BVG Fired

[zelezo vlk]

Bring back Kerry Cooks? Though I imagine that bridge is burned.

 

[IrishLax]

Bring back Kerry Cooks? Though I imagine that bridge is burned.

He's 40% responsible for the recruiting holes we've had on defense, so no. Absolutely fucking not.

 

[WestCoast]

He's 40% responsible for the recruiting holes we've had on defense, so no. Absolutely #@!&% not.

So Kerry doesn'tCooks for you?

 

[zelezo vlk]

He's 40% responsible for the recruiting holes we've had on defense, so no. Absolutely fucking not.

Yeah...

 

[Southside Sully]

Interesting list here for potential DCs?

College coaches on the hotseat at midseason

 

[CIrishWin]

He's 40% responsible for the recruiting holes we've had on defense, so no. Absolutely fucking not.

100% agree

 

[Irish#1]

If Kelly is here next year I would like to see a shake up in his staff beyond just the DC. Like others, Longo and Booker would be two I wouldn't mind being replaced. Maybe he can get some of his assistants back from Urban...jk. But it would be nice to have a staff with a proven DC. Coombs as the DB/SPT Co..Alford coaching the receivers(although he's a RB coach he did coach receivers/slots for a couple years) Denbrock at TE, Ed W. at OL and Sanford calling the plays. We could dream right?

Wouldn't mind seeing Longo replaced.

 

[tko]

Wouldn't mind seeing Longo replaced.

Never, tops the list in the "buddy" system

 

[BGIF]

Wouldn't mind seeing Longo replaced.

It's a time honored tradition for ND internet fans to praise the newest S&C coach hire and then call for his head as missed tackles, wrong angles, missed blocks, fumbles, and dropped passes were his deemed his responsibility.

Every ND S&C since Kirk Woolfolk has been blamed for ND's demise. Woolfolk was S&C for Holtz, '95-'97. After ND, he went to Navy and sculpted the team that ended the 43 game winning streak. He's still at Navy.

Mickey Marotti was blamed by ND fans as a prime resason for the "lack of toughness", injuries, and other problems of the Davie/Willingham eras. When not rehired by ND when Weis became HC, he was quickly hired by Urban Meyer at UF and developed National Championship caliber players there. Today he does the same thing for Meyer at OSU.

I believe the strength staffs that Mickey has led have been the best staffs in college footbal. He is the best there is at developing physically and mentally tough football players

Urban Meyer

Ruben Mendoza was came to ND under Weis along with his former boss, David Cutcliffe. Mendoza had spent 4 years with Cut at Mississippi. He was cheered by ND fans as were Woolfolk and Mariotti before him ... and Paul Longo would be after replacing the Mendoza. And he was later jeered by the same ND posters in succeeding years. Remember "The Mendoza Lines" jokes (Not that Mendoza Line, .200 B.A., but ND's OLine and DLine trained by Ruben Mendoza.)

Now two decades later, Longo is responsible for ND's missed tackles, bad angles, missed blocking assignments, paucity of sacks, dropped passes, fumbles, wrong audibles, errant passes, play calling, injuries, and the catch all "lack of toughness" despite sending more players to the NFL his predecessors.

I never hear any ND fans comment about Jerry Schimdt. Who?

Holtz's S&C coach from '89-'95 and an ND assistant in '87-'88. But back in the mid 90's as Holtz W's started to decline (without Vinny Cerrato's recruits, but I digress) Schmidt drew the same heat that Woolfolk, Mariotti, Mendoza, and now Longo draws. Schmidt spent 4 year at UF and the last two decades at OU. When ND won 23 in a row it was Holtz. When ND slipped to 6-5 suddenly the team "lost toughness"


When the team doesn't win enough, it must be the strength coach.

Even when that same strength coach's team went undefeated.


Most all of the ND S&C coaches that left have done well elsewhere. They aren't the common denominator.

 

[BGIF]

Former DC back in the market

Former DC back in the market

Fresno St HC Tim DeRutyer was fired today. Fresno Pres says school with honor $3 million owed on contract.

Before DeRutyer became a HC he was DC at Ohio, Navy, Nevada, Air Force, and most recently at A&M 2010-2011.

He may not be the hot DC du jour but he available today, is a plane ride away, and like Kiffen is being paid well from a previous employer.

No idea if he's interested in a DC job permanently or as a placeholder nor how desirable his is on the wish list ... but he is available, now.

