'15 OH CB Shaun Crawford (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[irishog77]

I'm sure hoke is sure to discuss his job difficulty and job status with Crawford and recruits too.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

This whole thing just sounds wrong to me.

Crawford's mom the principle was already blown away by ND but they pick Michigan anyways, and then they have to come back and do the song and dance again?

Hoke is in trouble, but he cuts ties with a top recruit, because of "undisclosed character issues," but Peppers isn't even a blip on the radar?


Okay.

 

[NDdomer2]

This whole thing just sounds wrong to me.

Crawford's mom the principle was already blown away by ND but they pick Michigan anyways, and then they have to come back and do the song and dance again?

Hoke is in trouble, but he cuts ties with a top recruit, because of "undisclosed character issues," but Peppers isn't even a blip on the radar?


Okay.

hoke didn't cut ties.

He would have picked ND the first time but ND didn't offer.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

hoke didn't cut ties.

He would have picked ND the first time but ND didn't offer.

Agreed with point one, which is half of the bullshit feel of the situation.

But if he would have picked ND the first time, are you saying that time he did it without his mother "having the feel", but that she needs it this time, and that explains the delay?

I am not disagreeing with you. Someone is trying to show SC and his family in the worst light possible, and assassinate the character and professionalism of the Michigan coaching staff.

 

[Luckylucci]

This from TJ about the expected time for commitment.

Yeah, the staff has expected something to happen here from the middle of June through the camp period. The 20th or so would be a nice time, I suppose.

Sampson followed with the saying that they are regular contact with Cooks and the time frame is early to mid June. Not speaking with Michigan at all.

They are probably just slowing things down for a couple to few weeks to be sure. No harm in that.

 

[Rack Em]

This from TJ about the expected time for commitment.

Yeah, the staff has expected something to happen here from the middle of June through the camp period. The 20th or so would be a nice time, I suppose.

Sampson followed with the saying that they are regular contact with Cooks and the time frame is early to mid June. Not speaking with Michigan at all.

They are probably just slowing things down for a couple to few weeks to be sure. No harm in that.

Probably to watch what's happening with Barnett...

I'm only half kidding.

 

[johnnycando]

This from TJ about the expected time for commitment.

Yeah, the staff has expected something to happen here from the middle of June through the camp period. The 20th or so would be a nice time, I suppose.

Sampson followed with the saying that they are regular contact with Cooks and the time frame is early to mid June. Not speaking with Michigan at all.

They are probably just slowing things down for a couple to few weeks to be sure. No harm in that.

Nevermind.

 

[Chasey]

i am glad Crawford is waiting this way he doesnt second guess is decesion.

 

[yankeeND]

i am glad Crawford is waiting this way he doesnt second guess is decesion.

I am too. I hope he announce at the II camp giving it even more buzz.

 

[Irish#1]

i am glad Crawford is waiting this way he doesnt second guess is decesion.

Funny how this board was lit up with speculation about committing right after he de-committed, then the "what's going on" when he didn't. Now we're wanting him to wait and be sure. Love the emotional range this board enjoys.

 

[md_bennett]

Funny how this board was lit up with speculation about committing right after he de-committed, then the "what's going on" when he didn't. Now we're wanting him to wait and be sure. Love the emotional range this board enjoys.

I personally don't care about the time taken. Just so long as at the end of II we have a whole new look to our 2015 class with a lot of talent committed then I'll be ok. If this big effort flops, then we are going to be in for a long recruiting season.

 

[NDdomer2]

I personally don't care about the time taken. Just so long as at the end of II we have a whole new look to our 2015 class with a lot of talent committed then I'll be ok. If this big effort flops, then we are going to be in for a long recruiting season.

So II is only successful if we have multiple commits by it's end?

I disagree IF that is what you are saying.

 

[anarin]

i am glad Crawford is waiting this way he doesnt second guess is decesion.

That is alot of red YO!

 

[md_bennett]

So II is only successful if we have multiple commits by it's end?

I disagree IF that is what you are saying.

It is sorta what I mean but not completely. I think we have to get at least 1 or 2 as a direct result of II and have a few more ready to commit or already committed (outside of II) by the time it ends. It's time to fill up a bit and grab some of these guys we have been pushing on for a bit.

