BVG Fired

[Luckylucci]

Irish247 did a piece on it after the season. It was also a point of contention with some recruits, specifically C. Kelly

 

[dang227]

Can you expand on this? How do we know this / any rationale why? Seems really weird.

I don't understand this either. I have never heard of something like that.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

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[aubeirish]

Haha. Made my day.

 

[Luckylucci]

I don't understand this either. I have never heard of something like that.

There really isn't anything more to expand on. Per the 247 report our defense conducts 1d efensive meeting. There are no longer position meetings amongst the defense. Normally you'll have the defense/offense get together as a whole then break up into position groups. The defense no longer does that and yes, it isn't very common.

 

[NDdomer2]

There really isn't anything more to expand on. Per the 247 report our defense conducts 1defensive meeting. There are no longer position meetings amongst the defense. Normally you'll have the defense/offense get together as a whole then break up into position groups. The defense no longer does that and yes, it isn't very common.

wonder if they used to do their group breakouts and there were so many communication errors come practice/game that staff decided to keep all together so they could "get on same page".

not that it appears it resulted in positive outcomes.

 

[dang227]

"Isn't very common" is an understatement. I have never heard of a staff doing this. Some of the most important instruction and film viewing is in positional meetings. I met every day with my position group at the DII level.

 

[Luckylucci]

"Isn't very common" is an understatement. I have never heard of a staff doing this. Some of the most important instruction and film viewing is in positional meetings. I met every day with my position group at the DII level.

Trying to be a little PC, but I agree. I personally think its bat shit crazy but I've sounded off on this enough recently.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

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[Bogtrotter07]

My take is BVG is as frustrated with the defensive situation at ND, as some fans are with him.

I don't think BVG is very enamored with some of his staff, but that may have to do with the bigger issue of daft players only at several positions.

In that BVG compilation posted above, notice that just about the angriest he gets is when he says something to the affect of how do you expect the player to play like champions when you don't. Could have been directed at a GA, who knows? Anybody?

But between his frustration with past recruiting efforts, and the general quality of play, minus the Manti effect, I can see BVG doing something radical!

Speaking of Manti, I don't care what anyone says about him. He got all the players to play over their heads above their best. So when BVG challenged Jaylon, I thought it was right on target. Took a lot of balls, too!

 

[irishff1014]

Kelly isn't getting rid of BVG after hearing his remarks at the pc today.

 

[Luckylucci]

Yea, that was definitely said for a reason. Hopefully BK gets involved to ensure we see better/more consistent performance from the D.

 

[greyhammer90]

Yea, that was definitely said for a reason. Hopefully Max learns to football/gets a new watch so we see better/more consistent performance from the D.

FTFY

 

[rocket66]

We need a rockstar DC that can recruit and build relationships, similar so what Sanford does for the offense. It's a huge miss for us by having BVG as the DC imo.


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[Luckylucci]

FTFY

I wish it was only Max that was the issue.

 

[NDdomer2]

Kelly said the defense would be better with confidence. But how else is the man supposed to say it.

I do believe we will see improvement.

 

[tko]

Hoping for a year without so many key injuries to really see if BVG can do it.

 

[rocket66]

Kelly said the defense would be better with confidence. But how else is the man supposed to say it.

I do believe we will see improvement.

I saw a couple of interviews today with BK where he was praised for his offenses and getting the most out of players, but the defense always seems to be the weaker link. You have to think that comments like that burn his ass and he'll make sure the defensive staff gets their shit together.


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[greyhammer90]

I do believe we will see improvement.

I wish I felt this way. I expect us to be worse assuming BVG doesn't change his system.

 

[kmoose]

During the BVG (I think) interview today, on the Jack Swarbrick Show Presented by Joe Schmidt, it was mentioned that they couldn't even play nickel defense for 2 or 3 games this past season, because they didn't have a healthy 5th DB that was ready to play. They signed 5 DBs today, so hopefully they will be able to improve the backside of the defense. I'm not sure you can replace Jaylon Smith's production, though. So the key question is probably going to be........... how close can you get?

 

[IrishLion]

I wish I felt this way. I expect us to be worse assuming BVG doesn't change his system.

Hopefully BK flexes on some fools this offseason, which in turn results in less thinking and more playing from the defensive athletes.

Diaco's defense was too vanilla; BVG's defense is too complex. I'd be surprised if BK doesn't play a large part in making sure his DC strikes the right balance after another offseason to analyze things.

 

[Irish Insanity]

JS has graduated. Our D should see improvement on that alone.

As far as BVG, send him packing

 

[irishff1014]

During the BVG (I think) interview today, on the Jack Swarbrick Show Presented by Joe Schmidt, it was mentioned that they couldn't even play nickel defense for 2 or 3 games this past season, because they didn't have a healthy 5th DB that was ready to play. They signed 5 DBs today, so hopefully they will be able to improve the backside of the defense. I'm not sure you can replace Jaylon Smith's production, though. So the key question is probably going to be........... how close can you get?

IMO there were freshman that could have helped but the staff chose not to play them.

