Chicago White Sox... The thread.

[ozzman]

They definitely upgraded LF by signing Melky. Now we'll see who they can get for Tank. This offseason has been amazing so far.

 

[Wild Bill]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/white-sox-set-to-promote-top-pitching-prospect-carlos-rodon-133215415.html

Rough start. Hopefully we can get something going at home and Rodon can give us some quality innings.

 

[pumpdog20]

Ventura is clearly not the answer. We need Ozzie back.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Ventura is clearly not the answer. We need Ozzie back.

I'm not against it, but Ozzie seemed to have gone totally and utterly insane over the last few years in Chicago and his 1 year stint with the Flawda Mahlins.

 

[pumpdog20]

The last couple of years of the Ozzie regime had too many seasoned vets who didn't care for Ozzie's style.

This is a younger team, which fits Ozzie better.

 

[MacIrish75]

I really think we should've gone hard after Terry Francona. On a scale of Jerry Manuel to Ozzie Guillen, Robin rates somewhere around a Gene Lamont. Which is to say, he has a little more passion than your average monk, but not by much.

Rodon needs fast-tracked into the rotation and Johnny Danks needs to be axed. The bats will come around and I'm confident in the 'pen. But we can't dig ourselves such a huge hole with DET and KC rolling out of the gates.

 

[ozzman]

And that's a white sox winner!

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

What a comeback!
Hopefully this sparks a streak!

 

[Crazy Balki]

What a comeback!
Hopefully this sparks a streak!

Perhaps Francona wasn't the answer, seems like the wigwam faithful are blasting him for leaving Allen out there to get roasted in the 9th. Ventura has A LOT of ground to cover though if he wishes to get out of this season employed.

 

[BobbyMac]

The boys scored 4 in the bottom of the 9th for the 4-3 win over the Tribe... WITHOUT a HR. I like it!

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[Crazy Balki]

The boys scored 4 in the bottom of the 9th for the 4-3 win over the Tribe... WITHOUT a HR. I like it!

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OBP is finally starting to kick in. Guys that should be getting on base are now. But the rotation has sorely disappointed. Q and Shark have fallen below expectations and Danks/Noesi have somehow been worse than expected. Need to see MASSIVE improvement from the 2-5 in the rotation. Really disappointed with the starters minus Sale so far.

 

[Southside Sully]

OBP is finally starting to kick in. Guys that should be getting on base are now. But the rotation has sorely disappointed. Q and Shark have fallen below expectations and Danks/Noesi have somehow been worse than expected. Need to see MASSIVE improvement from the 2-5 in the rotation. Really disappointed with the starters minus Sale so far.

Disagree about Shark. His last start he gave up 1 run in 8ip and the game was lost on a blown call
At 2nd. Id take a 1-1 game between shark and price all day he is fine and pitched a gem. Quintana will come around, danks has actually pitched better than the scores have shown, and Rodon got called up. 3 times through the rotation after tomorrow they are progressing. It's 15 games in to a 162 marathon. I'm fully confident in this staff. Also Robertson and Duke so far pitching as well as advertised.

 

[Southside Sully]

Shark also has pitched more innings each outing then the previous while having less earned runs against each outing and more Ks each outing than the prior
Start as well.

 

[Crazy Balki]

...Ventura needs to be fired yesterday. Just an absolutely pathetic display and it's squarely on him. It takes a special kind of horrible managing to take that talent and give such a piss poor performance. I am ashamed to be a Sox fan.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Chicago White Sox... The thread.

...Ventura needs to be fired yesterday. Just an absolutely pathetic display and it's squarely on him. It takes a special kind of horrible managing to take that talent and give such a piss poor performance. I am ashamed to be a Sox fan.

Yep. I love that the Hawks have been making deep playoff runs, it delays the misery of watching the Sox an extra few months. There really isn't an end in sight either. They are going to suck major ass for the foreseeable future.

