Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[Cali_domer]

On the Shamrock podcast today, Sampson spent about 15 minutes talking about the Karels SBT story. In summary:

1. Great reporting by Karels

2. It is probably true that if Kelly was involved, one of the 2 recruits from the story (I forget which) would have had a lot of interest in ND.

3. Basically from the beginning, Kelly has not been as involved in recruiting as he could/should be. Everyone knows it and has known it for a long time. This comes from many previous members of his staff.
It's kind of a mystery.

4. Kelly is a great recruiter when he wants to be.

5. There have been times where he was a great recruiter, when it was a necessity due to coaches leaving or some other circumstance. He cited the linebacker class in '13 headlined by Nyles Morgan as one that Kelly was very involved in.

6. Sampson wonders if Kelly's comments about improving recruiting were mostly to do with Kelly deciding to do more recruiting.

Stop hating! It is a conspiracy against Saint Kelly! Lies! Kelly walks on water!!!!

 

[NDisme]

So people are throwing a hissy fit because 2 kids are saying BK didn't recruit them enough?

It's obviously not just about these 2 kids and as they said on the podcast if it's about Kelly putting in a little extra effort stopping at McMillan and Ransom is not a good place to be. Those are two HS All Americans with massive upside

 

[BobbyMac]

On the Shamrock podcast today, Sampson spent about 15 minutes talking about the Karels SBT story. In summary:

2. It is probably true that if Kelly was involved, one of the 2 recruits from the story (I forget which) would have had a lot of interest in ND.

This is going around the ND circles and I will publicly state here that had the player in question NOT signed with the team he did, ND was NOT school #2 as reported.

No interviews at this time. Please respek my statement.

 

[Luckylucci]

FWIW, this is a small part of what we’re competing against

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[Irish#1]

Andy hit the nail on the head. Staff is getting involved earlier, but wanting to make sure a kid is a fit before offering so as not to waste a lot of time that could have been spent on more better fits.

Who knows if a kid is a fit as a freshman or a soph? Who knows what their GPA/Scores will be as a senior. Who knows if they will even be good enough to take on signing day. The point is, you can't wait to see if all 3 things are a go before you offer. An offer today isn't what an offer was yesterday. It holds the same value as the word commitment. All it says is, "We are officially recruiting you. Please tweet this so your friends & fam know we are showing you love."

I agree recruiting isn't the same today. Social media has seen to that. We are getting involved and offering kids earlier. Obviously not as early as a lot would like, but it is showing up in the more recent classes. As far as grades, you can get a pretty good idea of what kind of a student the recruit is. There are always exceptions, but if a kid has been a B student up through MS, then they are likely to be a B student in HS.

This is going around the ND circles and I will publicly state here that had the player in question NOT signed with the team he did, ND was NOT school #2 as reported.

No interviews at this time. Please respek my statement.

I had said before, there was no indication that either would have signed, which is why I wonder why so many are getting their panties in a bunch. There are very few people that know the details and variables of each recruit and why some are pursued more heavily than others.

 

[Crazy Balki]

but if a kid has been a B student up through MS, then they are likely to be a B student in HS.

I just wish that logic was consistent through college...

 

[BobbyMac]

I had said before, there was no indication that either would have signed, which is why I wonder why so many are getting their panties in a bunch. There are very few people that know the details and variables of each recruit and why some are pursued more heavily than others.

That's just it, some outlets are basically inferring that if people use deductive reasoning that one recruit would have signed had BK been all over him like a HC is supposed to be now a days, when added to how his recruitment scenario unfolded just before signing day.

 

[irishff1014]

I am sure glad we didn’t fire Kelly for John Harbaugh. He is single handily ruining the chances for his team. Terrible clock management and 2 terrible calls to go for it on 4th down.

 

[Cali_domer]

I am sure glad we didn’t fire Kelly for John Harbaugh. He is single handily ruining the chances for his team. Terrible clock management and 2 terrible calls to go for it on 4th down.

Yeah because BK never makes mistakes like that. EVER.

 

[T-Boone]

I just wish that logic was consistent through college...

Yeah, I went from a D student at school to an A student at university. Kids who get A's in high school need punching.

