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Are you suggesting that's a bad thing?
Just suggesting it's an interesting thing. I realize there's zero culpability here for anyone not associated with MSU.
You mean the pic of Daelin Hayes and the linked story mentioning Daelin Hayes and his mom is something about Daelin Hayes?


Nah, no clue.
Stellar commentary. The OP makes no mention of this, thus anyone who didn't read the article would have no clue since there was as nowntion of the player's name (that I'm aware of) in any of the previous posts mentioning this situation. But I'll be sure to run future posts by you to make sure they meet your requirements.

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Just suggesting it's an interesting thing. I realize there's zero culpability here for anyone not associated with MSU.Stellar commentary. The OP makes no mention of this, thus anyone who didn't read the article would have no clue since there was as nowntion of the player's name (that I'm aware of) in any of the previous posts mentioning this situation. But I'll be sure to run future posts by you to make sure they meet your requirements.

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Ahh, don't get all pissy because you're fuckin blind, lol

Everybody here does that. I do it all the damn time. It's funny.
 

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Eric Bieniemy turns down Colorado head coaching job. The ex-CU player seems to have been their first choice. They offered once and then once again. Steve Sarkisian turned them down to stay as Alabama OC.

Those who may still be in the running including Air Force HC Troy Calhoun, CU interim head coach Darrin Chiaverini and Bret Bielema.

CU was left holding the bag when MSU threw a huge amount of money at Tucker after Dantonio left when the Coaching Carousel was thought to be over, recruiting classes were complete, and spring practice is within sight.
 

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Couple of notes:

Ryan Bartow is now at Syracuse as New Director of High School Relations. Does anyone recall why he didn't work out at Oregon?

Texas is paying Yurcich $1.7M as OC. This is just over 12 months removed from leaving Okie State as OC to join Ohio State as passing game coordinator. His base salary at Okie State was $850K.

Butch Jones is now the Dwight Schrute to Saban....Special Assistant to the head coach.
 

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Karl Dorrell gets the CU job after spending most of the last 12 years coaching WR.

Really happy for this guy. 56 years old and he's got another P5 HC gig after being fired at UCLA with a winning record by the same A.D. that hired Steve Alford. By all accounts, Dorrell is a good guy. Glad he's getting a second chance. He probably should have gotten one a long time ago from a mid major.

Maybe I'm missing something. Bad guy? Any baggage? Maybe he doesn't interview well?

Bienemy was never going to CU. He's an NFL HC in waiting.
 

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Couple of notes:

Ryan Bartow is now at Syracuse as New Director of High School Relations. Does anyone recall why he didn't work out at Oregon?

Texas is paying Yurcich $1.7M as OC. This is just over 12 months removed from leaving Okie State as OC to join Ohio State as passing game coordinator. His base salary at Okie State was $850K.

Butch Jones is now the Dwight Schrute to Saban....Special Assistant to the head coach.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet

Mike Gundy is issuing a challenge to his college coaching colleagues.

It doesn't involve mullet growing, shirt removal or rattlesnake hunting. Other coaches can't compete with Gundy in those noble pursuits.

This challenge is directed at coaches pursuing new coordinators. The early signing date marks the start of the second wave of the coaching carousel, filled with coordinator hires.

Gundy's challenge boils down to this: Would any Power 5 coach conduct a coordinator search that begins on the internet, includes several phone calls to a football office where no one answers and ends in a Pennsylvania hotel lobby with a young Division II coach making $52,500 a year?

"No chance," Gundy told ESPN. "I don't care what people think. They can go fly a kite for all I care. Nah, most people aren't going to be strong enough in their own skin to say there's a guy at Division II wherever that's the best coach for a major Power 5 conference school that had been in the top five in offense year after year after year."

Gundy's pursuit and hiring of Mike Yurcich in 2013 to coordinate Oklahoma State's offense should at least make other coaches think before they target big-name assistants in the coming weeks. Oklahoma State leads the nation in passing and ranks third in scoring and second in total offense under Yurcich, a 2016 finalist for the Broyles Award, which goes to the top assistant in college football.

