Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[rtrn2glory]

Espn has an article trying to bash BK for how he reacted during the press conference but I actually like his comments.... He takes everything as it is and said pretty much the obvious they're more athletic and we have to change that if we want to compete.. Not sure it it'll ever happen but they made the proper changes in the line of scrimmage so now just have to hope that we can miraculously do the same with the skill positions.

Going to be an interesting spring. It's officially the off-season the worst 7 months of the year

 

[IrishTusker]

I believe OSU has signed 14 5 stars since 2017. ND offered 12 of them. How can that be if academics are imposing this huge limit upon the program? Are ND coaches offering players who they expect admissions will reject?

In my view the problem is principally coaching. Maybe resources.

 

[irishff1014]

You can't tell me that ND admissions don't let some kids slide through that are borderline that also happen to be from families that are generational boosters.

Top end football players shouldn't be any different. They make the school just as much money with their hard work on the field.

Mike Goolsby was talking about this on the B&G wrap up show after the game. Talking about his frustrations with the state of our recruiting he said something along the lines of "Notre Dame isn't a hard school, getting into Notre Dame is the hard part. We aren't talking about MIT here." He went on to talk about how while he was being recruited by ND he had a 2.5 GPA, and he was able to manage his class load just fine.

He said he has talked with current staff members about potential recruits. He trains high school aged players. He said he'll bring up some player he knows that's a stud and the staff will tell him they can't touch the player because he has a 2.9 GPA. He says the staff is forced to pass over players that aren't home runs academically.

One other thing he danced around right after, that I think is actually a really great point is the players motivations. When you only recruit players that have high test scores and come from generally a very similar socioeconomic background you're missing the recruits that these top tier programs get that are extremely motivated by thinking football is their way out. You're not going to get the same commitment and drive from someone that isn't as willing to put their body on the line. He talked about how he noticed a lack of emotion on our sideline after the loss.

I would put money on it even Goolsby doesn’t know the whole story. So he uses his platform to run his yap.


And you all should know in this soft society you can’t do for one that you would do for the other. This will cause issues with discrimination (like we need to hear more of this bullshit) and end up in lawsuits. So where exactly did that get you? No where but on the front page to be blasted.

 

[Ndaccountant]

BK is a really good coach. Saban, Dabo, and the entire OSU staff is elite. But one thing is certain for me....the soft schedule perpetuates post season disappointment. ND beat the Clemson team that played, buts its pretty clear it wasn't a top notch team. We were fooled thru November. We need better tests to know where we stand. Looks like 22 and 23 will tell us just that.

 

[IrishTusker]

You can't tell me that ND admissions don't let some kids slide through that are borderline that also happen to be from families that are generational boosters.

Top end football players shouldn't be any different. They make the school just as much money with their hard work on the field.

I think everyone knows legacies who are not admitted. Being a legacy (just like being an athlete) does not guarantee admission, although it is of course a plus in both cases. That said, your underlying point is correct.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Brian Kelly Revisited

It is important to believe in your team and trust your process, but the stubborn mindset of WE ARE GOING TO PLAY OUR GAME is frustrating in these matchups.

BK still seems to play into the hands of superior opponents by giving them exactly what they want from him: a belief his team will execute, and present no deviations from his season long formula.

Thats a nice attitude to have, but frankly, you arent beating any of the holy trinity of CFB teams that way. Past performances absolutely can be an indicator of future ones, and its time to accept that by making appropriate changes for big games.

The only argument is bUt THaT cOuLd BlOw uP iN hIs FaCe, and I fail to see how thats different than what is currently happening in these matchups. At the end of the day, the loss yesterday has no optical advantage a 54-27 loss would have had.

I also think Saban likes BK, and subtly adjusted his game plan quite early to keep it convincing, but not the obliteration he could have made it. They basically cracked the code right away, and sat back.

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[Free Manera]

It is important to believe in your team and trust your process, but the stubborn mindset of WE ARE GOING TO PLAY OUR GAME is frustrating in these matchups.

BK still seems to play into the hands of superior opponents by giving them exactly what they want from him: a belief his team will execute, and present no deviations from his season long formula.