 

[ulukinatme]

Some interesting nuggets I just noticed:

At 92 wins, if Kelly were to coach a perfect season next year and win a National Championship he would eclipse Rockne's number of wins at Notre Dame with 106. He's already coached more games than Rockne as of this season at 129 (Rockne had 122 with 105 wins-12 losses-5 ties). If Kelly stays on for the 2021 season he will almost certainly eclipse Rockne's total wins baring a disastrous season.

Other notables:
Lou went 100-30-2 in 132 games at ND. Lou coached the most games for ND. BK could very well eclipse both Lou's wins and obviously Lou's total games coached next season, but will still be about 5% worse in winning percentage.

Ara went 95-17-4 in 116 games at ND. BK has already coached more games than Ara as of this last season, but he has 3 less wins and twice as many losses.

Leahy went 87-11-9 in 107 games at ND.

It should be noted that while Kelly is eclipsing some totals here, 2020 will be his 11th season as ND's coach. Leahy, Ara, and Lou all coached 11 seasons in South Bend and arrived at their totals playing less games per season. Rockne coached the most seasons at 13.

 

[Circa]

Some interesting nuggets I just noticed:

At 92 wins, if Kelly were to coach a perfect season next year and win a National Championship he would eclipse Rockne's number of wins at Notre Dame with 106. He's already coached more games than Rockne as of this season at 129 (Rockne had 122 with 105 wins-12 losses-5 ties). If Kelly stays on for the 2021 season he will almost certainly eclipse Rockne's total wins baring a disastrous season.

Other notables:
Lou went 100-30-2 in 132 games at ND. Lou coached the most games for ND. BK could very well eclipse both Lou's wins and obviously Lou's total games coached next season, but will still be about 5% worse in winning percentage.

Ara went 95-17-4 in 116 games at ND. BK has already coached more games than Ara as of this last season, but he has 3 less wins and twice as many losses.

Leahy went 87-11-9 in 107 games at ND.

It should be noted that while Kelly is eclipsing some totals here, 2020 will be his 11th season as ND's coach. Leahy, Ara, and Lou all coached 11 seasons in South Bend and arrived at their totals playing less games per season. Rockne coached the most seasons at 13.

Good stuff. Interesting that Kelly will excede all win totals and have more crybabies than all of our other coaches combined...

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[NorthDakota]

Good stuff. Interesting that Kelly will excede all win totals and have more crybabies than all of our other coaches combined...

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If CBK wins a natty at ND, he deserves a feature length film with a large budget.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Some interesting nuggets I just noticed:

At 92 wins, if Kelly were to coach a perfect season next year and win a National Championship he would eclipse Rockne's number of wins at Notre Dame with 106. He's already coached more games than Rockne as of this season at 129 (Rockne had 122 with 105 wins-12 losses-5 ties). If Kelly stays on for the 2021 season he will almost certainly eclipse Rockne's total wins baring a disastrous season.

Other notables:
Lou went 100-30-2 in 132 games at ND. Lou coached the most games for ND. BK could very well eclipse both Lou's wins and obviously Lou's total games coached next season, but will still be about 5% worse in winning percentage.

Ara went 95-17-4 in 116 games at ND. BK has already coached more games than Ara as of this last season, but he has 3 less wins and twice as many losses.

Leahy went 87-11-9 in 107 games at ND.

It should be noted that while Kelly is eclipsing some totals here, 2020 will be his 11th season as ND's coach. Leahy, Ara, and Lou all coached 11 seasons in South Bend and arrived at their totals playing less games per season. Rockne coached the most seasons at 13.

His record reflects the acceptance of mediocrity by the powers that be and not any accomplishment on the part of Kelly. Kelly should have been fired long ago. To mention Kelly in the same breath as those men is an insult to them and their extraordinary accomplishments.

 

[BobbyMac]

His record reflects the acceptance of mediocrity by the powers that be and not any accomplishment on the part of Kelly. Kelly should have been fired long ago. To mention Kelly in the same breath as those men is an insult to them and their extraordinary accomplishments.

If Notre Dame has accepted mediocrity, why should he have been fired? Shouldn't he instead deserve a bonus for far exceeding expectations?

