BVG Fired

[Kingbish01]

I'm hoping Hudson is just a band-aide. This is ND, maybe we are all just a bunch of homers....BUT THIS IS ND....We better get a big time Defensive Coordinator. I knew the day we hired BVG it was more likely going to fail than not, you know why??? Because I remember saying WHO???

 

[BeauBenken]

The unfortunate thing for Greg is that no matter how much the defense improves over the course of the season (if it does), there is essentially no chance he gets the job just because how strong the demand for a BIG time DC will be from fans and boosters.

He legitimately seems like he could be a great addition to the on field staff though especially if he were to coach linebackers and/or special teams. Everywhere he has gone, despite questions as a coordinator role, the teams have all said he completely transformed their linebacker unit in a positive way. Unfortunately we already have a couple guys coaching those positions who likely won't be going anywhere.

 

[IrishBroker]

The unfortunate thing for Greg is that no matter how much the defense improves over the course of the season (if it does), there is essentially no chance he gets the job just because how strong the demand for a BIG time DC will be from fans and boosters.

He legitimately seems like he could be a great addition to the on field staff though especially if he were to coach linebackers and/or special teams. Everywhere he has gone, despite questions as a coordinator role, the teams have all said he completely transformed their linebacker unit in a positive way. Unfortunately we already have a couple guys coaching those positions who likely won't be going anywhere.

I'd get crazy and ask how much Matt Patricia makes up in New England? Don't know if he'd ever leave there, but he's going to be hot around the vacancies in the NFL and CFB scene.

If Kelly gets fired, I can see his name popping up.

 

[irishff1014]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly said he called for Jack Swarbrick for approval in firing Brian VanGorder. Kelly said he initiated that conversation.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/780806273503723520">September 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[irishff1014]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kelly on firing BVG and the emotions that went with it: "This isn’t fairytale. This isn’t reality TV."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/780810178845405184">September 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Irish#1]

I'm hoping Hudson is just a band-aide. This is ND, maybe we are all just a bunch of homers....BUT THIS IS ND....We better get a big time Defensive Coordinator. I knew the day we hired BVG it was more likely going to fail than not, you know why??? Because I remember saying WHO???

Brad Stevens and Frank Vogel say hello. A couple of no names that have done pretty well. The guy doesn't need to be a big name guy. He just needs to have a defense that is easy to learn and run. Loves to coach his kids and makes them better.

 

[Irish#1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly said he called for Jack Swarbrick for approval in firing Brian VanGorder. Kelly said he initiated that conversation.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/780806273503723520">September 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Kelly: Hey Jack, you got a minute?
Swarbrick: Sure Brian, I was just getting ready to call you when the phone rang.

 

[Meatloaf]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kelly on firing BVG and the emotions that went with it: "This isn’t fairytale. This isn’t reality TV."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/780810178845405184">September 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Solid Departed reference there by BK

 

[Guest]

The question is whether Kelly's ego will play with a big name DC. He may not want another big personality or person with similar level of credibility in the room. I have nothing to prove this, just speculation on what way he may go at the end of the season.

 

[Bluto]

The question is whether Kelly's ego will play with a big name DC. He may not want another big personality or person with similar level of credibility in the room. I have nothing to prove this, just speculation on what way he may go at the end of the season.

Seems like he cut BVG a ton of slack.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Seems like he cut BVG a ton of slack.

BVG had to have something on him. I mean we all know BK has a big ego, as most coaches do, yet he was completely hands off with BVG and D. It makes no sense.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

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[PANDFAN]

Notre Dame DC search shouldn't be about a splash hire

i believe this is a free article, although not sure but this is who should be #1

Mike Elko at Wake Forest

 

[zelezo vlk]

Can he recruit? The next DC should be a good recruiter.