Thats a nice attitude to have, but frankly, you arent beating any of the holy trinity of CFB teams that way. Past performances absolutely can be an indicator of future ones, and its time to accept that by making appropriate changes for big games.

The only argument is bUt THaT cOuLd BlOw uP iN hIs FaCe, and I fail to see how thats different than what is currently happening in these matchups.

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I agree I think you need to recognize your are a 20 point dog for a reason. Vegas is smarter than everyone. So recognize their roster is a lot more talented and athletic. Then you need to figure out some equalizers.

Basically you need to play like Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma. Trick plays and different looks. Go for it on 4th down.

You aren’t lining up and beating them. Their players are too much better than yours. NFL studs vs nice college players.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Brian Kelly Revisited

I agree I think you need to recognize your are a 20 point dog for a reason. Vegas is smarter than everyone. So recognize their roster is a lot more talented and athletic. Then you need to figure out some equalizers.

Basically you need to play like Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma. Trick plays and different looks. Go for it on 4th down.

You aren’t lining up and beating them. Their players are too much better than yours. NFL studs vs nice college players.

I almost mentioned Boise. You are absolutely right. Agree 100%

You dont need to implement a flying circus to make that happen, but you cant provide the milquetoast looks we did all game


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[phork]

This about sums it up.

https://fb.watch/2Mf0mjG3zO/

 

[gkIrish]

It is important to believe in your team and trust your process, but the stubborn mindset of WE ARE GOING TO PLAY OUR GAME is frustrating in these matchups.

BK still seems to play into the hands of superior opponents by giving them exactly what they want from him: a belief his team will execute, and present no deviations from his season long formula.

Thats a nice attitude to have, but frankly, you arent beating any of the holy trinity of CFB teams that way. Past performances absolutely can be an indicator of future ones, and its time to accept that by making appropriate changes for big games.

The only argument is bUt THaT cOuLd BlOw uP iN hIs FaCe, and I fail to see how thats different than what is currently happening in these matchups. At the end of the day, the loss yesterday has no optical advantage a 54-27 loss would have had.

I also think Saban likes BK, and subtly adjusted his game plan quite early to keep it convincing, but not the obliteration he could have made it. They basically cracked the code right away, and sat back.

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Absolutely spot on. Wanted to post something like this yesterday but couldn't find the right words. He is stubborn and believes it's about execution. Must be the players' fault.

Prime example... End of the first half Bama finally has a big negative play and it's 3rd and long with 1:30ish left. You absolutely have to call a timeout there to try and get the ball back with over a minute on the clock. Bama is getting the ball to start the second half. BK is either too stupid to call the timeout or he thinks he is going to get the team fixed at halftime. I'll assume it's the latter.

He has this total disconnect from reality. I actually think beating Clemson earlier this year was probably the worst thing that could have happened because it made BK think we can beat the Clemson and Bamas of the world without some creativity.

 

[gkIrish]

You're allowed to have that opinion. People in Knoxville TN and Austin TX sure did.

There's this mentality going around that literally no one besides Brian Kelly could lead this program to consistent success given 11-12 years to do so and that getting rid of him will somehow be the end of good Notre Dame football. I refuse to believe that.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results". That's where we are as a program. Kudos to him for getting to this point but what are we doing here fellas?

 

[phork]

Absolutely spot on. Wanted to post something like this yesterday but couldn't find the right words. He is stubborn and believes it's about execution. Must be the players' fault.

Prime example... End of the first half Bama finally has a big negative play and it's 3rd and long with 1:30ish left. You absolutely have to call a timeout there to try and get the ball back with over a minute on the clock. Bama is getting the ball to start the second half. BK is either too stupid to call the timeout or he thinks he is going to get the team fixed at halftime. I'll assume it's the latter.

He has this total disconnect from reality. I actually think beating Clemson earlier this year was probably the worst thing that could have happened because it made BK think we can beat the Clemson and Bamas of the world without some creativity.

Add in not deferring to the second half. That one has me puzzled.

 

[gkIrish]

Add in not deferring to the second half. That one has me puzzled.

Yes. I was furious.