I don't think you can replay Jaylon but when you get rid of Schmidt you have a better athletic group of line backers across the board which will help pick up the slack. We need someone one to man up and anchor the safety position.

 

[kmoose]

IMO there were freshman that could have helped but the staff chose not to play them.

If they can't execute the game plan, or don't know their assignments, you can't put them on the field?

 

[greyhammer90]

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It really sucks that I can never ever enjoy that marvelous moment in TV history because I was in the middle of watching Tommy Rees throw our f*cking season away in September to Michigan.

I... I just have so much hurt.

 

[NDdomer2]

Has anyone heard how Shaun's rehab is progressing? Kid was expected to start at that nickel position right?

 

[Irishman77]

We should make a poll on what excuse the coaches come up with next year
A. Players too dumb
B. We don't have enough players to play nickel 6 years into the program
C. Even though we spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in resources recruiting and landing great talent they don't have enough experience to take over and start. This would look bad and damage our ego.

D. Emotion on game day is overrated this is business. Getting players fired up is a waste of time
E. Bvg coached in the NFL he shouldn't have to recruit and still has every right to blame our roster

F. All of the above

 

[GoldenDome]

Get it done or GTFO. You are being paid accordingly.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Wait, I was looking for the BVG thread.

I've been thinking a lot, which is never good.

But ND was one of the top improvers at 8.8 points per game in the regular season. Over six were on the defense, reducing opponents point totals. And I think we played better offenses in '15 than '14. In Georgia, BVG started to catch the second year, and really took hold the third.

After the experience of Notre Dame not having the right quarterback for 5 years, and having a roster full on year 6, I wonder. For example, was KeiVarae Russell, analogous to Everett Golson? And Max another Dane Crist? The list goes on, but Kelly was deeper with Smith and Motta than he became with his own players at safety, definitely. And did injuries to Crawford (primarily), Sebastian, and Tranquil ruin this season past? I wonder.

Lost in all that was the fact that BVG had some serious talent on them Ga teams. Pollack, Boss Bailey, Johnathan Sullivan, Sean Jones, Geathers, Thornton. I want to say at least four of them were selected in the first or second rounds and the others were off the board by the fourth round. Them Ga defenses were stout as hell up the middle and good enough on the edges and I think that has been missing at ND under BVG.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

JS has graduated. Our D should see improvement on that alone.

As far as BVG, send him packing

JS = Jaylon Smith + Joe Schmidt

I recently watched game film of Joe Schmidt before, and after his broken ankle. He was never the same. Joe never had speed. But he was 'adequate' in that department when he first came up. Not so his Senior year. Remember the last time we had a five flat middle linebacker? It was during the no-defense Weis years!

So last year we didn't have a middle capable of playing the game with all that is required of a 4-3 middle backer.

Jaylon Smith was a freak, But I think BVG was right on when he called Jaylon out. Jaylon had no real vocal leadership abilities. Not like Manti. Not like Malik. Not like even DeShone, who was such a newbie that the Styrofoam and cardboard from the packing material still clung to his jersey and helmet! (Intended hyperbole.)

So other than Sheldon and Isaac, there was no decent defensive leadership. That tracks with all the antidotal evidence out there. The defensive line performed as expected, or better in every game. At least it was the best performing component of the defense, game in, and game out.

The defensive backfield was a mess. Maybe the worst situation since Lou was head coach. Yea, I said that. But think about it. It wasn't just the fact that no one was assignment correct. There was a lot of evidence all the corners were playing with bad technique, or at least not what they were being coached. (Except Cole Luke, for the most part.) There may not have been a healthy, competent, consistent safety after Drue went down. With any 4-3, you are forced into more cover 1, by nature. You need to do things that you can't without that extra linebacker, playing a gap (single) defense , as opposed to a two-gap.

Brian made one reference to this yesterday. From what he said, I heard two things; that the two gap 3-4. cover 2 defense wasn't the way to go, and that it took time, as well as the right personnel to run any defense that ran cover 1 coverage.

Add to that the Irish took a major hit on the line. Jarron Jones was a pocket collapsing defensive lineman that could remain assignment correct for the run game. That killed us this season, any way you slice it. Probably the most significant injury in terms of an irreplaceable skill set on the whole team, over the season.

So this year, the defense concentrated on the right kind of db's for the system, some edge rushers, hybrid linebackers, role players, and versatile player. Not just guys that can play more than one defensive position, but guys that could do that, and or even play on the other side of the ball. If you don't believe me, look at how many guys were brought in that have played quarterback!

And look at the athletes that were brought in to play corner; they already seem to know when to turn their heads, and when not to turn them. This was pointed out to me by a guy I know that had NFL experience. So it wasn't farted out by some have baked talking head. Just my take on it.

The next year or so should tell all. Especially with the development of Johnathan Jones. I get the feeling that he was the most important of the late linebackers from this class. Because they see him as the future of the middle.

If we don't see a tremendous improvement this next season, and consistent improvement thereafter, maybe I'll join the anti=BVG bandwagon. But for me, it is way premature.