Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[IrishSteelhead]

Brian Kelly Revisited

Our regular defense held a historically insane offense with three heisman candidates 20 points below their season AVERAGE. Our offense had to step up similarly. One did. One didn’t.

To be fair, the ineptitude of the ND offense created a positive correlation for the ND defense.

Bama offense wasnt forced to go full throttle the entire second half, because the ND offense presented absolutely no threat the entire game.



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[Free Manera]

To be fair, the ineptness of the ND offense created a positive correlation for the ND defense.

Bama offense wasnt forced to go full throttle the entire second half, because the ND offense presented absolutely no threat the entire game.


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Yeah. It was a valiant effort. No doubt. But Bama could have scored whenever they wanted. It seemed clear to me even during the game that they just wanted to take the air out of the ball and get to the championship game without injuries.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

To be fair, the ineptness of the ND offense created a positive correlation for the ND defense.

Bama offense wasnt forced to go full throttle the entire second half, because the ND offense presented absolutely no threat the entire game.


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I hear your point but I agree to disagree. Saban wasn’t prowling the sideline with a smile on his face. He wasn’t happy with the results pretty much after the third possession. He was unhappy the game wasn’t over earlier. He was upset his lead was small. His quotes to reporters confirm as much. Otherwise I’d have to accept that Saban was acting and the whole game was essentially theater.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Yeah, the idea that Alabama could've scored more if they wanted and "let off the gas" is complete and utter horsesh*t.

 

[Free Manera]

I hear your point but I agree to disagree. Saban wasn’t prowling the sideline with a smile on his face. He wasn’t happy with the results pretty much after the third possession. He was unhappy the game wasn’t over earlier. He was upset his lead was small. His quotes to reporters confirm as much. Otherwise I’d have to accept that Saban was acting and the whole game was essentially theater.

I think what happened was this.

It became clear ND could not score. And that Bama could score at will. Thus in the second half they worked on some stuff. Saban wasn’t happy with their execution. He wasn’t acting. He wanted better blocks, better angles, etc. but they weren’t calling an aggressive game anymore at that point.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I hear your point but I agree to disagree. Saban wasn’t prowling the sideline with a smile on his face. He wasn’t happy with the results pretty much after the third possession. He was unhappy the game wasn’t over earlier. He was upset his lead was small. His quotes to reporters confirm as much. Otherwise I’d have to accept that Saban was acting and the whole game was essentially theater.

Saban doesnt break character until his team is hoisting crystal at the end of the season. Then he goes to sleep, wakes up, and the process repeats itself. He is happy for 12 hours a year.


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[GATTACA!]

And you all should know in this soft society you can’t do for one that you would do for the other. This will cause issues with discrimination (like we need to hear more of this bullshit) and end up in lawsuits. So where exactly did that get you? No where but on the front page to be blasted.

I have no idea what this is even supposed to me. So either reps or hey fuck you buddy.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I think what happened was this.

It became clear ND could not score. And that Bama could score at will. Thus in the second half they worked on some stuff. Saban wasn’t happy with their execution. He wasn’t acting. He wanted better blocks, better angles, etc. but they weren’t calling an aggressive game anymore at that point.

I’m guessing he was ok with not scoring to end the first half and then not scoring on the opening drive second half of when it could have been 35-7. After the first 14 points the rest came off defensive breakdowns. I’m not seeing how a coach would take the gas off halfway through the game and he gets pissed his team didn’t lock up the victory early. Makes zero sense.

 

[Free Manera]

I’m guessing he was ok with not scoring to end the first half and then not scoring on the opening drive second half of when it could have been 35-7. After the first 14 points the rest came off defensive breakdowns. I’m not seeing how a coach would take the gas off halfway through the game and he gets pissed his team didn’t lock up the victory early. Makes zero sense.

Dude. They could have run Devonta down the seam and scored 42 more points. No one could run with him and ND couldn’t get to the quarterback.

 

[NorthDakota]

I’m guessing he was ok with not scoring to end the first half and then not scoring on the opening drive second half of when it could have been 35-7. After the first 14 points the rest came off defensive breakdowns. I’m not seeing how a coach would take the gas off halfway through the game and he gets pissed his team didn’t lock up the victory early. Makes zero sense.