 

[Irish8248]

It is sorta what I mean but not completely. I think we have to get at least 1 or 2 as a direct result of II and have a few more ready to commit or already committed (outside of II) by the time it ends. It's time to fill up a bit and grab some of these guys we have been pushing on for a bit.

So say 5 participants wait til November or December when the season ends to commit to ND, then II was a waste despite those 5 were in attendance?

Crazy talk.

The fact you can hold a camp, get attention from recruits, and have them on campus without using an official visit, means an automatic win regardless of who commits or doesn't

 

[Irish#1]

It is sorta what I mean but not completely. I think we have to get at least 1 or 2 as a direct result of II and have a few more ready to commit or already committed (outside of II) by the time it ends. It's time to fill up a bit and grab some of these guys we have been pushing on for a bit.

Don't expect commitments after II or you will be disappointed. It's not a lot different than the big recruiting weekends held during the season (i.e. USC game). speculation of a number of commits gets discussed then nothing until later.

 

[Luckylucci]

Here's my take. First, setting up a camp like this is a success already in that its really the first of its kind and we have to get on par with others that have successful summer camps. Success from this camp might be instantaneous and/or we might see benefits in 2016. Its going to be hard to judge the overall immediate success without looking at commits unless you want to subjectively look at the recruits reactions and interviews post visit. Something to keep in mind is we've added Barajas and Tiassum to the commit list with Taylor and Crawford as foregone conclusions. That changes the dynamic a bit. With that said there are a lot of guys that have summer decisions planned that will be attending II or visiting around II. If those decisions come and go and we don't get a few of those prospects it would be seen as a disappointment. Maybe not just the camp but recruiting in general.

 

[IrishLax]

We really need to be at about 16 commits by the end of summer including a QB. How we get there, I don't really care. But if we're not at 16 I think we're in a bit of trouble.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

We really need to be at about 16 commits by the end of summer including a QB. How we get there, I don't really care. But if we're not at 16 I think we're in a bit of trouble.

Most people predict we only have, at most, 19 spots available this cycle and you want 16 before the season?!

We often end up in the race for some unforeseen prospects when we have good/great seasons and I expect this year to be awfully explosive if not great, so I don't know if 16 is the best thing for us. Thoughts?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Most people predict we only have, at most, 19 spots available this cycle and you want 16 before the season?!

We often end up in the race for some unforeseen prospects when we have good/great seasons and I expect this year to be awfully explosive if not great, so I don't know if 16 is the best thing for us. Thoughts?

As Lucky reported, TJ said that the staff is working as if they have 20 spots and they could go above that.

 

[Luckylucci]

With a good season I could see us push the number up to 21-22. We went through this towards the end of last season but TJ at that time and Ironman did so here put together a pretty good argument for not bringing back a lot of the 5th year guys that people assumed were locks.

 

[Irishman77]

With a good season I could see us push the number up to 21-22. We went through this towards the end of last season but TJ at that time and Ironman did so here put together a pretty good argument for not bringing back a lot of the 5th year guys that people assumed were locks.

More derailment, but 21 would be absolute max. I am all for this if we bring in the wood, but 5-7 fifth years are needed badly in: Martin, Hegarty, Carlisle , Councell, grace, Springman ...then hanratty, then likely nfl bound of Golson and Daniels.
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[STLDomer]

I would not catagorize Golson as "likely NFL bound"

 

[Luckylucci]

More derailment, but 21 would be absolute max. I am all for this if we bring in the wood, but 5-7 fifth years are needed badly in: Martin, Hegarty, Carlisle , Councell, grace, Springman ...then hanratty, then likely nfl bound of Golson and Daniels.
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So I don't recall the specific post from TJ but if Ironman is around maybe he can come up with his comments from before. Basically, I bolded a few that I know will be tough decisions for the staff but if its the difference between Greene or hegarty they'll choose Greene. What if Grace isn't the same player he was or expected to be. Thats basically what TJ was talking about. We've recruited the OL very good and will probably have some sophomores and Juniors at that time that will be ready to play. I wasn't saying that 20+ is a hard number or that I'm expecting that its more to the point that I think there a lot of unknowns with numbers this year. Partially because recruiting is hard to plan for but more so than normal the players on the field have to really earn their 5th years. If we have a big year 10+ wins and the ship is hot don't be surprised if a few more kids want to be part of it and we make some tough decisions.