The Cowboys have had top-10 passing offenses in each of the past three seasons and produced four of the top-10 offenses in team history during his five-year tenure. Since the unknown coach from college football's Siberia came to Stillwater, Oklahoma State has averaged 474.1 yards and 38.1 points per game. The offense needs 204 yards and 327 passing yards against Virginia Tech in the Camping World Bowl on Thursday (5:15 p.m. ET, ESPN and ESPN App) to set team single-season records in both categories.

"Pretty humbling experience," Yurcich said. "It's very unique. It doesn't happen, and I've got to try to capitalize on the opportunity given."

When Gundy began searching for an offensive coordinator after the 2012 season, he sought two qualities: talent and anonymity. He was tired of losing assistants.

Todd Monken had left for the Southern Miss head-coaching job after two record-setting seasons with Oklahoma State. Monken followed Dana Holgorsen, who spent the 2010 season as the Pokes' OC before taking the West Virginia job. Since becoming Oklahoma State's coach in 2005, Gundy had only one offensive coordinator last longer than two years -- Larry Fedora logged three seasons before becoming head coach at Southern Miss.

"I said, 'Forget this. I'm going to go find somebody that nobody will want for a while,'" Gundy said. "And I got lucky, and it worked out great for us, and it solved and/or ended the issue I was concerned about."

Under coordinator Mike Yurcich, Oklahoma State leads the nation in passing and ranks third in scoring and second in total offense. Bruce Waterfield/OSU Athletics
Gundy went online and looked up offenses that excelled both with rushing and passing numbers. He then narrowed the search to no-huddle, tempo-based offenses similar to Oklahoma State's. Next, he found coordinators who also coached quarterbacks. The last step, the trickiest, was identifying lesser-known coaches who might stick around even after successful seasons.

Starting at the FBS level, Gundy worked his way to Shippensburg University, a Division II program in south central Pennsylvania. Under Yurcich, Shippensburg had led Division II in offense (529.2 yards per game) and ranked second in scoring (46.9 PPG) in 2012, a year after shattering team records for scoring and yards.

Gundy had numbers but no video, and tracking down the person who handled Shippensburg's film wasn't easy. "He was a fireman and [was] teaching class," Gundy recalled. Oklahoma State eventually got three games sent its way as part of a film exchange, and Gundy liked what he saw.

The next challenge: finding Yurcich.

"You called the office and nobody answered," Gundy said. "It essentially was recordings, and I kept trying. Finally somebody answered -- I don't know who it was, maybe somebody who worked there and walked by and grabbed the phone -- and they said, 'He's gone recruiting,' or something. And I said, 'Well, how do I run him down?'"

Gundy finally connected with the Raiders' offensive coordinator and arranged a meeting at a hotel near where he would be recruiting. On a cold, snowy day early in 2013, the two men met and talked ball for three hours. Gundy did some vetting, talking with Shippensburg coach Mark Maciejewski, but knew he had his man.

"That doesn't happen every day," Maciejewski said. "It was a unique situation and very fortunate for him. At first, it was like, 'Wow, that's amazing.' But then, as time goes on, you sit back and you see there's a reason [Gundy] wanted him."

The next day, Gundy called.

"Mike, here's the deal," he told Yurcich. "I'm going to offer you the job, and I have a three-year contract that pays $400,000 a year."

Silence. Three seconds, four, five, six ... Gundy worried that Yurcich had been caught in a snowstorm.

"Are you there?" he asked.

"Yessir."

"Well, do you need to talk to your wife?"

"I don't need to talk to anybody."

In hindsight, Gundy admits he didn't appreciate what that moment meant to a coach making $52,500 a year who had played Division II ball, started coaching at the NAIA level and had spent just two years in the FBS, as a graduate assistant at Indiana. Gundy was offering the standard contract for an Oklahoma State offensive coordinator.


But Yurcich wasn't the standard candidate.

"I wasn't going to pay him less because he was from Shippensburg," Gundy said, pronouncing the school Shippings Burg. "But I didn't even think about, when I said it, he's probably saying in his mind, 'Holy s---, are you kidding me?' Compared to what he had."