Yeah, logically its just not compatible with the given reasoning or with what we know about Nick Saban or coaches in general.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I have and continue to be a supporter of CBK, but I simply disagree with his take about last night. The Irish have closed the gap somewhat but still have a long way to go. It appears to me he has built a team to compete in the trenches and that works against middling competition. Where he has failed is on the outside and on the back line. This Irish team would be really good if it were 7-8 years ago. But the game has changed and his apparent inability to recognize that is an issue he needs to own and fix.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Dude. They could have run Devonta down the seam and scored 42 more points. No one could run with him and ND couldn’t get to the quarterback.

Agree to disagree. If they could have they would have and put the game out of reach early.

 

[ColinKSU]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I support ND and want to honor my former coaches, but to attribute todays loss to a lack of “talent” would be irresponsible. If you would like to believe that lie, and it helps you sleep at night, then you are entitled to. But it is simply not the truth.</p>— Cam McDaniel (@cammcdaniel33) <a href="https://twitter.com/cammcdaniel33/status/1345184865772298244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Cam ...

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Yeah, logically its just not compatible with the given reasoning or with what we know about Nick Saban or coaches in general.

Hell maybe Sark has a Soft spot for CBK after all the great rivalry games against USC. Haha

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I have and continue to be a supporter of CBK, but I simply disagree with his take about last night. The Irish have closed the gap somewhat but still have a long way to go. It appears to me he has built a team to compete in the trenches and that works against middling competition. Where he has failed is on the outside and on the back line. This Irish team would be really good if it were 7-8 years ago. But the game has changed and his apparent inability to recognize that is an issue he needs to own and fix.

Right. ND isn’t innovating. They are chasing. When they get to where they want the game is gone again.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Right. ND isn’t innovating. They are chasing. When they get to where they want the game is gone again.

I don’t think Rees could have really done more to generate a vertical passing threat given what he inherited for 2020 and losing Austin and Lenzy for basically the whole season.

It does seem to be something ND has addressed in recruiting so I am hopeful we will see the offense open up since Rees will have more talent on the outside and a quarterback he groomed and picked on the recruiting trail.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Right. ND isn’t innovating. They are chasing. When they get to where they want the game is gone again.

Exactly. We have to take some risks and try to innovate and get ahead of the competition. And I think that is something that everyone (Kelly, Swarbrick, Jenkins, boosters) need to get on the same page on.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Yeah, the idea that Alabama could've scored more if they wanted and "let off the gas" is complete and utter horsesh*t.

Not in the game I was watching.

 

[NorthDakota]

I don’t think Rees could have really done more to generate a vertical passing threat given what he inherited for 2020 and losing Austin and Lenzy for basically the whole season.

It does seem to be something ND has addressed in recruiting so I am hopeful we will see the offense open up since Rees will have more talent on the outside and a quarterback he groomed and picked on the recruiting trail.

Yeah I mean...if Ian Book was the QB...its hard to see how ND can really partake in the innovation going on at the highest levels of football.

We'll see how it goes once now. But Jesus H., we need an objectively good quarterback.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I don’t think Rees could have really done more to generate a vertical passing threat given what he inherited for 2020 and losing Austin and Lenzy for basically the whole season.

It does seem to be something ND has addressed in recruiting so I am hopeful we will see the offense open up since Rees will have more talent on the outside and a quarterback he groomed and picked on the recruiting trail.

Oh absolutely. There have been some great long term changes made to the program structure. I am hopeful too that we are able to stockpile talent without generating obvious gaps in positions each cycle.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Our recruiting is still like one full star on average below Bama and Ohio St.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I have to admit and this may be some pie in the sky thinking but I do think that BK can now legit sit in front of 5 star talent and say that ND is close and you are the type o recruit we need to push us over. Can he convince these elite kids with our current on the field product, record and appearances in the playoffs?

 

[Bluto]

Yeah I mean...if Ian Book was the QB...its hard to see how ND can really partake in the innovation going on at the highest levels of football.

We'll see how it goes once now. But Jesus H., we need an objectively good quarterback.

QB has been the biggest problem with the offense the last four years. Every year Book was QB everyone was like “we don’t have a NFL caliber receiver/he doesn’t have anyone to throw to!”. My hunch is Skowroneck and McKinley will put up better testing numbers than people think.

 

[benneboy]

If we want to be 9-3 or 10-2 each year and every couple years make it into the CFP to get smacked, BK is the guy. He will most assuredly win you every game you're supposed to and have his team scared out of their minds in any meaningful spotlight matchup. Is he just mentally weak and that attitude rubs off on the team in these big games?