 

[irishff1014]

Absolutely spot on. Wanted to post something like this yesterday but couldn't find the right words. He is stubborn and believes it's about execution. Must be the players' fault.

Prime example... End of the first half Bama finally has a big negative play and it's 3rd and long with 1:30ish left. You absolutely have to call a timeout there to try and get the ball back with over a minute on the clock. Bama is getting the ball to start the second half. BK is either too stupid to call the timeout or he thinks he is going to get the team fixed at halftime. I'll assume it's the latter.

He has this total disconnect from reality. I actually think beating Clemson earlier this year was probably the worst thing that could have happened because it made BK think we can beat the Clemson and Bamas of the world without some creativity.

You are exactly right when it comes to reality he sees through his eyes. Different worlds.

 

[gkIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I support ND and want to honor my former coaches, but to attribute todays loss to a lack of “talent” would be irresponsible. If you would like to believe that lie, and it helps you sleep at night, then you are entitled to. But it is simply not the truth.</p>— Cam McDaniel (@cammcdaniel33) <a href="https://twitter.com/cammcdaniel33/status/1345184865772298244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NDMatt91]

This was all pretty enlightening, but the bolded is a red flag. You can't expect to beat the football factories by self imposing restrictions like this.

IIRC, Louis Nix had a 2.5 GPA in HS. I highly doubt he scored a perfect (or near perfect) score on his SAT and his GPA was overlooked. How we cannot take more quality students with a 3.0 who don’t bomb their SAT with offers from Duke, Vandy, etc. is beyond me.

 

[IrishRazor82]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I support ND and want to honor my former coaches, but to attribute todays loss to a lack of “talent” would be irresponsible. If you would like to believe that lie, and it helps you sleep at night, then you are entitled to. But it is simply not the truth.</p>— Cam McDaniel (@cammcdaniel33) <a href="https://twitter.com/cammcdaniel33/status/1345184865772298244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Cam's too close to the forest if he believes that.

 

[phork]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I support ND and want to honor my former coaches, but to attribute todays loss to a lack of “talent” would be irresponsible. If you would like to believe that lie, and it helps you sleep at night, then you are entitled to. But it is simply not the truth.</p>— Cam McDaniel (@cammcdaniel33) <a href="https://twitter.com/cammcdaniel33/status/1345184865772298244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It simply is true Cam.

 

[ThePiombino]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I support ND and want to honor my former coaches, but to attribute todays loss to a lack of “talent” would be irresponsible. If you would like to believe that lie, and it helps you sleep at night, then you are entitled to. But it is simply not the truth.</p>— Cam McDaniel (@cammcdaniel33) <a href="https://twitter.com/cammcdaniel33/status/1345184865772298244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Cam's too close to the forest if he believes that.

Funny coming from a guy who wouldn't sniff the field at any of the football factories. The fact that someone of Cam's skill level getting as much burn as he did is kind of part of the problem here.

 

[notredomer23]

The talent is there on the lines and the tight ends to compete. Probably RBs too and maybe LBs. You’d think a former player would be able to tell that ND’s WRs, DBs outside Hamilton, and QB are at best mid tier power 5 talents at the moment.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

It simply is true Cam.

Cam talking about how talent doesn't matter is Joe Schmidt level ironic.

Would love to see Cam hurdle Nick full speed.

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[irishff1014]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I support ND and want to honor my former coaches, but to attribute todays loss to a lack of “talent” would be irresponsible. If you would like to believe that lie, and it helps you sleep at night, then you are entitled to. But it is simply not the truth.</p>— Cam McDaniel (@cammcdaniel33) <a href="https://twitter.com/cammcdaniel33/status/1345184865772298244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He is half right. Talent is still pry of the problem but so is coaching.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

I agree I think you need to recognize your are a 20 point dog for a reason. Vegas is smarter than everyone. So recognize their roster is a lot more talented and athletic. Then you need to figure out some equalizers.

Basically you need to play like Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma. Trick plays and different looks. Go for it on 4th down.

You aren’t lining up and beating them. Their players are too much better than yours. NFL studs vs nice college players.