Oklahoma State announced Yurcich's hiring about a month before spring practice. The reaction, not surprisingly, was one of surprise. Gundy took heat. He received text messages from Oklahoma State power brokers asking if the hire was a joke, to which he replied: No, it's not a joke. He's the best coach. The doubting continued in Yurcich's second season as an offense plagued by quarterback injuries, a shuffling line and disciplinary issues finished seventh in the Big 12 in yards and points. Gundy heard how he needed to fire Yurcich, or he'd soon be pink-slipped.

Three years later, Oklahoma State's offense is surging under the leadership of a coach who, according to wide receiver Jalen McCleskey, teaches the game with creativity, patience and enthusiasm.

"Mike came in and Mike was like the movie 'Hoosiers,'" Gundy said. "He was the small school that made it to the state finals and had a chance to win. We've never talked about this, but I think he felt the pressure of being 'Hickory' in that, 'I'm a Division II guy, and I went from making $50,000 a year to $400,000 a year, and I'm trying to do it for all the little guys who never got this shot.'"

Yurcich occasionally tells Oklahoma State's players about his unique path to becoming their coach, reinforcing this message: Take nothing for granted.

"There always is that sense of urgency," Yurcich said. "It's that fear of losing, man, and getting outcoached or out-schemed. I always try to do right by [Gundy]. I feel like I owe him a whole bunch of gratitude. I just try to always work my ass off for him. It's never changed for me."

Gundy knows he won't be able to keep Yurcich much longer. Yurcich has been in the mix for recent head-coaching vacancies at Tulane and Kent State, as well as a coordinator spot at Auburn last year.

"Mike's going to be a head coach," Gundy said. "It's just a matter of time."

When Yurcich leaves, Gundy plans to search the lower divisions again. He believes some of the best football coaches work at high schools or small colleges. They either don't want the lifestyle challenges of working in the FBS, or they haven't had the chance to move up.

If he can find another Yurcich, both capable and loyal, he won't hesitate to hire him.

After Oklahoma State's success, will other coaches accept the Mike Gundy Coordinator-Finding Challenge? Gundy doesn't think so.

"Let me build a scenario for you," Gundy said. "It's the AD that hires everybody's favorite as the next head coach, because then, if the guy doesn't make it, he can say, 'Well, everybody wanted him. He was the logical choice, right?' You're not going to see very many coaches that have a gut feeling on a guy and hire a guy at Shippensburg, and have the fans or the administration patronizing you because you hired some guy [and] everybody thought you lost your mind.

"Most coaches aren't going to be like that."

Pretty good story about Yurcich from a few years back - he's come a long way financially. He coached me for a year and was a good guy. Glad it worked out for him.
 

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His ideas and thinking go far beyond various political movements that associated with some of his ideas. He played a seminal role in founding the fields of sociology and economics. Again he is one of the most important thinkers in human history. He’s right there with Aristotle, Socrates, Smith etc...equating him to the likes of. Sean Hannity is peak stupidity.

If you want to get into some pedantic argument about “success”, China since 1980 lifted almost a billion people out of poverty and has become one of the global economic engines. Currently the US is in complete meltdown mode and the capitalist economic model we have championed is destroying the entire planet and has destroyed numerous local economies in places like Flint and Youngstown. Cuba has a fantastic medical system given the size of the economy and the size of the country and Cubans have a longer life expectancy than those in the US. It seems there might be some lessons on “success” and failure to be found in Marx’s works.

I’m not championing a Marxist system per se but I’d recommend re-reading Das Capital.

China built its economy by paying penny wages to its workers and they still do. What's working well for China is the strict control with a threat of imprisonment or death for failure to abide by these rules. Our economy isn't in meltdown. It's struggling right now do to the Chinese failures to be open about COVID, but our economy will rebound. Flint and Youngstown's problems can be traced back to two things, the auto industry, primarily the unions demands that sent the cost of cars through the roof and the failure of local government to rely solely on the auto industry.

I don't know about Cuba's health care, but their economy and unemployment isn't great.

From Ernesto Hernández-Catá
January 2019
For presentation at the Conference of the American Economic
Association.
Atlanta, Georgia, January 2019.