 

[Wild Bill]

Yep. I love that the Hawks have been making deep playoff runs, it delays the misery of watching the Sox an extra few months. There really isn't an end in sight either. They are going to suck major ass for the foreseeable future.

I don't know, man. Sale is only 26 and Rodon can toss the ball around. If he develops that's a nasty 1 2 punch. Who the hell knows how old Abreu is but let's just assume he's 28 and can build around him. Fire Robin and move forward.

 

[GBdomer]

Fck dis god damn team and fck Robin Ventura

Chirs Sale you keep doing you

 

[Crazy Balki]

Losses continue to mount up. Come on Hahn, fire this clown!

 

[pumpdog20]

It's unbelievable that he can't win with this lineup. I'll keep banging the drum, but bring back Ozzie.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Okay, let's look past the fact that the White Sox are an unholy abomination of suck, and Robin Ventura is the worst manager in sports period.

With the Atlanta Braves moving to the new stadium in Cobb County, it makes me wonder (and I'm sure this has been discussed more than a few times), is it time for the White Sox to move from New Comiskey?

Granted, this seems unlikely to happen, as the stadium is actually quite nice and still rather new. However, New Comiskey has almost identical issues to Turner Field for the Braves. Location, location, location. Granted, the area around Shields and 35th isn't as bad as it used to be, or at least that's what I heard, but the transit to the stadium for a vast majority of Sox fans is a major chore. The Braves are moving from south Atlanta (which is a total dump), to Cobb County, arguably one of the nicest areas in metro Atlanta and much closer to the prominent Brave fanbase. So to the Southsiders that currently live there, would the idea of a new stadium be feasible and where would a good location be?

 

[Wild Bill]

Okay, let's look past the fact that the White Sox are an unholy abomination of suck, and Robin Ventura is the worst manager in sports period.

With the Atlanta Braves moving to the new stadium in Cobb County, it makes me wonder (and I'm sure this has been discussed more than a few times), is it time for the White Sox to move from New Comiskey?

Granted, this seems unlikely to happen, as the stadium is actually quite nice and still rather new. However, New Comiskey has almost identical issues to Turner Field for the Braves. Location, location, location. Granted, the area around Shields and 35th isn't as bad as it used to be, or at least that's what I heard, but the transit to the stadium for a vast majority of Sox fans is a major chore. The Braves are moving from south Atlanta (which is a total dump), to Cobb County, arguably one of the nicest areas in metro Atlanta and much closer to the prominent Brave fanbase. So to the Southsiders that currently live there, would the idea of a new stadium be feasible and where would a good location be?

The stadium is right off the Dan Ryan and red line. It's not a chore to get there at all.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Chicago White Sox... The thread.

New Comiskey is trapped in time. It was one of the first "new" stadiums, and what all following stadiums used as a blueprint for what NOT to do when building. Granted vast improvements have made through the years (most notably removing the HIDEOUS blue seats) it still has 2 huge things working against it:

1) No mystique of an old historic stadium
2) No "bells and whistles" of a true new stadium

*Jacobs Field and Camden Yards nailed what a new stadium should look like soon after

 

[ozzman]

New Comiskey is trapped in time. It was one of the first "new" stadiums, and what all following stadiums used as a blueprint for what NOT to do when building. Granted vast improvements have made through the years (most notably removing the HIDEOUS blue seats) it still has 2 huge things working against it:

1) No mystique of an old historic stadium
2) No "bells and whistles" of a true new stadium

*Jacobs Field and Camden Yards nailed what a new stadium should look like soon after

Winning solves everything with baseball attendance. White Sox fans support winners and will show up when the team on the field deserves to be watched in person. The changes they made with the US Cellular money have made it one of the better parks in the league. If Comiskular is trapped in time and the Jake is so awesome, why do the Sox average 5k more fans a game?