 

[ulukinatme]

His record reflects the acceptance of mediocrity by the powers that be and not any accomplishment on the part of Kelly. Kelly should have been fired long ago. To mention Kelly in the same breath as those men is an insult to them and their extraordinary accomplishments.

Kelly's about one horrible VanGorder season and a National Championship win from Lou right now. Would I say they're comparable? No, but college football has changed quite a bit since '88. ESPN and the TV networks have infused a lot of money into the sport. There's recruiting limitations now, both at the NCAA level and academically from the university. Even recruiting itself has changed, with scores of prize players will sit the bench at a Clemson or Alabama just for the chance to join the dynasty rather than play somewhere else. In today's college football landscape and given the struggles the past two decades after Holtz, what Kelly has done should be appreciated.

 

[317Irish]

If CBK wins a natty at ND, he deserves a feature length film with a large budget.

If CBK goes 14-0 and eclipses ND legend Rockne, wins a natty to make my lifelong dream become a reality, and has a full-length feature film made about him... I will likely buyout a full theatre to have to myself and weep uncontrollably for the duration of the film. Please note the lack of italics.

 

[T-Boone]

Kelly should get more involved in recruiting and less involved in the other day to day stuff. Stay longer than he plans to (keeps saying he wont be here in 2025 or whatever) do less other stuff and more recruiting which is what it is clearly all about.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

If Notre Dame has accepted mediocrity, why should he have been fired? Shouldn't he instead deserve a bonus for far exceeding expectations?

Solid logic right there.
There have been ups and downs, but closing in on all time wins, a few good bowl wins, cfb playoff appearance and an undefeated season with a national championship game in 10 years is not mediocre imo.

 

[Circa]

His record reflects the acceptance of mediocrity by the powers that be and not any accomplishment on the part of Kelly. Kelly should have been fired long ago. To mention Kelly in the same breath as those men is an insult to them and their extraordinary accomplishments.

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[IrishFaninTX]

His record reflects the acceptance of mediocrity by the powers that be and not any accomplishment on the part of Kelly. Kelly should have been fired long ago. To mention Kelly in the same breath as those men is an insult to them and their extraordinary accomplishments.

Might want to lay off the sauce. Just a suggestion

 

[IrishBoognish]

Anyone that says ND football is "mediocre" either doesnt understand the definition of the word, or isnt terribly smart.

We're gonna beat the hell outta Wiscy next year. I'll bet real money on it.

Clemson might house us again? But getting boat raced by Clemson isn't an indication that you're "mediocre". Alabama got housed by them worse. Talk to Oklahoma.

We're on the uptick and the offense is looking promising enough to make me drool.

I'm Team Reesus.

 

[Circa]

Anyone that says ND football is "mediocre" either doesnt understand the definition of the word, or isnt terribly smart.

We're gonna beat the hell outta Wiscy next year. I'll bet real money on it.

Clemson might house us again? But getting boat raced by Clemson isn't an indication that you're "mediocre". Alabama got housed by them worse. Talk to Oklahoma.

We're on the uptick and the offense is looking promising enough to make me drool.

I'm Team Reesus.

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[stlnd01]

Anyone that says ND football is "mediocre" either doesnt understand the definition of the word, or isnt terribly smart.

We're gonna beat the hell outta Wiscy next year. I'll bet real money on it.

Clemson might house us again? But getting boat raced by Clemson isn't an indication that you're "mediocre". Alabama got housed by them worse. Talk to Oklahoma.

We're on the uptick and the offense is looking promising enough to make me drool.

I'm Team Reesus.

Or has a rose-colored memory of some past vision of Notre Dame football. Aside from the Peak Holtz years of 88-93 this is the best three-year stretch Notre Dame has had since the '70s.

I agree I think we take it to Wisconsin and roll undefeated into a showdown with Clemson that'll be the biggest home game since at least the 2005 USC game. Then let's see what happens.

 

[phork]

Good stuff. Interesting that Kelly will excede all win totals and have more crybabies than all of our other coaches combined...

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Even Faust would have exceeded those win totals, given time. Not saying BK is Faust by any stretch, but they both have the same number of NCs.

Anyone that says ND football is "mediocre" either doesnt understand the definition of the word, or isnt terribly smart.

We're gonna beat the hell outta Wiscy next year. I'll bet real money on it.