 

[Free Manera]

Notre Dame DC search shouldn't be about a splash hire

i believe this is a free article, although not sure but this is who should be #1

Mike Elko at Wake Forest

That is a pretty interesting and persuasive perspective. TLDR: ND should hire a coordinator that gets good results with a roster full of 2* players instead of a coordinator that gets great results with a roster full of 5* players.

It basically goes hand-in-hand with these coordinator grades: 2016 Coordinator Grades - CFB Matrix

The grades take into account the overall talent of the roster. And guess what - Elko got an A+.

 

[PANDFAN]

That is a pretty interesting and persuasive perspective. TLDR: ND should hire a coordinator that gets good results with a roster full of 2* players instead of a coordinator that gets great results with a roster full of 5* players.

It basically goes hand-in-hand with these coordinator grades: 2016 Coordinator Grades - CFB Matrix

The grades take into account the overall talent of the roster. And guess what - Elko got an A+.

nice find!....just of NOTE....BVG received an F- ouch

 

[phgreek]

That is a pretty interesting and persuasive perspective. TLDR: ND should hire a coordinator that gets good results with a roster full of 2* players instead of a coordinator that gets great results with a roster full of 5* players.

It basically goes hand-in-hand with these coordinator grades: 2016 Coordinator Grades - CFB Matrix

The grades take into account the overall talent of the roster. And guess what - Elko got an A+.

I could be persuaded... If someone wins with starters and backups consistently, I'm OK. But lets be honest...the recruiting chops need to be there, along with the guy having the ability to hire HIS own guys.

I have nothing personally against any ND defensive coach...I do know loyalty to them can't supersede loyalty to the program.

 

[Free Manera]

I could be persuaded... If someone wins with starters and backups consistently, I'm OK. But lets be honest...the recruiting chops need to be there, along with the guy having the ability to hire HIS own guys.

I have nothing personally against any ND defensive coach...I do know loyalty to them can't supersede loyalty to the program.

I totally agree with the recruiting aspect. In fact, prior to BVG I was under the impression that all college coaches recruited. I thought that came with the territory.

However the point is not to get a guy that can win with 2*s, then recruit 2*s. The goal is to get a guy that can win with 2*s but then give him 4 and 5*s and hopefully watch the magic.

 

[Free Manera]

nice find!....just of NOTE....BVG received an F- ouch

Not only did BVG get the worst possible grade, I didn't see any other coordinator with lower than an F. He is truly in a class of his own.

 

[PANDFAN]

“They're not ready for this kind of scheme, and now that I have put in what I believe to be something that they can handle, it changes the view from this perspective,” he said. “Now there isn't that insulation of the answer. Now there's no excuse why they can't be on the field.”

Kelly aims to lean on ND defensive depth against Orange

 

[Circa]

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Great look into the inner feelings of BK and the whole teIam in this Syracuse press conference. How about that annoying ass fly that was buzzing BK through the last half of the PC? He swatted It away twice without losing a beat that I saw...
He is a great politician and would have probably been better than both of those silly ass's last night.

 

[philipm31]

I'm hoping Hudson is just a band-aide. This is ND, maybe we are all just a bunch of homers....BUT THIS IS ND....We better get a big time Defensive Coordinator. I knew the day we hired BVG it was more likely going to fail than not, you know why??? Because I remember saying WHO???

Did many ND fans know Barry Alvarez when he came to ND? No. Bob Davie was the architect of The Wrecking Crew at Texas A&M and ND never had a defense that was close to it.

It is not about a big name. It is always about fit.

If his scheme fits the players here, he will stay. If it does not, then he won't but saying we "need a big name" is just not true.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

BVG had to have something on him. I mean we all know BK has a big ego, as most coaches do, yet he was completely hands off with BVG and D. It makes no sense.

Was he any different under Diaco? I can't say for sure on the timelines but didn't Kelly force Redfield into the starting lineup for the Pinstripe Bowl only after Diaco had left for UConn?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Did many ND fans know Barry Alvarez when he came to ND? No. Bob Davie was the architect of The Wrecking Crew at Texas A&M and ND never had a defense that was close to it.

