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Crazy Balki

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Holy shit, this is weak. Outscored 24-3 in the second half but yeah, it was the refs. FFS. It was a choke job that the Bears had chances to win. They fell apart. Nothing to do with the refs. Just a piss poor performance by the Bears in the second half.

Sorry, but I call it how I see it. Nagy's playcalling and the effort from the DB's in the second half was terrible, but the Bears DL was being held that entire second half and it was not subtle. Yet, not a single hold was called. Not one. I think they had 2 penalties in total in the second half, one for a false start and the other that grounding by Rodgers when there wasn't a receiver within a country mile.

I'm rightly pissed because the Bears defensive front dominated them from start to finish, only to have their effort go unrewarded, because of horrible offensive playcalling, a defensive back dropping one of the easiest picks I've ever seen and yes, officiating. This isn't exactly the first time this has happened. It's just one of few things that swayed a close contest out of favor.

I'm definitely far from the only one who thought this.
 

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A lot of positives to take away from that game last night if you're Chicago. Losing to that team in that fashion sucks, yes, but it came down to a rookie HC and young QB at Lambeau against McCarthy and Pettine in the second half.

Rodgers doesn't have Brady's Super Bowls, but holy hell is he good.
 

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despite the insane ending and loss Bears fans should be optimistic for the future; that defense has potential to be special if they can figure it all out.

Fuller UGH!!
 

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I'm getting Pete Bercich 1993 vibe on Kyle Fuller here.

It's 3rd and 1. Run that fucker twice and the game is over.
 

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Had to make some Mack memes:

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Am I the only one that think the Seachickens have next to no shot?

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Am I the only one that think the Seachickens have next to no shot?

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IMO they definitely have a shot, but dont think they will win.

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Need your defense to give me 20 points for the win tonight. Go bears D!
 

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Khalil Mack talking with a voice like early 80s Arnold is a picture that almost broke my mind....
 

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The defense is the truth....when they're not playing against hurry-up.

Mitch played better, despite the constant b*tching from the CCS cesspool. Still had a bad pick (the other one wasn't his fault), and I'd like for him to go for more than 200 passing, but still did enough.

Mack, what's left for there to say? The dude is showing why he's the best defensive player in the league.
 

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OK - that defense was fun to watch. I mocked the Mack trade but damn that guy is good. Sporting a kick ass defense is something that town can rally behind and get excited. At the same point - Seattle is a bit of a hot mess on offense. Time will tell if they can afford it all or if they sold the future for Mack.

Not impressed with Chicago's offense one bit but what else is new.
 

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I stopped caring about the day to day goings on of the Bears when they moved up to get Mitch Biscuits but 2 firsts for Mack and a second is straight up pillaging when the Bears win 10+. First time I ever jumped off the Halas Wagon but I'm back on now. I thought the Biscuits deal was a death sentence but I was thankfully wrong.
 
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I stopped caring about the day to day goings on of the Bears when they moved up to get Mitch Biscuits but 2 firsts for Mack and a second is straight up pillaging when the Bears win 10+. First time I ever jumped off the Halas Wagon but I'm back on now. I thought the Biscuits deal was a death sentence but I was thankfully wrong.

I was openly pondering this last night while watching the game and processing the energy and such around the Bears:

I don't know how to even feel when other suffering bases/teams show signs of life in the NFL. I was happy the Eagles beat the pats but also very aware that's one more "Never won the Super Bowl" team off the list. It should have been fun watching the Bears have a nice moment last night. I should have been happy for my Seahawk fan sister when the team she suffered with her whole life won a Super Bowl... Rams, Bucs, Eagles, each time one of these teams has won a Super Bowl over the years I can't help but think, "man, they won one before the Browns too??" For a small part of me each of these were nice to see... but... Being totally honest here, I'm more bitter over all these things than anything. It's like the majority of my football fan self wants nothing but abject misery for everyone else until the Browns get good again. About five/six years ago I hardly paid attention to the NFL due to this stuff... I prob should have fought to stay in that mode.
 
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OK - that defense was fun to watch. I mocked the Mack trade but damn that guy is good. Sporting a kick ass defense is something that town can rally behind and get excited. At the same point - Seattle is a bit of a hot mess on offense. Time will tell if they can afford it all or if they sold the future for Mack.

Not impressed with Chicago's offense one bit but what else is new.

That was a straight up gangster trade. Plus you know the Bears were just going to waste the picks anyways.
 

