Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[forkbeard3777]

Not to sound like a broken record, but I predicted them to lose 4 or 5 games this year. We’ve got considerable talent discrepancies on the defensive side of the ball (82nd last year in total defense and currently 69th) and we simply don’t have the players to compete. That’s on Kelly, in year 3, to get. We’ve missed out in the portal / NIL, but in his defense, the recruiting has been pretty top notch as of late.

Kelly took over a LSU program that Orgeron left in a very rough state. I assume he thought the rebuild would be quicker — we all thought the same. Most fans are pretty pissed after last night … we lack toughness, aggression, moxy, and swagger. That’s unusual and acceptable for LSU — this isn’t janky-assed Tennessee. That’s not acceptable

Kelly, sadly, I think can correct the program to a certain degree, but his limitations are cemented at this point. He’ll never get us back to the promised land.

 

[FU BK]

I read something last month or so about something with the state tax in Louisiana and how it was going to leave LSU 250 million short on their budget. Said academic programs were at risk, but not athletics. Have to imagine they'd have a hard time with the buyout if that is the case.

 

[arrowryan]

Not to sound like a broken record, but I predicted them to lose 4 or 5 games this year. We’ve got considerable talent discrepancies on the defensive side of the ball (82nd last year in total defense and currently 69th) and we simply don’t have the players to compete. That’s on Kelly, in year 3, to get. We’ve missed out in the portal / NIL, but in his defense, the recruiting has been pretty top notch as of late.

Kelly took over a LSU program that Orgeron left in a very rough state. I assume he thought the rebuild would be quicker — we all thought the same. Most fans are pretty pissed after last night … we lack toughness, aggression, moxy, and swagger. That’s unusual and acceptable for LSU — this isn’t janky-assed Tennessee. That’s not acceptable

Kelly, sadly, I think can correct the program to a certain degree, but his limitations are cemented at this point. He’ll never get us back to the promised land.

Last night was classic BK. Under performing in a ranked matchup.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Last night was classic BK. Under performing in a ranked matchup.

Under performing is putting it slightly. It was a massacre 😂

 

[Wild Bill]

LSU isn't firing him without a sure bet hire in place and I don't think that even exists outside of Saban. SEC is wide open next year. They'll roll with Kelly and hope he can overcome his challenges, like we did in 2016.

 

[Fbolt]

Not to sound like a broken record, but I predicted them to lose 4 or 5 games this year. We’ve got considerable talent discrepancies on the defensive side of the ball (82nd last year in total defense and currently 69th) and we simply don’t have the players to compete. That’s on Kelly, in year 3, to get. We’ve missed out in the portal / NIL, but in his defense, the recruiting has been pretty top notch as of late.

Kelly took over a LSU program that Orgeron left in a very rough state. I assume he thought the rebuild would be quicker — we all thought the same. Most fans are pretty pissed after last night … we lack toughness, aggression, moxy, and swagger. That’s unusual and acceptable for LSU — this isn’t janky-assed Tennessee. That’s not acceptable

Kelly, sadly, I think can correct the program to a certain degree, but his limitations are cemented at this point. He’ll never get us back to the promised land.

Rationalizing away a season (or three) is something this board is extremely comfortable with. Enjoy.

 

[ColinKSU]

I don’t think LSU can afford the buy out. At this point, you’d be rolling the dice to part ways as well. It isn’t like they aren’t bowl eligible … parting ways and LSU can potentially grab a Napier and that would be disastrous.

I also don’t see Kelly going into TV. He’s too sterile and unlikable. Say what you will about Saban, he’s shown he does have a personality. We’ve seen pieces of Kelly’s dry humor, but he doesn’t command the respect that Saban does from a coaching standpoint.

They could always steal more money from their children’s hospital.

LSU booster gets 33 months for embezzlement

John Paul Funes was sentenced to 33 months in federal prison after pleading guilty to embezzling more than $500,000 from a hospital foundation and giving some to parents of two former LSU players.

www.espn.com

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I don’t think LSU can afford the buy out. At this point, you’d be rolling the dice to part ways as well. It isn’t like they aren’t bowl eligible … parting ways and LSU can potentially grab a Napier and that would be disastrous.

I also don’t see Kelly going into TV. He’s too sterile and unlikable. Say what you will about Saban, he’s shown he does have a personality. We’ve seen pieces of Kelly’s dry humor, but he doesn’t command the respect that Saban does from a coaching standpoint.