Clemson might house us again? But getting boat raced by Clemson isn't an indication that you're "mediocre". Alabama got housed by them worse. Talk to Oklahoma.

We're on the uptick and the offense is looking promising enough to make me drool.

I'm Team Reesus.

I would say a step above mediocre, haven't really beaten anyone of substance. Clemson loses a ton of talent next year and I expect this game to be very competitive. Again I don't expect to win, their talent still exceeds NDs by a wide margin. But a blowout loss will just add to the Big Game Flop list.

 

[BGIF]

Anyone that says ND football is "mediocre" either doesnt understand the definition of the word, or isnt terribly smart.

We're gonna beat the hell outta Wiscy next year. I'll bet real money on it.

Clemson might house us again? But getting boat raced by Clemson isn't an indication that you're "mediocre". Alabama got housed by them worse. Talk to Oklahoma.

We're on the uptick and the offense is looking promising enough to make me drool.

I'm Team Reesus.

Even Faust would have exceeded those win totals, given time. Not saying BK is Faust by any stretch, but they both have the same number of NCs.



I would say a step above mediocre, haven't really beaten anyone of substance. Clemson loses a ton of talent next year and I expect this game to be very competitive. Again I don't expect to win, their talent still exceeds NDs by a wide margin. But a blowout loss will just add to the Big Game Flop list.

So what are saying here phork, Clemson will be a step and a half better than mediocre? Who are the 50 to 60 better teams?

You’re typical over the top hyperbole is as dumb as you knowledge of Faust's ineptitude.

Faust won't have exceeded anything. Newsflash, he was fired for lack of performance. He couldn’t even exceed anything at Akron. In the 4th quarter of one losing ND game, Faust turned to an assistant and exclaimed, “ We need a bomb here! Do we have a bomb play?”

He didn't know what was in his own playbook.

 

[ARALOU]

Are we really comparing Faust to Kelly or vice-versa? If my memory serves me correctly, Faust was hired fresh out of coaching a high school in Ohio. He won multiple championships there and was very successful. His only tie to ND was that he sent several quality players to the program and by all accounts a super guy. I never understood the hire when it happened and I don't compare him in any way to Kelly. Crazy depressing thread.

 

[BGIF]

Are we really comparing Faust to Kelly or vice-versa? If my memory serves me correctly, Faust was hired fresh out of coaching a high school in Ohio. He won multiple championships there and was very successful. His only tie to ND was that he sent several quality players https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/Notre-Dame-Moeller-A-Return-To-Recruiting-Roots-29136969/to the program and by all accounts a super guy. I never understood the hire when it happened and I don't compare him in any way to Kelly. Crazy depressing thread.

Some two dozen Moeller HS players wore Blue & Gold most notably Crable, Niehaus, and Hunter. That pipeline plus Faust's impressive record led to Fr Joyce hiring Faust at ND. Unfortunately it was a prime example that ND is not the place for Head Coach On- The-Job Training. It also underscores why priests should NOT hire coaches.

Lou Somoygi has a great article on the Moeller/ND pipeline which dried up after the Faust era until Andrew Hendrix.


https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/Notre-Dame-Moeller-A-Return-To-Recruiting-Roots-29136969/

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

So what are saying here phork, Clemson will be a step and a half better than mediocre? Who are the 50 to 60 better teams?

You’re typical over the top hyperbole is as dumb as you knowledge of Faust's ineptitude.

Faust won't have exceeded anything. Newsflash, he was fired for lack of performance. He couldn’t even exceed anything at Akron. In the 4th quarter of one losing ND game, Faust turned to an assistant and exclaimed, “ We need a bomb here! Do we have a bomb play?”

He didn't know what was in his own playbook.

And he had to turn and ask because he refused to wear a headset and communicate with the booth.

 

[texbender]

Anyone who lived (and died) through the Faust debacle would never see any correlation with the CBK era. The guy was clueless, as were those who hired him.
I've said it before, CBK was a pretty good hire given the reality of what the ND program was/is. He has gotten them to a NC game and a 4 team playoff, and has us in a decent position going forward. Still an uphill battle to get to the top, but at least we're on the trail to get there (which we haven't been since early 90's).