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I stopped caring about the day to day goings on of the Bears when they moved up to get Mitch Biscuits but 2 firsts for Mack and a second is straight up pillaging when the Bears win 10+. First time I ever jumped off the Halas Wagon but I'm back on now. I thought the Biscuits deal was a death sentence but I was thankfully wrong.

I hear ya, 110%. I watched next to nothing last year after disowning the Bears in the 2017 draft. So many holes and such a suspect QB pick. On the surface of the Mack trade I couldn't believe they gave up so much draft capital and burdened their team with such a massive contract. Mainly watched last night b/c my FFB opponent had Howard, Burton and Wilson needing 36 points to beat me. That defense was fun to watch, man. And Mack puts them over the top. Almost enough to bring me back in. Still have that feeling they sold the future - all those draft picks gone and so little cap space to fill in free agents they will invariably need.
 

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I'm back baby!!!

I was with Crusader and RDU after the 2017 draft. That was the last straw for me. I think i watched less than 5 minutes of Bears football last season.

But guys, this Bears defense is for real. I'm so pumped about it that I bought a Mack jersey today. I'm not a big jersey person, but he's a must have. IF they can get Mitch to play decent football, this team might go places sooner rather than later.

I have Bears D/ST in FF too. So beautiful!
 

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The Raiders made a really big mistake. Funny how it took Mack getting traded for a lot of people to fully appreciate how good he is. Maybe it was playing on the West Coast or people just not really knowing, but they know now.

That's two prime time national games he's gotten to play in now. Secret is out.

From what I recall in that draft, a lot of teams liked Trubisky a lot. Only one gets to be saddled with getting it right with him now, and that's the Bears. This dude hasn't really played in a lot of games, which is concerning, but he looks like he could be good enough to get them somewhere with a defense like the one they have right now. Often that's all you need in the NFL. Plus, they're not letting QBs get breathed on now, which can only help him.

If you look at Greg Cosell's scouting report on the kid and what we've seen of him so far in the last two weeks, it's pretty spot on. There is work to do with the kid, but not all hope should be lost just yet.
 

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The Raiders made a really big mistake. Funny how it took Mack getting traded for a lot of people to fully appreciate how good he is. Maybe it was playing on the West Coast or people just not really knowing, but they know now.

That's two prime time national games he's gotten to play in now. Secret is out.

From what I recall in that draft, a lot of teams liked Trubisky a lot. Only one gets to be saddled with getting it right with him now, and that's the Bears. This dude hasn't really played in a lot of games, which is concerning, but he looks like he could be good enough to get them somewhere with a defense like the one they have right now. Often that's all you need in the NFL. Plus, they're not letting QBs get breathed on now, which can only help him.

If you look at Greg Cosell's scouting report on the kid and what we've seen of him so far in the last two weeks, it's pretty spot on. There is work to do with the kid, but not all hope should be lost just yet.

The biggest thing is that he has talent around him on defense now, so even when he pressures the QB, somebody is there with the cleanup sack. He was always a beast in Oakland, but Mack was basically doing it by himself. And he STILL won DPOY & was 1st Team All-Pro at 2 positions in the same year! Top 2/3 pass rushers aren't available, period. It was crazy that the Bears could sign Julius Peppers when he was 30, Khalil Mack is 27 and locked up for 7 seasons (including this one)
 

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The Raiders made a really big mistake. Funny how it took Mack getting traded for a lot of people to fully appreciate how good he is. Maybe it was playing on the West Coast or people just not really knowing, but they know now.

That's two prime time national games he's gotten to play in now. Secret is out.

From what I recall in that draft, a lot of teams liked Trubisky a lot. Only one gets to be saddled with getting it right with him now, and that's the Bears. This dude hasn't really played in a lot of games, which is concerning, but he looks like he could be good enough to get them somewhere with a defense like the one they have right now. Often that's all you need in the NFL. Plus, they're not letting QBs get breathed on now, which can only help him.

If you look at Greg Cosell's scouting report on the kid and what we've seen of him so far in the last two weeks, it's pretty spot on. There is work to do with the kid, but not all hope should be lost just yet.

The stupidity of the Biscuit move is in the inability of the organization to do anything with the QB position for decades. Now they expect to the right guy is going to overcome all of their offensive shortcomings? Its like they want to be the Browns or something. They didn't need to take that risk - get a higher probability dominant player at #3 and keep your draft capital for other myriad needs. IMO - he will be a lesser NFL QB than Mahomes and Watson, they picked the worst of the three and moved up (bidding against themselves) to do it. Perfect year to drop down and still get a good QB prospect instead they do the opposite

The Mack move is going back to your roots and building a dominant defense. He makes everyone else on that line better too - entire D for that matter. My issue is I think they can build a great D from the draft and need that cap space for buying established offensive players.