For many years, Cuba’s official unemployment rate (ONEI) has been remarkably
low in comparison with other countries, including all those in Latin America. This has
sometimes been attributed to cheating by authorities eager to show a good economic
performance, particularly in the social area. But the low levels of unemployment reported
by ONEI are unlikely to result from statistical manipulation.
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In fact, they are most
probably a truthful reflection of what they are advertised to be: the number of jobless
people actively looking for a job, in other words open unemployment.
But if there is no cheating, why is it the official unemployment rate is so low by
international standards? And why is it so low even in periods where domestic economic
conditions are extremely weak, like the early 1990’s? The explanation suggested in this
article is that, given the peculiar characteristics of the Cuban economy, the
conventionally defined unemployment rate is a very bad indicator of labor market
conditions because: (i) it fails to take into account disguised unemployment, which has
been very high at times and also highly; and (ii) it fails to include discouraged workers
which in Cuba (and elsewhere) are normally excluded from open unemployment.
 

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China built its economy by paying penny wages to its workers and they still do. What's working well for China is the strict control with a threat of imprisonment or death for failure to abide by these rules. Our economy isn't in meltdown. It's struggling right now do to the Chinese failures to be open about COVID, but our economy will rebound. Flint and Youngstown's problems can be traced back to two things, the auto industry, primarily the unions demands that sent the cost of cars through the roof and the failure of local government to rely solely on the auto industry.

I don't know about Cuba's health care, but their economy and unemployment isn't great.

From Ernesto Hernández-Catá
January 2019
For presentation at the Conference of the American Economic
Association.
Atlanta, Georgia, January 2019.

How is this any different from slavery? Pennies qualify as paid labor? Where is good 'Ole Abe when you need him?


It almost feels calculated, doesn't it? Chinese are not a fan of Trump for exposing them - so let's release our virus during an election year...


Thank you for calling out the unions. There was a time and place in the labor world when it was necessary...not today. Give an inch, take a mile mentality has ran industry out of town leading to those city's downfall. It's really not that hard to understand.
 

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How is this any different from slavery? Pennies qualify as paid labor? Where is good 'Ole Abe when you need him?


It almost feels calculated, doesn't it? Chinese are not a fan of Trump for exposing them - so let's release our virus during an election year...


Thank you for calling out the unions. There was a time and place in the labor world when it was necessary...not today. Give an inch, take a mile mentality has ran industry out of town leading to those city's downfall. It's really not that hard to understand.

Why do unions always get all the blame when there are two sides signing the contract? I’d say the management side made quite a few blunders themselves, including designing inferior cars.
 

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Why do unions always get all the blame when there are two sides signing the contract? I’d say the management side made quite a few blunders themselves, including designing inferior cars.

That is the thing, and thank you for furthering the point. The employment side has gave, gave, and gave until financially it makes no business sense anymore. So they didn't sign the again, and took their employment elsewhere.
 

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coaching carousel 2019 has become the new politics thread

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I guess this is a good point. I will create a new thread just for this topic and put it in our politics forum.
 

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I guess this is a good point. I will create a new thread just for this topic and put it in our politics forum.

You serious, Clark? I don't even know how to get to the political section of this platform.
 

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If we're going to continue down this route of blaming and condemning people from the past, let's just remove any reference to Adam & Eve and be done with it.

They just torn down a 3 foot by 3 foot plaque in our county because the local NAACP was offered and they protested til they got the there way. 2 day later the city its located is changing a street name from. Broad St to BLM BLVD. It just goes to show you how stupid this world and people are right now.
 

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You serious, Clark? I don't even know how to get to the political section of this platform.


Yes, I moved the ones specifically about the OAN shirt fiasco to their own thread.


If you want to get to that thread, click "Forums" at the top of the website and under the "Leprechaun Lounge" you will see the "Political Threads". It will be in there.


Also if one of your posts were moved, you will still see the thread pop up in your "User CP" also at the top of the website when new posts are made.
 

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I have also moved the Kellen Mond posts to their own thread. Not sure where to move these ones about China(?) when I was marking the posts to be moved I didn't see how that got brought up but I do not see how it was related to anything else in this thread.
 