I thought the same thing, but in terms of defense. I thought if there was any chance of winning this game, it was that our defense came out in some exotic new formation, Bama would be confused, and then our offense would limit possessions so they didn't have enough opportunities to test the new defense.

Once we lined up for our first defensive snap and we were in our regular defense, I knew the game was over.

 

[NorthDakota]

I thought the same thing, but in terms of defense. I thought if there was any chance of winning this game, it was that our defense came out in some exotic new formation, Bama would be confused, and then our offense would limit possessions so they didn't have enough opportunities to test the new defense.

Once we lined up for our first defensive snap and we were in our regular defense, I knew the game was over.

I understand the idea of giving teams some new looks or breaking tendencies....but you can't install some new defense in two weeks and expect your guys to execute.

 

[Irishize]

I understand the idea of giving teams some new looks or breaking tendencies....but you can't install some new defense in two weeks and expect your guys to execute.

Exactly. They truly only had five days of practice from what I heard on one of the pods. They could add some twists but you’re right...you can’t install a new scheme in that amount of time especially when what they ran the first ten games was so effective.

I think the ACC was pretty terrible this year in hindsight...even Clemson as far as their typical elite status. Not ND’s fault but gave an inflated idea of who great they were IMO. OSU absolutely dominated Clemson...specifically that porous OL which had no problem in round 2 vs ND.

 

[Old Man Mike]

NFLers vs "nice college boys" ...

Well, OK. Let's see --- our defense, considering the expectations, did pretty much its job. After a couple of early glitches, they made things hard on Alabama. Even Saban said that he wasn't happy about that.

SO, offense --- Let me name some names: Eichenberg, Banks, Kraemer, Mayer, KWilliams. All of those guys will go to the League. Hainsey will too. That's six "nice boys" out of eleven. Any of them are happy, every play, to mano-a-mano and knock your a$$ into the stands.

So, what's not on the list PASS RECEIVERS who can get open!!!!

Geez. Can we quit bullshitting about things which were NOT the core issue?

 

[Free Manera]

NFLers vs "nice college boys" ...

Well, OK. Let's see --- our defense, considering the expectations, did pretty much its job. After a couple of early glitches, they made things hard on Alabama. Even Saban said that he wasn't happy about that.

SO, offense --- Let me name some names: Eichenberg, Banks, Kraemer, Mayer, KWilliams. All of those guys will go to the League. Hainsey will too. That's six "nice boys" out of eleven. Any of them are happy, every play, to mano-a-mano and knock your a$$ into the stands.

So, what's not on the list PASS RECEIVERS who can get open!!!!

Geez. Can we quit bullshitting about things which were NOT the core issue?

You need to add cornerbacks and pass rushers to the list and then it’s reasonable.

O line and TE recruit themselves at ND and have never been the issue. But the speed on offense an defense is non existent and will lose games essentially every time against top teams.

Edit: and a quarterback

 

[IrishSteelhead]

You need to add cornerbacks and pass rushers to the list and then it’s reasonable.

O line and TE recruit themselves at ND and have never been the issue. But the speed on offense an defense is non existent and will lose games essentially every time against top teams.

Edit: and a quarterback

Agree. If we want to be Iowa or Wisconsin, keep hanging your hat solely on a solid o-line and tight ends. But if you want more, you need more.

In regards to the o-line and tight end (singular) yesterday, they did a fine job. We were able to run the ball with some success, and Mayer is Mike Ditka Jr, so theres that.


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[sharksamardzija8345]

If we want to be 9-3 or 10-2 each year and every couple years make it into the CFP to get smacked, BK is the guy. He will most assuredly win you every game you're supposed to and have his team scared out of their minds in any meaningful spotlight matchup. Is he just mentally weak and that attitude rubs off on the team in these big games?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I thought the same thing, but in terms of defense. I thought if there was any chance of winning this game, it was that our defense came out in some exotic new formation, Bama would be confused, and then our offense would limit possessions so they didn't have enough opportunities to test the new defense.

Once we lined up for our first defensive snap and we were in our regular defense, I knew the game was over.

Our regular defense held a historically insane offense with three heisman candidates 20 points below their season AVERAGE. Our offense had to step up similarly. One did. One didn’t.