 

[Cackalacky]

It's a time honored tradition for ND internet fans to praise the newest S&C coach hire and then call for his head as missed tackles, wrong angles, missed blocks, fumbles, and dropped passes were his deemed his responsibility.

Every ND S&C since Kirk Woolfolk has been blamed for ND's demise. Woolfolk was S&C for Holtz, '95-'97. After ND, he went to Navy and sculpted the team that ended the 43 game winning streak. He's still at Navy.

Mickey Marotti was blamed by ND fans as a prime resason for the "lack of toughness", injuries, and other problems of the Davie/Willingham eras. When not rehired by ND when Weis became HC, he was quickly hired by Urban Meyer at UF and developed National Championship caliber players there. Today he does the same thing for Meyer at OSU.

Urban Meyer

Ruben Mendoza was came to ND under Weis along with his former boss, David Cutcliffe. Mendoza had spent 4 years with Cut at Mississippi. He was cheered by ND fans as were Woolfolk and Mariotti before him ... and Paul Longo would be after replacing the Mendoza. And he was later jeered by the same ND posters in succeeding years. Remember "The Mendoza Lines" jokes (Not that Mendoza Line, .200 B.A., but ND's OLine and DLine trained by Ruben Mendoza.)

Now two decades later, Longo is responsible for ND's missed tackles, bad angles, missed blocking assignments, paucity of sacks, dropped passes, fumbles, wrong audibles, errant passes, play calling, injuries, and the catch all "lack of toughness" despite sending more players to the NFL his predecessors.

I never hear any ND fans comment about Jerry Schimdt. Who?

Holtz's S&C coach from '89-'95 and an ND assistant in '87-'88. But back in the mid 90's as Holtz W's started to decline (without Vinny Cerrato's recruits, but I digress) Schmidt drew the same heat that Woolfolk, Mariotti, Mendoza, and now Longo draws. Schmidt spent 4 year at UF and the last two decades at OU. When ND won 23 in a row it was Holtz. When ND slipped to 6-5 suddenly the team "lost toughness"


When the team doesn't win enough, it must be the strength coach.

Even when that same strength coach's team went undefeated.


Most all of the ND S&C coaches that left have done well elsewhere. They aren't the common denominator.

We Are Slow, Longo Must Go

 

[Irish#1]

It's a time honored tradition for ND internet fans to praise the newest S&C coach hire and then call for his head as missed tackles, wrong angles, missed blocks, fumbles, and dropped passes were his deemed his responsibility.


When the team doesn't win enough, it must be the strength coach.

Even when that same strength coach's team went undefeated.


Most all of the ND S&C coaches that left have done well elsewhere. They aren't the common denominator.

I've actually been behind Longo until this year when mediocre lines (both sides) are pushing us around. Obviously mental toughness is also a result of what the other coaches contribute as well.

 

[BeauBenken]

Fresno St HC Tim DeRutyer was fired today. Fresno Pres says school with honor $3 million owed on contract.

Before DeRutyer became a HC he was DC at Ohio, Navy, Nevada, Air Force, and most recently at A&M 2010-2011.

He may not be the hot DC du jour but he available today, is a plane ride away, and like Kiffen is being paid well from a previous employer.

No idea if he's interested in a DC job permanently or as a placeholder nor how desirable his is on the wish list ... but he is available, now.

He's a good DC. Loved him back in 2009 as a potential staff addition, but he went to A&M instead.

 

[irishff1014]

He's a good DC. Loved him back in 2009 as a potential staff addition, but he went to A&M instead.

I assume he did good recruiting there?

 

[BeauBenken]

I assume he did good recruiting there?

At A&M? He was there only one season, but he did well enough in that he was named interim HC for the bowl game.

DeRuyter became Texas A&M's defensive coordinator in 2010. The Aggies ranked 104th in scoring defense in 2009, under a 4-3 defense. In 2010, under his 3–4 defense, they improved to 21st in scoring defense.

Recruiting is a good question. I would imagine that is what lead to the drop off of his Fresno State teams. He went 11-2 in his second year, and Fresno State has always been able to be pretty good due to local California leftovers. Don't know exactly what happened there.

He also had Derek Carr his first two years.

 

[Irish_Mickey]

Mike Elco

Mike Elco

I'm all aboard the Mike Elco train. Obtainable low profile hire with a quality resume. Wake gave up a combined 23 points to Duke and Cuse this year and limited FSU to 17 in their last game.