I'm not saying he'll be on game day, but if Bob Davie and Mullen can get TV gigs, so can Kelly.

 

[irishandy]

I think after this year BK's seat gets hot and if he doesn't produce next season he is gone.

BK's moto will always be that he cannot win a big game.

What was ND's problem is now LSU's.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

He’s got major Bob Stoops vibes

For all his blunders, Stoops won a natty and like 5 or so NY6 type bowl games.

There is literally no other coach of his perceived pedigree and prestige level who didn’t win a meaningful bowl game. He is in a class all by himself.


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[forkbeard3777]

I think after this year BK's seat gets hot and if he doesn't produce next season he is gone.

BK's moto will always be that he cannot win a big game.

What was ND's problem is now LSU's.

But he’s shown he can win big games from time to time at LSU (Alabama, Ole Miss). He’s also shown that he can (and typically does) lose more of those big games than he wins.

The truth is, he only needs to win enough to get into the playoffs, which I believe he can. Will it be every year? No. But that’s the threshold. Can you be one of the top 12 teams?

 

[thekid33]

we lack toughness, aggression, moxy, and swagger

Kelly, sadly, I think can correct the program to a certain degree, but his limitations are cemented at this point

We've been there, buddy.

You guys did us a favor.

 

[GoldenAura]

I get the feeling that BK is just banking on Underwood saving his job (assuming he even makes it to LSU). However, if he couldn’t win anything meaningful with Jayden Daniels, I’m not sure how that would go any differently.

 

[TheProspector]

But he’s shown he can win big games from time to time at LSU (Alabama, Ole Miss). He’s also shown that he can (and typically does) lose more of those big games than he wins.

The truth is, he only needs to win enough to get into the playoffs, which I believe he can. Will it be every year? No. But that’s the threshold. Can you be one of the top 12 teams?

I see you’re still at the bargaining stage with BK. IE will be here for you when you hit the depression stage.

 

[irishandy]

But he’s shown he can win big games from time to time at LSU (Alabama, Ole Miss). He’s also shown that he can (and typically does) lose more of those big games than he wins.

The truth is, he only needs to win enough to get into the playoffs, which I believe he can. Will it be every year? No. But that’s the threshold. Can you be one of the top 12 teams?

He had a chance to knock Bama out of the playoffs last night & didn't.

 

[Irish5Saint]

Under performing is putting it slightly. It was a massacre 😂

You should have 5 losses (Ole Miss pissed their pants and Scar had the refs bail you out)

 

[forkbeard3777]

I see you’re still at the bargaining stage with BK. IE will be here for you when you hit the depression stage.

Please. This is nothing. I dealt with Hallman and DiNardo.

 

[forkbeard3777]

You should have 5 losses (Ole Miss pissed their pants and Scar had the refs bail you out)

But we don’t. We could have/should have beaten USC, shot our selves in the foot against A&M and could have put them away in the first half, but didn’t … kinda funny how football works.

We were certainly ill prepared last night however. I don’t know what the hell they practiced and prepared for for the past 2 weeks.

 

[arrowryan]

But we don’t. We could have/should have beaten USC, shot our selves in the foot against A&M and could have put them away in the first half, but didn’t … kinda funny how football works.

We were certainly ill prepared last night however. I don’t know what the hell they practiced and prepared for for the past 2 weeks.

It’s hard to “shoulda, coulda, woulda” a 24 point ass whooping

 

[forkbeard3777]

It’s hard to “shoulda, coulda, woulda” a 24 point ass whooping

Where did I say that?

 

[irish4ever]

There’s no way they fire him. He is owed entirely too much money. So that means we get to watch him lose more.

Keep him, it's everyone's benefit! Typical response after the game ... "didn't play up to LSU standards"! Sound familiar .... replace ND for LSU and it's the same as we heard before! What a douche bag!!!

 

[dankgesang]

Today's press conference was some dire watching, boy. He's best when his back is against the wall but holy god the man looks cooked.

 

[NDPhilly]

I hate BK as much as the next guy, but they really lost a shit ton of players the year Coach O left. He's recruited well, and this year was really supposed to be a rebuilding year anyway after losing Jayden, Nabers, and Brian Thomas. Next year will be the real tell IMO - they need to make the playoffs or his ass will be on fire.

247 class rank by year:
2022 (salvaged class): 12
2023: 6
2024: 7
2025 (currently): 4

 

[IrishLax]

I hate BK as much as the next guy, but they really lost a shit ton of players the year Coach O left. He's recruited well, and this year was really supposed to be a rebuilding year anyway after losing Jayden, Nabers, and Brian Thomas. Next year will be the real tell IMO - they need to make the playoffs or his ass will be on fire.