If you want to use real statistics for your argument instead of manipulating it to fit your narrative, then yes I'm content with winning somewhere between 10-12 games 5 of the last 6 years and all of the last 4.

 

[irishff1014]

I have to admit and this may be some pie in the sky thinking but I do think that BK can now legit sit in front of 5 star talent and say that ND is close and you are the type o recruit we need to push us over. Can he convince these elite kids with our current on the field product, record and appearances in the playoffs?

He should be doing that now. But that’s part of the recruiting that Kelly struggles with.

 

[phillyirish]

I have to admit and this may be some pie in the sky thinking but I do think that BK can now legit sit in front of 5 star talent and say that ND is close and you are the type o recruit we need to push us over. Can he convince these elite kids with our current on the field product, record and appearances in the playoffs?

We just need to string some top 5 classes together and we can be there. This was a super physical team, that just was woefully undermanned on the outside.

We are one of 8 teams with multiple CFP appearances. Now we are one of only two of those teams without a win, but at least we aren’t 0-4 Oklahoma.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Re: I have no suggestions as to what to do. I love BV but

User Logo T3Tiger® posted 2 hours ago
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BV is lights out when it’s a less-talented opponent. When you get a team that can disguise some things, pick up blitzes and has a QB that can scramble, we don’t look nearly as good.

I think our DL and LB’s will continue to grow and improve. I think our secondary is a disaster. It always has been. We got decent a few years ago and then fell off again. You rarely see top teams with the blown coverages and wide open guys like with our secondary. On the other hand, it seems like our WR’s are always covered like a glove or get short YAC. We relied on a lot of short and underneath stuff this year, also partly because our OL couldn’t block anything.

I think better recruiting/coaching in the secondary could go a long way.


Read more: https://www.tigernet.com/forum/thre...at-to-do--I-love-BV-but-2050423#ixzz6iQDNvyGn

. Found this on tigernet. Sounds familiar.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

. Found this on tigernet. Sounds familiar.

Yes. Reminded me of this:

https://twitter.com/BudElliott3/status/1345352838747205632?s=19

Honestly, props to Clemson for achieving what they have with a blue chip ratio that's 20% behind the Big Three (and not that much better than ours). They've gotten a lot of mileage out of Watson and Lawrence.

And Kelly has undoubtedly outperformed every team with a better blue chip ratio other than the Big Three and Clemson. So it seems like we're clearly squeezing every ounce of potential from the kids we're getting, and it's tempting to say "we just need better recruits." But I can't help but feel like that's secondary to spending. Joining the spending arms race seems like a prerequisite for increasing your blue chip ratio, and as long as our admin isn't willing to do that, most of the hand wringing and existential angst here is totally beside the point.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I hear your point but I agree to disagree. Saban wasn’t prowling the sideline with a smile on his face. He wasn’t happy with the results pretty much after the third possession. He was unhappy the game wasn’t over earlier. He was upset his lead was small. His quotes to reporters confirm as much. Otherwise I’d have to accept that Saban was acting and the whole game was essentially theater.

Was this your first Bama game to ever watch, Cack? We can be up by 70 with 2 minutes to go and Saban's prowling the sidelines yelling, griping at players (and assistants) for even minor imperfections, having a meltdown over trivial stuff, complaining to the press about execution and mistakes, and never letting up on the grind. That's who he is. Yes, a LOT of it is theater designed to get a point across to his players, but him doing it is as sure as the sun rising in the East.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Yes. Reminded me of this:

https://twitter.com/BudElliott3/status/1345352838747205632?s=19

Honestly, props to Clemson for achieving what they have with a blue chip ratio that's 20% behind the Big Three (and not that much better than ours). They've gotten a lot of mileage out of Watson and Lawrence.

And Kelly has undoubtedly outperformed every team with a better blue chip ratio other than the Big Three and Clemson. So it seems like we're clearly squeezing every ounce of potential from the kids we're getting, and it's tempting to say "we just need better recruits." But I can't help but feel like that's secondary to spending. Joining the spending arms race seems like a prerequisite for increasing your blue chip ratio, and as long as our admin isn't willing to do that, most of the hand wringing and existential angst here is totally beside the point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247spo...s-who-can-win-a-national-title-148079661/Amp/

Found the article to go along with that graphic