Last year in the ND-Wake game, ND was limited to 21 offensive points, 15 first downs, and only 282 yards, 98 of them on the long Adams TD run. If you take out the 98 yarder, we ran the ball 29 times for 73 yards.

In his 5 years at Bowling Green, 2 of his defenses finished in the Top 10 in both total and scoring defense.

 

[irishff1014]

I'm all aboard the Mike Elco train. Obtainable low profile hire with a quality resume. Wake gave up a combined 23 points to Duke and Cuse this year and limited FSU to 17 in their last game.

Last year in the ND-Wake game, ND was limited to 21 offensive points, 15 first downs, and only 282 yards, 98 of them on the long Adams TD run. If you take out the 98 yarder, we ran the ball 29 times for 73 yards.

In his 5 years at Bowling Green, 2 of his defenses finished in the Top 10 in both total and scoring defense.

I'll have to read up more on him. Someone Else that doesn't look bad is West Virginia's DC. But i am not a fan of the 335 or what ever it is he runs.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I'll have to read up more on him. Someone Else that doesn't look bad is West Virginia's DC. But i am not a fan of the 335 or what ever it is he runs.

The 3-3-5 will get you beat down against a team that can run the ball. Can understand him running it in the pass happy Big 12 however.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm all aboard the Mike Elco train. Obtainable low profile hire with a quality resume. Wake gave up a combined 23 points to Duke and Cuse this year and limited FSU to 17 in their last game.

Last year in the ND-Wake game, ND was limited to 21 offensive points, 15 first downs, and only 282 yards, 98 of them on the long Adams TD run. If you take out the 98 yarder, we ran the ball 29 times for 73 yards.

In his 5 years at Bowling Green, 2 of his defenses finished in the Top 10 in both total and scoring defense.

I have guys that I like better but, like you said, might not be attainable. The more I've read on Elco, the more I'd like to see him at ND. Again, not my first choice, but without knowing how realistic those choices are, I'd take Elco. I think Barton Simmons, made a good point when he mentioned looking for a guy that does more with less, expecting that he can do even better, with more.

 

[irishff1014]

I have guys that I like better but, like you said, might not be attainable. The more I've read on Elco, the more I'd like to see him at ND. Again, not my first choice, but without knowing how realistic those choices are, I'd take Elco. I think Barton Simmons, made a good point when he mentioned looking for a guy that does more with less, expecting that he can do even better, with more.

How well does he recruit though? i understand doing the more with less though.

 

[Luckylucci]

How well does he recruit though? i understand doing the more with less though.

Honestly, recruiting is at the bottom of my list, on things I want from a DC. ND brings in enough talent, by just being ND, to annually produce a top 25 defense. As long as we stop having eligibility gaps, the RC (elston) and Elco, could easily figure then out, then the talent will be there. I'm not of the impression that we need to have a top 5 defense to win big. I think a top 25 unit, with the offensive talent that ND always attracts, can win big.

The talent we recruit combined with a solid developmental coach, easily produces a top 25 defense every year.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm all aboard the Mike Elco train. Obtainable low profile hire with a quality resume. Wake gave up a combined 23 points to Duke and Cuse this year and limited FSU to 17 in their last game.

Last year in the ND-Wake game, ND was limited to 21 offensive points, 15 first downs, and only 282 yards, 98 of them on the long Adams TD run. If you take out the 98 yarder, we ran the ball 29 times for 73 yards.

In his 5 years at Bowling Green, 2 of his defenses finished in the Top 10 in both total and scoring defense.

Welcome aboard. The guy gets little talent to work with compared to most schools and has been doing a great job. Similarities between ND & WF makes me think he'd be a perfect fit.

 

[IrishLax]

It's a time honored tradition for ND internet fans to praise the newest S&C coach hire and then call for his head as missed tackles, wrong angles, missed blocks, fumbles, and dropped passes were his deemed his responsibility.

Every ND S&C since Kirk Woolfolk has been blamed for ND's demise. Woolfolk was S&C for Holtz, '95-'97. After ND, he went to Navy and sculpted the team that ended the 43 game winning streak. He's still at Navy.

Mickey Marotti was blamed by ND fans as a prime resason for the "lack of toughness", injuries, and other problems of the Davie/Willingham eras. When not rehired by ND when Weis became HC, he was quickly hired by Urban Meyer at UF and developed National Championship caliber players there. Today he does the same thing for Meyer at OSU.