247 class rank by year:
2022 (salvaged class): 12
2023: 6
2024: 7
2025 (currently): 4

Isn't the issue though that in the era of NIL/transfer portal there isn't an excuse not to be able to rebuild in ~2 years max? Like he left ND with *insane* holes and Freeman soldiered through a year with Pyne before overhauling the roster as best he could. Also look at what Cignetti did at Indiana of all places.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Isn't the issue though that in the era of NIL/transfer portal there isn't an excuse not to be able to rebuild in ~2 years max? Like he left ND with *insane* holes and Freeman soldiered through a year with Pyne before overhauling the roster as best he could. Also look at what Cignetti did at Indiana of all places.

And last year he had a filthy roster skill position wise with a possible historical offense and he mucked that up. Fact is, he is always a year or two away. Something is always missing. He is simply a good, not elite coach and that just won't cut it.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I almost feel bad for the guy(but not really...). Things can always turn around, but at the moment, it looks like he effed up royally by ditching ND for seemingly greener pastures. He might not make it past this year. Imagine if he loses to Vandy, then what is he going to do? Dude's 63, is he going to start again somewhere else?

Really impossible to feel bad for a guy who's guaranteed $100M even if he sucks at his job lol. I don't fault BK for leaving, honestly. He gave it a full decade and change here, never fully worked out, but he got us on level footing again, and someone threw a massive bag at him. He took it, his choice, good for him. And we are as competitive now as we were most years he was here.

 

[IrishLion]

Isn't the issue though that in the era of NIL/transfer portal there isn't an excuse not to be able to rebuild in ~2 years max? Like he left ND with *insane* holes and Freeman soldiered through a year with Pyne before overhauling the roster as best he could. Also look at what Cignetti did at Indiana of all places.

It's wild that Indiana lost Brendan Sorsby (frosh starter at QB) to UC, and haven't missed a beat because they just went out and grabbed Kurtis Rourke. Even though their schedule is ass, they've pretty much handled their business the way a good team should against a bad schedule. Mostly blowouts, and a few two-score wins when they had to battle. They'd probably be even better on offense with Sorsby. Will be very telling how it goes on 11/23 weekend again OSU.

I also once petitioned that ND should maybe go after Rourke two years ago if they whiffed on Hartman, because Rourke was playing injured at Ohio, which affected his production, and wouldn't be getting any looks... but was clearly too good a QB to stay at Ohio for all 5 years if he got healthy. I thought ND could grab a rare multi-year starter at QB in the portal, but who knows how he would've survived playing for Parker. Not quite the seasoned vet that Hartman was.

 

[Katzenboyer]

I hate BK as much as the next guy, but they really lost a shit ton of players the year Coach O left. He's recruited well, and this year was really supposed to be a rebuilding year anyway after losing Jayden, Nabers, and Brian Thomas. Next year will be the real tell IMO - they need to make the playoffs or his ass will be on fire.

247 class rank by year:
2022 (salvaged class): 12
2023: 6
2024: 7
2025 (currently): 4

1. Those recruiting numbers aren't on par with the expectations set at LSU. The three classes before Kelly got there were ranked 4, 4 and 3.

2. This year's class looks great - as long as he hangs onto Underwood, Pickett, and Meadows. That's no sure thing.

3. Ed O and Les Miles won the national title in each's third year at LSU. Nick Saban won the title in his fourth. That's what Kelly is being measured against.

And Lax's point is a good one: it shouldn't take three years to turn around a program that's situated in one of the most fertile recruiting areas in the country and as committed to NIL as LSU is. There really isn't any excuse for Kelly beyond that his teams can't beat other good teams.

 

[PNW Irishman]

I hate BK as much as the next guy, but they really lost a shit ton of players the year Coach O left. He's recruited well, and this year was really supposed to be a rebuilding year anyway after losing Jayden, Nabers, and Brian Thomas. Next year will be the real tell IMO - they need to make the playoffs or his ass will be on fire.

247 class rank by year:
2022 (salvaged class): 12
2023: 6
2024: 7
2025 (currently): 4

LSU will be losing two first round offensive tackles and a top 15 pick lb after this year. I suppose that’ll be the reason they will be a year away next year?

 

[Kingbish01]

BK is BK....Not much more needs to be said. We have 12 years of data on the guy, and nobody is sad he's gone.