 

[Ndaccountant]

So I don't recall the specific post from TJ but if Ironman is around maybe he can come up with his comments from before. Basically, I bolded a few that I know will be tough decisions for the staff but if its the difference between Greene or hegarty they'll choose Greene. What if Grace isn't the same player he was or expected to be. Thats basically what TJ was talking about. We've recruited the OL very good and will probably have some sophomores and Juniors at that time that will be ready to play. I wasn't saying that 20+ is a hard number or that I'm expecting that its more to the point that I think there a lot of unknown with numbers this year. Partially because recruiting is hard to plan for but more so than normal the players on the field have to really earn their 5th years.

Let me start by saying I don't disagree. I think this is a very rational viewpoint.

But let me play the other side of this coin with this......how does the staff sell kids on the benefit of taking a redshirt if they are going to be run out after 4 years? I know the term run out is a bit harsh, but it's the truth. I know they can take a 5th year elsewhere, but I am not sure if the success rate is that high. Just seems like it would by hypocritical.

 

[woolybug25]

Let me start by saying I don't disagree. I think this is a very rational viewpoint.

But let me play the other side of this coin with this......how does the staff sell kids on the benefit of taking a redshirt if they are going to be run out after 4 years? I know the term run out is a bit harsh, but it's the truth. I know they can take a 5th year elsewhere, but I am not sure if the success rate is that high. Just seems like it would by hypocritical.

What major program almost guarantees 5th years? We honor our offers until our commitment to the recruit is fulfilled... a degree from the University of Notre Dame.

Your play and need of the team dictates a 5th year. That's the same in every program in the country.

 

[Ndaccountant]

What major program almost guarantees 5th years? We honor our offers until our commitment to the recruit is fulfilled... a degree from the University of Notre Dame.

Your play and need of the team dictates a 5th year. That's the same in every program in the country.

Agree, so if you are a freshman that could play in year one but the coaching staff wants you to redshirt, why would you as a player do so not knowing what the future holds? If I was Hegarty. I would think "why did I redshirt then? Yes, I got stronger, but in reality I saw no other tangible benefit from redshirting".

I am not talking about the guys that were "projects" and never materialized. I am talking about guys like Hegarty that played meaningful minutes.

 

[irishog77]

Agree, so if you are a freshman that could play in year one but the coaching staff wants you to redshirt, why would use as a player do so not knowing what the future holds? If I was Hegarty. I would think "why did I redshirt then? Yes, I got stronger, but in reality I so no other tangible benefit from redshirting".

I am not talking about the guys that were "projects" and never materialized. I am talking about guys like Hegarty that played meaningful minutes.

I think sometimes "taking a redshirt year" is a euphemism for not being very good.

I get what you're saying, but 99% of the time, it's not like the kid has much of a choice-- he's not good enough to play anyway. ND isn't a bad guy for not paying for a year of grad school there because a kid finally is good enough to maybe play a little.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I think sometimes "taking a redshirt year" is a euphemism for not being very good.

I get what you're saying, but 99% of the time, it's not like the kid has much of a choice-- he's not good enough to play anyway. ND isn't a bad guy for not paying for a year of grad school there because a kid finally is good enough to maybe play a little.

It makes sense for linemen and QBs because they truly take time to materialize. For everyone else, its ussually not a great thing because if if you weren't great as a freshman, you'll still get to your peak by your senior year.

 

[woolybug25]

Agree, so if you are a freshman that could play in year one but the coaching staff wants you to redshirt, why would use as a player do so not knowing what the future holds? If I was Hegarty. I would think "why did I redshirt then? Yes, I got stronger, but in reality I so no other tangible benefit from redshirting".

I am not talking about the guys that were "projects" and never materialized. I am talking about guys like Hegarty that played meaningful minutes.

There's no difference in my mind. What if he would have played a few snaps in some blowouts and gave occasional breathers to guys? He still didn't have meaningful minutes.

You aren't guaranteed a 5th year regardless of redshirt, injury, etc... period. Most schools don't even honor the time it takes for a young man to get a degree, Notre Dame does 100% of the time. I wouldn't change that and appreciate that we are different in that sense... but i'm not about to start saying that we should start assuming 5th years for guys simply because they redshirted.