Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[Irish Insanity]

The ego will be on full display Saturday evening. I'm thinking we run it maybe 17 times.

I am really afraid of this happening.

 

[ACamp1900]

I am really afraid of this happening.

samesies...

 

[MNIrishman]

A) When bad things happen because of bad decisions by the head coach, it's on the head coach. You make an atrocious play call, player fumbles, it's your fault.

B) When good things happen because of good decisions by the head coach, it's a credit to the head coach. When you move a player into a new position and that player becomes a Heisman candidate, it's a credit to you.

C) When you make a good decision and bad things happen, it's not your fault. Running the ball on 1st and 10 from your own 20 at the beginning of the game is a good decision. All-American Linebacker strips the ball for 6. Not your fault.

D) When you make a bad decision and good things happen, you don't get credit. You throw a fade to your slot receiver on the goal line. Ball goes off defender's hands and is caught by another player on your team for a TD. You don't get credit.


The Northwestern game was a whole lot of A

Gene Chizik to Notre Dame confirmed

 

[ickythump1225]

The ego will be on full display Saturday evening. I'm thinking we run it maybe 17 times.

While I do worry somewhat about that...I do feel like this season is different. We've shown a propensity to stick with the run game for the most part this season. BK likes to run when he has young QBs playing, he doesn't really go with the "grip it and rip it" portion of the playbook until he gets a veteran in the game. Maybe the key is to just keep playing RS Freshmen all the time and we'll stick to running the ball.

 

[stlnd01]

Maybe the key is to just keep playing RS Freshmen all the time and we'll stick to running the ball.

You joke. But Kelly's better success rate with younger QBs is probably not an accident.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'll tear out my fvcking hair and punch myself in the face if we run more quick screen passes when we need less than 3 yards for a 1st. I don't care if it's on 2nd or 3rd down.

I'd be interested in seeing the breakdown of success vs. failure on screen passes on each of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down.

I'll agree that Kelly's play calling, at times, leaves a lot to be desired. Other times, he's so on point it's arousing.

Miami a couple of years ago was borderline erotic with how well the running game clicked. Obviously UMass was a lot of fun to watch. Still can't believe we rushed for that many yards. The Oklahoma bomb to Brown was perfect.

The play calling to end the USC game in 11, maybe? The one where Hughes just putting his head down?

FSU last year was a damn near flawlessly called game.

I still can't imagine a coach that could've been more successful than Kelly given the circumstances. Kelly has recruited pretty damn well and has us stocked enough to not be massive underdogs in any game.

Let's hope we really give GK the bizness after Clemson. I could handle a little kool-aid intoxication.

 

[Rocket89]

As a rule, any person who is consistently hung up on play-calling for the vast majority of their criticisms can't objectively evaluate a coach properly.

It's doubly true when said person does the above and then attacks others for their lack of objectivity.

 

[gkIrish]

As a rule, any person who is consistently hung up on play-calling for the vast majority of their criticisms can't objectively evaluate a coach properly.

It's doubly true when said person does the above and then attacks others for their lack of objectivity.

Today we were talking about play calling for awhile. We also talked about Joe Schmidt and BKs reliance on him. We even discussed the Frozen Five! I had lots of fun.

Last week there were about 100 posts comparing our record to Michigan St. and others. Before that we discussed recruiting safeties. Before that we discussed how BK is a good representative of the University.

So yeah....I only talk about playcalling.

 

[Rocket89]

Today we were talking about play calling for awhile. We also talked about Joe Schmidt and BKs reliance on him. We even discussed the Frozen Five! I had lots of fun.

Last week there were about 100 posts comparing our record to Michigan St. and others. Before that we discussed recruiting safeties. Before that we discussed how BK is a good representative of the University.

So yeah....I only talk about playcalling.

And those were all tremendous opinions you shared with everyone.

Just like the original post in this thread calling Kelly's play-calling "still utterly horrible."