It is not about a big name. It is always about fit.

If his scheme fits the players here, he will stay. If it does not, then he won't but saying we "need a big name" is just not true.

Yeah I would much rather get a young and energetic guy whose open to adjusting his scheme to ND than getting a guy whose already established and thinks he has all the answers.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Yeah I would much rather get a young and energetic guy whose open to adjusting his scheme to ND than getting a guy whose already established and thinks he has all the answers.

Yes. I would rather get a guy who will get off his ass and recruit.

Honestly, that is the single biggest issue with BVG for me. It turns out his shit didn't work in the college game. OK, whatever. It was a seductive idea: that after Alabama killed us in 2012 we needed to be the polar opposite, i.e. complex. The fact that he didn't or wouldn't recruit was red flag that he couldn't or wouldn't communicate effectively with the people he was tasked with teaching.

 

[IrishBroker]

Yes. I would rather get a guy who will get off his ass and recruit.

Honestly, that is the single biggest issue with BVG for me. It turns out his shit didn't work in the college game. OK, whatever. It was a seductive idea: that after Alabama killed us in 2012 we needed to be the polar opposite, i.e. complex. The fact that he didn't or wouldn't recruit was red flag that he couldn't or wouldn't communicate effectively with the people he was tasked with teaching.

This is huge. How can a kid truly buy in, if you aren't getting to know them and how they think and what motivates them?

 

[phgreek]

Did many ND fans know Barry Alvarez when he came to ND? No. Bob Davie was the architect of The Wrecking Crew at Texas A&M and ND never had a defense that was close to it.

It is not about a big name. It is always about fit.

If his scheme fits the players here, he will stay. If it does not, then he won't but saying we "need a big name" is just not true.

Some truth to this...but today's game is about recruiting too. I think a Name / Identity helps rapidly turn a defense...

Like I said earlier I could live with someone less known who can build a defense with lesser players, and sustain it through injuries and departures, but they still need to be a mad cruiter to make the defense impactful every couple years.

 

[koonja]

I don't think 'big name' matters much in recruiting for a DC. The 'biggest name' on the market is the guy from LSU, and I cannot even name him and I'm sure HS'ers cannot.

If a name is that big, he's going to be going for a HC position, not DC position. So I just don't think 'big name DC' is going to be important in recruiting compared to just simply how hard is he willing to work at recruiting.

 

[Emcee77]

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Great look into the inner feelings of BK and the whole teIam in this Syracuse press conference. How about that annoying ass fly that was buzzing BK through the last half of the PC? He swatted It away twice without losing a beat that I saw...
He is a great politician and would have probably been better than both of those silly ass's last night.

It was fascinating listening to him talk about playing loose and free and to have fun out there. I like to hear that he thinks he's put his finger on what the problem is and has some ideas of how to fix it. Let's hope we see improvement soon, starting this weekend. Listening to the presser made me feel optimistic.

 

[Luckylucci]

I don't think 'big name' matters much in recruiting for a DC. The 'biggest name' on the market is the guy from LSU, and I cannot even name him and I'm sure HS'ers cannot.

If a name is that big, he's going to be going for a HC position, not DC position. So I just don't think 'big name DC' is going to be important in recruiting compared to just simply how hard is he willing to work at recruiting.

I agree. I think Kelly and staff have identified something that works for them on the recruiting trail. ND has very rarely not been able to recruit talent because of the pitch/school/performance, etc. Its usually due to lack of effort. As long as we get a guy that is willing to put in the time, then I think the results will be fine.

I agree with Barton S on this one as well. I'd go for a hungry DC from a smaller school that has a history of turning lesser talent into better results. The recruiting will take care of itself with effort and time. Also, I think Elston is doing a really good job with RC responsibilities. However, if we could get Dave Aranda, from LSU. I'd change my tune quickly. He started off like some of those DC's that Simmons mentioned. And did so with Wisconsin.