2015 MLB Attendance - Major League Baseball - ESPN

 

[kmoose]

If Comiskular is trapped in time and the Jake is so awesome, why do the Sox average 5k more fans a game?

2015 MLB Attendance - Major League Baseball - ESPN

To start off with, US Cellular holds 40,615, to Jacobs Field's (technically, Progressive Field, but it will always be The Jake to me) 36,675. Add to that there are about 2.7 million people in the city of Chicago, compared to about 400,000 in the city of Cleveland, and the answer becomes pretty obvious.

 

[theclassickiller]

To start off with, US Cellular holds 40,615, to Jacobs Field's (technically, Progressive Field, but it will always be The Jake to me) 36,675. Add to that there are about 2.7 million people in the city of Chicago, compared to about 400,000 in the city of Cleveland, and the answer becomes pretty obvious.

I don't buy it. First off, the Sox are the third most popular team during the first half of the season. Cubs, Hawks, Sox. Every now and then you can pepper the Bulls in there, making the Sox fourth. The Indians were second, but now they're definitely first. Behind watching aOSU replays on VHS, of course. Secondly, there is quite literally five-hundred million times more to do in Chicago than Cleveland. Literally. It's Ohio, I'm there all the time, it sucks. It has always sucked and will always suck. There's nothing to do in Cleveland but watch the Indians and stand around saying "O-H," while actually making the shape of "O, U, A, O" or "i, H, I, i" whichever way you look at it. This is all completely factual information, no I don't have proof, but who needs it. Thirdly, the Indians are super-slightly-marginally better than the Sox, so there's that too. Fourthly, this picture:

Come on aOSU fans, pick either the arms or the body. You can't just pick and choose depending on what letter you want to make. And if you're going to be the H, don't be a Y. Put forth some effort. Open the legs, that makes an H. For goodness sake, the first O (or i, whichever way you see it) has her legs apart, she's a better H than you are. Typical. Also, just don't do any of the above, it's totally douchey.

 

[ACamp1900]

There is more to attendance than the stadium... as an outside observer and baseball nut Cleveland clearly has the better ballpark... that's not to say the new Comisk is some dump though... just my opinion.

Also, wouldn't the Indians be second to the Browns in the city of Cleveland in any random year? And the most popular team in Chi Town is the Bears correct? then the Cubs?

 

[theclassickiller]

There is more to attendance than the stadium... as an outside observer and baseball nut Cleveland clearly has the better ballpark... that's not to say the new Comisk is some dump though... just my opinion.

Also, wouldn't the Indians be second to the Browns in the city of Cleveland in any random year? And the most popular team in Chi Town is the Bears correct? then the Cubs?

I mean during the season. I'm sure you're right. I was just spouting hatred. Factual hatred, however. I suppose if the Sox or Indians ended up in the post-season then they would overlap more with the NFL teams.

 

[ACamp1900]

Gotcha, I just remember tying sports team popularity data into an assignment for my masters degree some years ago so you're comments stuck that... and I remember Chicago is/was owned by the Bears by a pretty wide margin... oddly, the only market in the country where you can/could make the case that the basketball team is 'the team' is Los Angeles. The NHL teams were just as 'strongly supported' locally as most NBA teams.

At least that's what I found about five/six years ago or so... anyway, I digress.

 

[theclassickiller]

I recall some article from many years ago about the two Chicago baseball teams and their respective popularity. The Cubs were far and away the most popular team when polled, but the two most popular players were Mark Buehrle and Paul Konerko.

This may have something to do with the argument that has been made many times in this thread: Cubs fans know nothing about baseball and probably can't name two players on their team if asked. I don't doubt that 75% of the answers to the favorite player came from Sox fans and Cubs fans said "beer" or "Wrigley?" or something of the like.

 

[ACamp1900]

I know this much, while you sox and tribe fans fight over last place and who has the shittier stadium, my Halos are straight killin the ball, and opponents, and are making a push for first place.... yesir!