Brian Mason

[NumbersGuy0520]

I have to wonder how much of this is a result of how the OC stuff went down.

I’m not saying it completely caused this, but it probably also didn’t have zero effect.

Hell, if I were one of our coaches, I’d be rethinking things right now too. We seem to be in complete disarray - they need to figure this shit out fast.

 

[IrishFanForever23]

Come on down Marty Biagi.

 

[irishog77]

Honest question. Is it possible just nobody wants to work for Marcus? Feel like this is a ton of turnover.

No. Guys are leaving for promotions/career advancement. This happens in the private sector all the time, and people get excited for the people moving on and up.

Al Golden came because of Marcus Freeman. The only reason Matt Luke interviewed with ND was specifically because of Marcus Freeman. Coaches like, and are excited by, Freeman. Could that change once he's become more established? Sure. But for now, it's definitely not the case.

 

[KPENN]

No. Guys are leaving for promotions/career advancement. This happens in the private sector all the time, and people get excited for the people moving on and up.

Al Golden came because of Marcus Freeman. The only reason Matt Luke interviewed with ND was specifically because of Marcus Freeman. Coaches like, and are excited by, Freeman. Could that change once he's become more established? Sure. But for now, it's definitely not the case.

To add to your point, the only reason Brian mason is here is because of… Marcus Freeman

 

[NDohio]

I have to wonder how much of this is a result of how the OC stuff went down.

I’m not saying it completely caused this, but it probably also didn’t have zero effect.

Hell, if I were one of our coaches, I’d be rethinking things right now too. We seem to be in complete disarray - they need to figure this shit out fast.

Completely disagree. The coaches that have left, or are rumored to be leaving, are ALL leaving for promotions. The OC search has no effect on coaches wanting to advance their careers.

 

[irishog77]

People would be well-served also to not look at ND coaching in a vacuum.

Other schools have been getting poached by the nfl and other schools. I think it's florida that has lost 3 coaches in the last few weeks? 2 time defending national champion georgia lost their OC a couple weeks ago. I think they just lost another defensive coach too.

 

[Giddyup]

Biagi is from Shelbyville Kentucky. Parker might have some pull to get the Kentucky boys in here.

 

[Giddyup]

Pretty sure Abe Lincoln was born in Kentucky too

 

[Giddyup]

I have to wonder how much of this is a result of how the OC stuff went down.

I’m not saying it completely caused this, but it probably also didn’t have zero effect.

Hell, if I were one of our coaches, I’d be rethinking things right now too. We seem to be in complete disarray - they need to figure this shit out fast.

Let it go. It’s over. Geez

 

[Giddyup]

It seems like there are more coaching positions to fill. Lot more NFL movement it seems. Did they up the grad assistant/analyst numbers too?

 

[IrishLion]

No. Guys are leaving for promotions/career advancement. This happens in the private sector all the time, and people get excited for the people moving on and up.

Al Golden came because of Marcus Freeman. The only reason Matt Luke interviewed with ND was specifically because of Marcus Freeman. Coaches like, and are excited by, Freeman. Could that change once he's become more established? Sure. But for now, it's definitely not the case.

My galaxy-brain take is that all the (potential) turnover is because Freeman might already be doing more to help/encourage his guys to go after bigger and better opportunities than BK did.

No info, just a theory.

 

[ColinKSU]

Notre Dame Keep an Assistant for More than One Season Challenge (Difficulty: Impossible)

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Can we all just admit that everything has gone south since Sea Turtle kept telling us that all would be well

 

[BeauBenken]

We won the match up in the bowl game, but Pete Lembo at SC is well respected.

 

[IrishLion]

We won the match up in the bowl game, but Pete Lembo at SC is well respected.

That was my first thought this morning… steal the dude from SC and don’t miss a beat lol

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Honest question. Is it possible just nobody wants to work for Marcus? Feel like this is a ton of turnover.

I said this when james laurinaitis left and look at the fall out after that..now, with that being said, I don't see issue with guys jumping to the NFL thats exactly what the players are trying to do, its the top of the mountain.

