Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[dad4aa]

https://twitter.com/isdupdate/status/1213484387351826433?s=21

Less than an hour before the USC game this fall, #NotreDame HC Brian Kelly used the majority of his remaining time talking with @RoccoSpindler92 & it made a huge impression on the elite 2021 Michigan OL (Premium)

Can't be true, BK doesn't put in the time on recruiting

 

[ab2cmiller]

https://twitter.com/isdupdate/status/1213484387351826433?s=21

Less than an hour before the USC game this fall, #NotreDame HC Brian Kelly used the majority of his remaining time talking with @RoccoSpindler92 & it made a huge impression on the elite 2021 Michigan OL (Premium)

Can't be true, BK doesn't put in the time on recruiting

There is a big difference between expending an hour of effort before a game and expending hours every week on a consistent basis to build relationships with recruits. Obviously spending an hour before the USC game is a good recruiting effort, but it does seem that BK isn't putting forth the hours of effort texting and calling that many other head coaches from top programs do.

 

[Irish#1]

With the season over, I think this article smells of click bait. I skimmed the article and correct me if I’m wrong but neither said they would have signed if BK was more involved did they? Maybe BK had a read on both and didn’t think they would sign regardless of his involvement.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Yeah I'm not claiming to be a veteran here by any stretch but I've been around long enough to know that you gotta take everything said from two dudes who signed with another school with a grain of salt. It's a well known fact were neg recruited across the country so those two guys can just shove it imo

 

[ab2cmiller]

Yeah I'm not claiming to be a veteran here by any stretch but I've been around long enough to know that you gotta take everything said from two dudes who signed with another school with a grain of salt. It's a well known fact were neg recruited across the country so those two guys can just shove it imo

I agree you have to take what they say with a grain of salt, but you can't automatically dismiss it either. Based upon impressions over the years, it seems consistent with BK's recruiting efforts. Rarely, if ever, does a ND signee reference the relationship with BK being a significant factor.

 

[dad4aa]

I agree you have to take what they say with a grain of salt, but you can't automatically dismiss it either. Based upon impressions over the years, it seems consistent with BK's recruiting efforts. Rarely, if ever, does a ND signee reference the relationship with BK being a significant factor.

Will agree to disagree. There have been many recruits that talk about the impact that BK had in their recruitment

 

[ab2cmiller]

Will agree to disagree. There have been many recruits that talk about the impact that BK had in their recruitment

Not trying to be a horse’s ass. Truly want to know. Did some google searches to see if anything came up. Does anyone have some names of recruits who said relationship with BK was significant factor?

 

[IrishLax]

Not trying to be a horse’s ass. Truly want to know. Did some google searches to see if anything came up. Does anyone have some names of recruits who said relationship with BK was significant factor?

Jaylon Smith.

 

[greyhammer90]

Nix described Kelly as Saban with a personality

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Not trying to be a horse’s ass. Truly want to know. Did some google searches to see if anything came up. Does anyone have some names of recruits who said relationship with BK was significant factor?

Jaylon Smith.

Off the top of my head I believe Davaris Daniels also.


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[phork]

The weirdest part of that post was complaining about run defense when by advanced stats and vanilla stats that hasn't been an issue any of the last three seasons. This year, ND's overall defense is currently #8 in FEI and likely to finish top 5ish after that Iowa State game.

It seems like that post just took all the awful crap that happened in the Michigan game and extrapolated it as a narrative for the current state of ND football.

It's like saying Don Brown's defense is elite . It sure ranks high but against good teams they get bombed.

 

[Dizzyphil]

With the season over, I think this article smells of click bait. I skimmed the article and correct me if I’m wrong but neither said they would have signed if BK was more involved did they? Maybe BK had a read on both and didn’t think they would sign regardless of his involvement.

Yeah I'm not claiming to be a veteran here by any stretch but I've been around long enough to know that you gotta take everything said from two dudes who signed with another school with a grain of salt. It's a well known fact were neg recruited across the country so those two guys can just shove it imo

I agree you have to take what they say with a grain of salt, but you can't automatically dismiss it either. Based upon impressions over the years, it seems consistent with BK's recruiting efforts. Rarely, if ever, does a ND signee reference the relationship with BK being a significant factor.

agree with all three comments...



Go look at recruits rankings and the High School's location in relationship to the college they are committed. They are either in the state or close region except for a hand-full....


ND is across the nation / coast-to-coast and now from across the 'pond' for recruits....



No way BK can be everywhere at once and if BK does a phone call or text then the argument is, "all BK did was text or call me, he didn't show up at the house"....



The only argument I would have is every kid that goes to a Notre Dame or Catholic HS should either go to ND or Boston College...

 

[IrishLax]

It's like saying Don Brown's defense is elite . It sure ranks high but against good teams they get bombed.