Urban Meyer

Ruben Mendoza was came to ND under Weis along with his former boss, David Cutcliffe. Mendoza had spent 4 years with Cut at Mississippi. He was cheered by ND fans as were Woolfolk and Mariotti before him ... and Paul Longo would be after replacing the Mendoza. And he was later jeered by the same ND posters in succeeding years. Remember "The Mendoza Lines" jokes (Not that Mendoza Line, .200 B.A., but ND's OLine and DLine trained by Ruben Mendoza.)

Now two decades later, Longo is responsible for ND's missed tackles, bad angles, missed blocking assignments, paucity of sacks, dropped passes, fumbles, wrong audibles, errant passes, play calling, injuries, and the catch all "lack of toughness" despite sending more players to the NFL his predecessors.

I never hear any ND fans comment about Jerry Schimdt. Who?

Holtz's S&C coach from '89-'95 and an ND assistant in '87-'88. But back in the mid 90's as Holtz W's started to decline (without Vinny Cerrato's recruits, but I digress) Schmidt drew the same heat that Woolfolk, Mariotti, Mendoza, and now Longo draws. Schmidt spent 4 year at UF and the last two decades at OU. When ND won 23 in a row it was Holtz. When ND slipped to 6-5 suddenly the team "lost toughness"


When the team doesn't win enough, it must be the strength coach.

Even when that same strength coach's team went undefeated.


Most all of the ND S&C coaches that left have done well elsewhere. They aren't the common denominator.

This post is hot fire.

 

[ND NYC]

This post is hot fire.

haha right

FWIW I happen to agree with all of it!

this thing we are going thru is NOT a S+C / Longo problem people

 

[Valpodoc85]

lack of toughness may not be the S&C coach but what about all the injuries last few years?

 

[greyhammer90]

It's a time honored tradition for ND internet fans to praise the newest S&C coach hire and then call for his head as missed tackles, wrong angles, missed blocks, fumbles, and dropped passes were his deemed his responsibility.

Every ND S&C since Kirk Woolfolk has been blamed for ND's demise. Woolfolk was S&C for Holtz, '95-'97. After ND, he went to Navy and sculpted the team that ended the 43 game winning streak. He's still at Navy.

Mickey Marotti was blamed by ND fans as a prime resason for the "lack of toughness", injuries, and other problems of the Davie/Willingham eras. When not rehired by ND when Weis became HC, he was quickly hired by Urban Meyer at UF and developed National Championship caliber players there. Today he does the same thing for Meyer at OSU.

Urban Meyer

Ruben Mendoza was came to ND under Weis along with his former boss, David Cutcliffe. Mendoza had spent 4 years with Cut at Mississippi. He was cheered by ND fans as were Woolfolk and Mariotti before him ... and Paul Longo would be after replacing the Mendoza. And he was later jeered by the same ND posters in succeeding years. Remember "The Mendoza Lines" jokes (Not that Mendoza Line, .200 B.A., but ND's OLine and DLine trained by Ruben Mendoza.)

Now two decades later, Longo is responsible for ND's missed tackles, bad angles, missed blocking assignments, paucity of sacks, dropped passes, fumbles, wrong audibles, errant passes, play calling, injuries, and the catch all "lack of toughness" despite sending more players to the NFL his predecessors.

I never hear any ND fans comment about Jerry Schimdt. Who?

Holtz's S&C coach from '89-'95 and an ND assistant in '87-'88. But back in the mid 90's as Holtz W's started to decline (without Vinny Cerrato's recruits, but I digress) Schmidt drew the same heat that Woolfolk, Mariotti, Mendoza, and now Longo draws. Schmidt spent 4 year at UF and the last two decades at OU. When ND won 23 in a row it was Holtz. When ND slipped to 6-5 suddenly the team "lost toughness"


When the team doesn't win enough, it must be the strength coach.

Even when that same strength coach's team went undefeated.


Most all of the ND S&C coaches that left have done well elsewhere. They aren't the common denominator.

 

[IrishLax]

lack of toughness may not be the S&C coach but what about all the injuries last few years?

I've always thought you could lay that at his feat, but strangely... knock on wood... injuries are WAY down this year. I'm not sure why. The GPS they've been using to track usage?

The only starter we've lost to injury this year is Crawford.

 

[Ndaccountant]

FWIW, it's spelled Elko.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Even after all the crap going on this year, the recruiting is standing tall. Rivals and ESPN have the Irish ranked 6th.

 

[ThePiombino]

Even after all the crap going on this year, the recruiting is standing tall. Rivals and ESPN have the Irish ranked 6th.

Do you know if that factors in the Jeter decommitment?