 

[stlnd01]

Two things I don't understand. Bubble screens on third and short, and shotgun running plays with no lead blocker when all you need is a yard or two and everyone knows you're running.
One thing I do understand: Notre Dame's coaches know way more about offensive play calling than I ever will.

 

[gkIrish]

And those were all tremendous opinions you shared with everyone.

Just like the original post in this thread calling Kelly's play-calling "still utterly horrible."

It is horrible. And so are your non-substantive posts. It's easy to snicker at someone and provide nothing at all to support your snickering.

 

[gkIrish]

I'll tear out my fvcking hair and punch myself in the face if we run more quick screen passes when we need less than 3 yards for a 1st. I don't care if it's on 2nd or 3rd down.

I'd be interested in seeing the breakdown of success vs. failure on screen passes on each of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down.

I'll agree that Kelly's play calling, at times, leaves a lot to be desired. Other times, he's so on point it's arousing.

Miami a couple of years ago was borderline erotic with how well the running game clicked. Obviously UMass was a lot of fun to watch. Still can't believe we rushed for that many yards. The Oklahoma bomb to Brown was perfect.

The play calling to end the USC game in 11, maybe? The one where Hughes just putting his head down?

FSU last year was a damn near flawlessly called game.

I still can't imagine a coach that could've been more successful than Kelly given the circumstances. Kelly has recruited pretty damn well and has us stocked enough to not be massive underdogs in any game.

Let's hope we really give GK the bizness after Clemson. I could handle a little kool-aid intoxication.

I 100% believe we will beat Clemson. They just aren't that good and I will be there so there's that.

I think we will lose to USC and at least one other team but who knows. Our schedule has turned out to be very mediocre.

 

[Fbolt]

 

[stlnd01]

Our schedule has turned out to be very mediocre.

It's probably Kelly's fault.

 

[kmoose]

It is horrible. And so are your non-substantive posts. It's easy to snicker at someone and provide nothing at all to support your snickering.

This team is averaging 531.3 yards per game, and 41.0 points per game. STOP with the "the play calling sucks" stuff already. Just because you can anticipate play calls doesn't mean that it is bad play calling. It is working(and very well), so that's a pretty fvcking good indication that Kelly knows a hell of a lot more about the subject than you do.

 

[Irish Insanity]

681 yds and 62 pts against a tough UMASS team sure helped those numbers look much better.

Duke scored more points vs GT

Texas is giving up 34 a game, we only managed 38.

UVA is giving up 38, we managed only 34.

It's not like we've exactly played a tough schedule to this point, or any defensive juggernaut.

We seem to be on the right path. Let's see how it ends.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

681 yds and 62 pts against a tough UMASS team sure helped those numbers look much better.

Duke scored more points vs GT

Texas is giving up 34 a game, we only managed 38.

UVA is giving up 38, we managed only 34.

Notre Dame took the foot off the petal against both Tech and Texas. Against Texas they played the whole game with the second string RB who had exactly zero games of experience at RB. ND also went a quarter plus with a backup QB who had gotten a grand total of zero first team reps all year against UVA. Jeez man!


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[Rocket89]

It is horrible. And so are your non-substantive posts. It's easy to snicker at someone and provide nothing at all to support your snickering.

I have nothing else to support my snickering because your posts aren't worth the time and it's a lost cause to debate anything to a meaningful degree. Like I said, people who have your views re the playcalling can be seen from miles away that arguing with them will be useless.

I'm no missionary. You can keep up the good fight and consider yourself nice and objective. Heck, a few in this thread are following right along with you. It's just sometimes a guy has to point and laugh at the kid's table, ya dig?

 

[ickythump1225]

My gripe with BK's play calling is that it is inconsistent. So far this year it has been good, but sometimes I swear he just abandons the run because he can. We'll be gashing a team for 8 or 9 yards a pop and then he'll just start having us sling it. Sometimes he'll call a draw from the shotgun with no extra blocking help on 3rd and 1 and it will get stuffed.