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Also they named a street BLM Blvd or MLK Jr. Blvd? Haven't heard of anyone trying to name streets after Black Lives Matter but almost any city in the country with a significant black population has a Martin Luther King Jr Blvd.


I should point out that I realize that IrishFF put BLM, but I am just wondering if it was a typo or he misread.

You just cleaned the thread bro haha
 

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I have also moved the Kellen Mond posts to their own thread. Not sure where to move these ones about China(?) when I was marking the posts to be moved I didn't see how that got brought up but I do not see how it was related to anything else in this thread.

Gundy defected to China?!?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shout out to Mike Norvell and the FSU football sports information folks. I just counted it up: Since preseason camp started we've talked to 41 different players (including freshmen!!), every assistant coach, every coordinator multiple times and Norvell 16 times.</p>— Corey Clark (@Corey_Clark) <a href="https://twitter.com/Corey_Clark/status/1298298595549032448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

interesting openness from inside the FSU program by Norvell considering what went on early in the Covid testing there
 

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No one has a tougher road in 2020 than Eli Drinkwitz at Missouri.

First year coach taking over a program that doesn't belong in the SEC, no spring ball, and SEC only schedule didn't do them any favors. God bless.
 

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No one has a tougher road in 2020 than Eli Drinkwitz at Missouri.

First year coach taking over a program that doesn't belong in the SEC, no spring ball, and SEC only schedule didn't do them any favors. God bless.

He's well paid to take those beatings. lol
 

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No one has a tougher road in 2020 than Eli Drinkwitz at Missouri.

First year coach taking over a program that doesn't belong in the SEC, no spring ball, and SEC only schedule didn't do them any favors. God bless.

Arkansas in same boat. They'd have been better off with no season and extra time to prepare/practice tbh
 

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Arkansas in same boat. They'd have been better off with no season and extra time to prepare/practice tbh

It wasn't really going to make much difference either way with Arky. Their season is going to be a long series of beatings no matter what they do.
 

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No one has a tougher road in 2020 than Eli Drinkwitz at Missouri.

First year coach taking over a program that doesn't belong in the SEC, no spring ball, and SEC only schedule didn't do them any favors. God bless.

I'd love to see Nebraska and Mizzou head back to the Big XII where they belong, but I doubt we will see that happen.
 

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Notre Dame player personnel analyst Nik Valdiserri has joined the Bowling Green staff as director of player personnel.

UC gave Luke Fickell new paper. Extension to 2026 and a raise from $2.4M to $3.4M. Probably means his buyout went up too.
 

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Notre Dame player personnel analyst Nik Valdiserri has joined the Bowling Green staff as director of player personnel.

UC gave Luke Fickell new paper. Extension to 2026 and a raise from $2.4M to $3.4M. Probably means his buyout went up too.

If Fickell has another really good year or two, I doubt he is around to see the extension play out. Still, that's not chump change for coaching Cinci.
 

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If Fickell has another really good year or two, I doubt he is around to see the extension play out. Still, that's not chump change for coaching Cinci.

I assume he has an out clause for Ohio State if they were to ever express interest in him. I wonder who else he would consider if they came and wanted to talk. Maybe for now he is happy there and will wait for Ryan Day to eventually step out.

Really depends on his ambitions. He held down the fort that year in Columbus between Tressel going out and Meyer going in. I always liked him as a college player and I thought he was a good assistant coach. Sounded like Meyer gave him a hard time, which is why Mike Vrabel nearly choked out Good Ol' Urban.
 

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Every year we get into the topic of "best college jobs" and "best college coaches" in the country. It's a fun topic.

Am I the only guy here who didn't know Gary Patterson is getting paid $6 million a year at freakin TCU?! I don't think he's a top 10 coach, but I think he has the best job in college football if you're talking salary compared to expectations.

He can be average or below average every year or two and apparently they're cool with it. Hat tip to that guy.
 

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Patterson made that program. If it weren't for him, they're def not in the Big 12. I've heard from TCU fans that he basically has the job for as long as he wants it.
 
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