Outside of 4/5 others schools or a some major loot, I don't think we should be losing coaches to other colleges, but the NFL is different.

 

[irishog77]

I will say that one of the advantages of coaches who were long-time players, long-time assistants , or prior head coaches is that their rolodex is bigger.

Doesn't necessarily mean their rolodex is better though. But I have to think MF's coaching searches have to be somewhat taxing on him. I think it's probably part of the gig as a HC that you can't really be prepared for- as you you've never really had hiring and firing duties before. Probably another reason many coaches are content to remain assistant coaches rather than be a head coach- you can focus on coaching instead of having to be a part time HR director as well.

 

[Old Man Mike]

 

[irishog77]

We won the match up in the bowl game, but Pete Lembo at SC is well respected.

I like it.

Like sometimes finding disciples of certain QB or offensive coaches, may not be a bad idea to look for Beamer disciples for ST coaches either.

 

[notredomer23]

Stuckey would be a major bummer. Give me one more year plz

 

[1219Booopa]

Good for Brian Mason and him going to the NFL is great for ND because its going to make that job much more attractive.

 

[Free Manera]

When the NFL comes calling, you go. You work half as much. You don't have to recruit. You coach professionals. It's a no brainer and it's going to keep happening because the CFB coach lifestyle just keeps getting worse.

Lloyd and Prister both saying Biaggi will be the top candidate if Mason leaves.

 

[Henges24]

Good for BM. That was a fun year of special teams especially after the torture of the BP years.

 

[Plankton]

I suppose that it's good that the coaching staff is in demand and viewed highly by outside organizations.

The continuity aspect is an issue, though, especially for a young head coach. Hope that any open positions bring talented candidates.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

Completely disagree. The coaches that have left, or are rumored to be leaving, are ALL leaving for promotions. The OC search has no effect on coaches wanting to advance their careers.

NO effect?

I think that’s just flat out wrong. You can be happy in your current position but can finally decide to make a change because of some recent changes within an organization.

To basically claim that this would happen no matter what feels like blissful ignorance to me. Again, I’m not saying it wouldn’t have happened, but I’m sure the recent changes had SOME impact.

 

[stlnd01]

Stuckey would be a major bummer. Give me one more year plz

Yep. Stuckey's the one here. Hang on to him.
Mason's great but that was never gonna last forever. O'Leary seems fine but replaceable.
Stuckey transformed our WR recruiting in like two weeks, and I'd love to see what he can do with these young guys for a year or two. Hopefully he does too.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

Yep. Stuckey's the one here. Hang on to him.
Mason's great but that was never gonna last forever. O'Leary seems fine but replaceable.
Stuckey transformed our WR recruiting in like two weeks, and I'd love to see what he can do with these young guys for a year or two. Hopefully he does too.

Agree with this. Among the set of current position coaches, Stuckey would be the biggest loss.

Feels like our WRs are finally right on the verge.

 

[Free Manera]

NO effect?

I think that’s just flat out wrong. You can be happy in your current position but can finally decide to make a change because of some recent changes within an organization.

To basically claim that this would happen no matter what feels like blissful ignorance to me. Again, I’m not saying it wouldn’t have happened, but I’m sure the recent changes had SOME impact.

I get what you're saying, lots of variables involved. But it had no effect.

The lifestyle of an NFL coach vs. a college coach is night and day different. NFL coaches basically work from July to January. During the offseason, they are literally off with little to no obligations.

College coaches work from July to January too. Then they proceed to work from January to July traveling across the country, calling and texting, zooming, etc. to recruit 16-18 year old kids.

Now you have to add in the NIL component which just provides further complexity and stress.

Oh and how you do during the "offseason" basically decides the future of your career.

So you are presented with these two options and sit down with your family to discuss. In order to stay at ND, you basically need to decide that all the additional stress and work will have some profound effect on the future of your career. For most guys, that's not going to be the case.

 

[KPENN]

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[NDpendent]

It would suck to loose him but this is a good look for Marcus Freeman. Coaches want to play for coaches where they can get promoted, the Colts job would be a huge promotion for BM and this should attract other talented coaches that want to move up the food chain.