I understand that he knows a lot more about offense than I do, but it is frustrating nonetheless.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I feel like no matter who is calling plays, IE Knute Rockney, you people would have a gripe.


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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I feel like no matter who is calling plays, IE Knute Rockney, you people would have a gripe.


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Doubtful, unless he ran it too much. Or threw it too much. Then I'd be pissed.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Doubtful, unless he ran it too much. Or threw it too much. Then I'd be pissed.

Haha


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[Irish#1]

My gripe with BK's play calling is that it is inconsistent. So far this year it has been good, but sometimes I swear he just abandons the run because he can. We'll be gashing a team for 8 or 9 yards a pop and then he'll just start having us sling it. Sometimes he'll call a draw from the shotgun with no extra blocking help on 3rd and 1 and it will get stuffed.

I understand that he knows a lot more about offense than I do, but it is frustrating nonetheless.

That's one thing I loved about Lou. Run it until they stop it. If a boxers left jab is punishing his opponent, he doesn't start going to the stomach until the opponent quits or finally stops it.

 

[NDohio]

The ego will be on full display Saturday evening. I'm thinking we run it maybe 17 times.

I am really afraid of this happening.

samesies...

This is a legit concern, but BK seems to do that whole huge ego thing when we are playing against a team we should beat(throttle) and something isn't working and he keeps going back to it because"it should work".

 

[kmoose]

681 yds and 62 pts against a tough UMASS team sure helped those numbers look much better.

Duke scored more points vs GT

Texas is giving up 34 a game, we only managed 38.

UVA is giving up 38, we managed only 34.

It's not like we've exactly played a tough schedule to this point, or any defensive juggernaut.

We seem to be on the right path. Let's see how it ends.

You're right......... a complete jail-sexing of UMass is indicative of how horrible Kelly's play calling is.

I'm not arguing that Kelly is a brilliant play caller. But he sure as fvck isn't "horrible", as someone asserted in the post that I responded to.

 

[IrishLax]

This whole thread is going plaid. Kelly isn't even calling the plays this year, so like half of the posts on both sides are self-defeating.

And honestly, the play calling -- given the constraints on a REALLY unprepared/inexperienced QB with a different skill set than the starter they practiced with all fall -- has been A level in at least 3 of the 4 games. The only game with legitimate gripes is UVA, where we did a really poor job of 3rd down play calling.

 

[Irish Insanity]

IIRC the OP brought forth info directly from someone on the sideline that Kelly definitely has last word on the play calling. However the play calling was never the only discussion in this threat. That narrative has been pushed by those who oppose the thought of this thread for any reason because the recent success leads them to believe they have a leg to stand on with that argument.

 

[ickythump1225]

This whole thread is going plaid. Kelly isn't even calling the plays this year, so like half of the posts on both sides are self-defeating.

And honestly, the play calling -- given the constraints on a REALLY unprepared/inexperienced QB with a different skill set than the starter they practiced with all fall -- has been A level in at least 3 of the 4 games. The only game with legitimate gripes is UVA, where we did a really poor job of 3rd down play calling.

I will give credit, the playcalling has been better this year. Then again maybe that is because BK isn't calling the plays anymore.

 

[irishff1014]

This team is averaging 531.3 yards per game, and 41.0 points per game. STOP with the "the play calling sucks" stuff already. Just because you can anticipate play calls doesn't mean that it is bad play calling. It is working(and very well), so that's a pretty fvcking good indication that Kelly knows a hell of a lot more about the subject than you do.

I agree and disagree at the same time. Yes we are putting up big points and yard totals. But to Gk's defense there have been situations that i believe we have had bad play calling. But overall not terrible.

 

[Fbolt]

Write Kelly a letter or send him an email. I'm sure he'll give your thoughts their due diligence. I mean, when coaches want football advice I'm sure they always call the plumber, or banker, or student, or unemployed 27 year old living in his parent's basement, or.... (that last one is me)