No, it really isn’t that.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Seems like Henning had a good relationship with Kelly. It seems when Denson left the program there was a momentary lapse in communication between ND and Henning that may have made the difference though.


https://247sports.com/college/notre...-Michigan-in-pursuit-of-AJ-Henning-141321806/


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[Luckylucci]

I think everyone just needs to keep in mind that the staff which includes BK could’ve had the #6-8 recruiting class had they chose to turnover the roster more. We’re making it sound like he’s asleep at the wheel of a car that’s going off a cliff. We just landed some incredible talent and would’ve (with an extreme amount of certainty) added more if roster turnover was more important.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I think everyone just needs to keep in mind that the staff which includes BK could’ve had the #6-8 recruiting class had they chose to turnover the roster more. We’re making it sound like he’s asleep at the wheel of a car that’s going off a cliff. We just landed some incredible talent and would’ve (with an extreme amount of certainty) added more if roster turnover was more important.

Good news is they seemed to have identified the problem and are looking to do something about it. Hopefully we'll see progress in these areas in the coming years and the talent on the roster will be considerably better.

 

[irishff1014]

I think everyone just needs to keep in mind that the staff which includes BK could’ve had the #6-8 recruiting class had they chose to turnover the roster more. We’re making it sound like he’s asleep at the wheel of a car that’s going off a cliff. We just landed some incredible talent and would’ve (with an extreme amount of certainty) added more if roster turnover was more important.

And if you want to get technical on 247 if you go by the recruit average rank we are 10th. I think some people for get about that. And if you take the long snapper off the list the average even goes up that much more.

 

[Irishize]

It's like saying Don Brown's defense is elite . It sure ranks high but against good teams they get bombed.

What put Brown on the map was what he did w/ inferior talent at BC. Everybody wanted him after 2015 despite BC being an average (at best) overall program. Same with Elko. Look what he did at WF. IIRC, they were losing games by scores of 6-0.

 

[irishandy]

So people are throwing a hissy fit because 2 kids are saying BK didn't recruit them enough?

 

[NDdomer2]

So people are throwing a hissy fit because 2 kids are saying BK didn't recruit them enough?

Of course, people aren't happy if they aren't happy

 

[BobbyMac]

So people are throwing a hissy fit because 2 kids are saying BK didn't recruit them enough?

That's not ND's only problem. The Henning article shows there was a distinct lapse when Denson was transitioning. This was reported at the time and some even thought ND was no longer recruiting him. Another problem which I used to get roasted on IE for pointing out is ND is slow to identify, evaluate and offer. They've done a better job recently identifying a handful of class "must have's" but they are still way behind where they need to be. As ND has ramped it up, so have the others. Kids are getting offered as freshmen now and even if you think it's silly, it's important. Tom Lemming agreed in the same article that ND never offers these guys before the big hitters and even Michigan.

Recruiting kids has changed since the advent of pay for play AAU basketball. The shoe companies found a way to get into football with 7v7. This is why linemen continue to behave like humans where QB's / skill position kids who grow up in the 7v7 circus act like spoiled Instagram influencers.

No need to go full GET OFF MY LAWN! about it, just embrace it and be better than the other guys.

 

[irishandy]

Of course, people aren't happy if they aren't happy

Have these unhappy people forgotten about whose coming in January/June and who they've got committed for 2021?

 

[irishandy]

That's not ND's only problem. The Henning article shows there was a distinct lapse when Denson was transitioning. This was reported at the time and some even thought ND was no longer recruiting him. Another problem which I used to get roasted on IE for pointing out is ND is slow to identify, evaluate and offer. They've done a better job recently identifying a handful of class "must have's" but they are still way behind where they need to be. As ND has ramped it up, so have the others. Kids are getting offered as freshmen now and even if you think it's silly, it's important. Tom Lemming agreed in the same article that ND never offers these guys before the big hitters and even Michigan.

Recruiting kids has changed since the advent of pay for play AAU basketball. The shoe companies found a way to get into football with 7v7. This is why linemen continue to behave like humans where QB's / skill position kids who grow up in the 7v7 circus act like spoiled Instagram influencers.

No need to go full GET OFF MY LAWN! about it, just embrace it and be better than the other guys.

I really wanted Henning in this class and read he visited campus multiple times. That used to win a kid over, but some kids you have to recruit up until they want to commit. I agree that ND has gotten better offering kids sooner, but I like the motto that it has to be a good fit for the university and the recruit. I like the direction Kelly is going with recruiting and wanting to hire home run recruiters.

I love recruiting and I agree it's changed.

 

[BobbyMac]

I really wanted Henning in this class and read he visited campus multiple times. That used to win a kid over, but some kids you have to recruit up until they want to commit. I agree that ND has gotten better offering kids sooner, but I like the motto that it has to be a good fit for the university and the recruit. I like the direction Kelly is going with recruiting and wanting to hire home run recruiters.

I love recruiting and I agree it's changed.

The combo of Denson and JJ MaCarthy NOT getting the Irish gig and going Wolverine were too much to overcome. I liked him too but he and Tyree are really the same guy to me. Henning for all his hype wasn't a big producer in HS and played a lot of RB so it's not like ND would have gotten a polished receiver. I think he'll be a gimmick guy, who you try to find a niche for like Rocket / Chip Kelly Duck. I think Tyree is a lot like that too, not convinced he'll ever be ND's #1 RB but very easily could be their #1 weapon.