From there you cobble together a serviceable offense. Start with a dominant OL and a running game and you will have FA QBs interested in playing for you. Why try to teach someone on the job when you have exhibited zero proficiency in QB development or just recognizing talent in that position for that matter? Look back at Chicago first round picks and recognize where they hit more than they miss.

1995 #21 overall Rashaan Salaam - bust RB
1996 #13 Walt Harris - stud DB
1997 no pick traded #11 for Rick Mirer - bust going for a QB
1998 #5 Hurt'is Penis - RB bust
1999 #12 Cade McNown - bust QB
2000 #9 Brian Urlacher - all world LB
2001 #8 David Terrell - bust WR and F Michigan
2002 #29 Marc Colombo - T bust injury bug then resurrected at a Cowboys
2003 #22 Rex Grossman - QB bust
2004 #14 Tommie Harris - DT stud
2005 #4 Cedric Benson - RB bust
2006 #26 traded to Bills for #42 & #72 overall
2007 #31 Greg Olsen - TE stud
2008 #14 Chris Williams - OT bust
2009 #18 Trade with 2010 (plus Kyle Orton and 2009 3rd round pick) to Broncos for Jay Cutler
2010 #11 Cutty trade - Expensive QB move but he wasn't a bust
2011 #29 Gabe Carimi - OT
2012 #19 Shea McClellin - DE
2013 #20 Kyle Long - OT
2014 #14 Kyle Fuller - DB stud
2015 #7 Kevin White - WR bust but could blame injury
2016 #9 Leonard Floyd - LB
2017 #2 Mitchell Trubisky - TBD
2018 #8 Roquan Smith - LB

8 defensive players and 13 offensive players drafted with three more picks thrown at QB fixes. Essentially 2:1 offense drafted over defense with next to nothing to show for it beyond some OL talent, Greg Olsen and Jay Cutler - maybe a 35% hit rate if you credit for Cutler. On defense they hit Urlacher out of the park, Harris x 2, Fuller and Floyd for 62.5% right there and easy to see 75% with Smith TBD.

Why not stick to your draft proficiency and trade off some of that defense for established offensive players? As harsh as I was at the time on the Cutler trade - it looks better than them trying to pick a QB themselves in retrospect. As flaky and expensive as he is/was he is still the best QB we saw for decades.
 

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It's not like Mack was some hidden gem and what he has done is super surprising... every football mind on the planet not named John Gruden knew he was a generational talent.
 

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When the Bears drafted Cade McNown, their current GM was busy being Tony Romo's teammate in college. He's tied to his current guy, not the last 25 years. It's only fair.

I understand the franchise's draft history, but if the current front office is even thinking about that one iota, they're dead. That's media and fan stuff. This current front office should be afforded the opportunity to try and get this going. They are now in Year Four? Starting to get to the point that they need to start being good.

If people are up or down about Trubisky, it's their right to consume their football how they choose. I don't know that we're seeing a finished article yet, so I can't label it yet based on the sample size. I suppose it's like porn...we will know it when we see it. He may not go to Canton, but maybe he's not Cade McNown or Rex Grossman either.

Matt Nagy seems like a sharp guy. Jury still out on the GM, but his clock is ticking now. One way or another, they're all tied to this QB. They will go as Trubisky goes.

I honestly knew nothing about the kid when he was in college. I'd have probably gone with Watson myself, in hindsight. All time leading passer in Georgia HS history and a National Champion at Clemson.
 
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From my outside perspective he looks better than I thought he'd be... agree with Rouge on the history topic too. That stuff drives me nuts about the Browns, "They'll just screw it up like they did ____"... that wasn't the current leadership, STFU and let's see what happens.
 

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The offense is without a doubt a work in progress, which is why having an elite defense can carry you while you develop your guy and get things into sync.

Nagy may eventually have to give up play calling and be the head coach, which is his primary job, but right now there isn't any reason why the Bears can't set their sights on getting results ala the 2017 L.A. Rams. Lots of people wrote off Goff after 2016. He got a new HC and a full season in 2017, and it fell into place for them.
 

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Keep in mind, last year he had terrible receiving corp that was replaced totally besides the RB's this offseason. They have only been working together for less than 6 months.. Robinson even less. First year offense, lot of free agents.. Patience is a virtue. But please do not hesitate to establish that run to set up play action. Gotta feed 24 that rock.
 
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