In the end, I want three of these APB/track guys every two cycles. Would have loved to add Henning or Marcelus Moore to Tyree this year to team with Lenzy, Davis and hopefully Armstrong next year. I'd also find a scholarship for Cam Martinez if he likes ND on NSD. Next year, I'd keep an eye on JoJo Johnson. Local guys think he's gonna bust out with Heroh/TMP Elite 7v7 this summer.

 

[BeauBenken]

The combo of Denson and JJ MaCarthy NOT getting the Irish gig and going Wolverine were too much to overcome. I liked him too but he and Tyree are really the same guy to me. Henning for all his hype wasn't a big producer in HS and played a lot of RB so it's not like ND would have gotten a polished receiver. I think he'll be a gimmick guy, who you try to find a niche for like Rocket / Chip Kelly Duck. I think Tyree is a lot like that too, not convinced he'll ever be ND's #1 RB but very easily could be their #1 weapon.

In the end, I want three of these APB/track guys every two cycles. Would have loved to add Henning or Marcelus Moore to Tyree this year to team with Lenzy, Davis and hopefully Armstrong next year. I'd also find a scholarship for Cam Martinez if he likes ND on NSD. Next year, I'd keep an eye on JoJo Johnson. Local guys think he's gonna bust out with Heroh/TMP Elite 7v7 this summer.

I like his film, but his competition could be better. Getting out in the first round of sectionals is not reassuring.

 

[BobbyMac]

I like his film, but his competition could be better. Getting out in the first round of sectionals is not reassuring.

Guessing you want McCarthy over Buchner then?

 

[BobbyMac]

I slept thru the Shurz-Gatehouse-Gannett purchase/sales.

Will be interesting to see if this story is picked up outside of Indiana.

Which means, every one of their properties tweeting this with the bolded subheader AND THEN every retweet in the recruiting world who compete with ND... AND THEN every coach DMing this to recruits they are competing against ND for.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nobody gets every recruit they want. Here's how a few got away from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a>. <a href="https://t.co/xzM0asccKF">https://t.co/xzM0asccKF</a></p>— IndyStar Sports (@IndyStarSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/IndyStarSports/status/1214147348261212163?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish#1]

That's not ND's only problem. The Henning article shows there was a distinct lapse when Denson was transitioning. This was reported at the time and some even thought ND was no longer recruiting him. Another problem which I used to get roasted on IE for pointing out is ND is slow to identify, evaluate and offer. They've done a better job recently identifying a handful of class "must have's" but they are still way behind where they need to be. As ND has ramped it up, so have the others. Kids are getting offered as freshmen now and even if you think it's silly, it's important. Tom Lemming agreed in the same article that ND never offers these guys before the big hitters and even Michigan.

Recruiting kids has changed since the advent of pay for play AAU basketball. The shoe companies found a way to get into football with 7v7. This is why linemen continue to behave like humans where QB's / skill position kids who grow up in the 7v7 circus act like spoiled Instagram influencers.

No need to go full GET OFF MY LAWN! about it, just embrace it and be better than the other guys.

I really wanted Henning in this class and read he visited campus multiple times. That used to win a kid over, but some kids you have to recruit up until they want to commit. I agree that ND has gotten better offering kids sooner, but I like the motto that it has to be a good fit for the university and the recruit. I like the direction Kelly is going with recruiting and wanting to hire home run recruiters.

I love recruiting and I agree it's changed.

Andy hit the nail on the head. Staff is getting involved earlier, but wanting to make sure a kid is a fit before offering so as not to waste a lot of time that could have been spent on more better fits.

 

[BobbyMac]

Andy hit the nail on the head. Staff is getting involved earlier, but wanting to make sure a kid is a fit before offering so as not to waste a lot of time that could have been spent on more better fits.

Who knows if a kid is a fit as a freshman or a soph? Who knows what their GPA/Scores will be as a senior. Who knows if they will even be good enough to take on signing day. The point is, you can't wait to see if all 3 things are a go before you offer. An offer today isn't what an offer was yesterday. It holds the same value as the word commitment. All it says is, "We are officially recruiting you. Please tweet this so your friends & fam know we are showing you love."

 

[Free Manera]

On the Shamrock podcast today, Sampson spent about 15 minutes talking about the Karels SBT story. In summary:

1. Great reporting by Karels

2. It is probably true that if Kelly was involved, one of the 2 recruits from the story (I forget which) would have had a lot of interest in ND.

3. Basically from the beginning, Kelly has not been as involved in recruiting as he could/should be. Everyone knows it and has known it for a long time. This comes from many previous members of his staff.
It's kind of a mystery.

4. Kelly is a great recruiter when he wants to be.

5. There have been times where he was a great recruiter, when it was a necessity due to coaches leaving or some other circumstance. He cited the linebacker class in '13 headlined by Nyles Morgan as one that Kelly was very involved in.

6. Sampson wonders if Kelly's comments about improving recruiting were mostly to do with Kelly deciding to do more recruiting.