Brian Flores sues NFL, others, as former Miami Dolphins coach alleges racism in hiring practices.

[arrowryan]

I think Bill Belichick knew what he was doing doing. I think he sent those texts on purpose so they could be used against Goodell and the NFL. Payback for deflategate.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think Bill Belichick knew what he was doing doing. I think he sent those texts on purpose so they could be used against Goodell and the NFL. Payback for deflategate.

First thing I told my buddy is Billy B is anything but stupid. I have a real hard time thinking he just misread his texts and fired one off himself as a result.

Bill is too calculated.

 

[Irish#1]

So Brian, I have a question for you. "If racial equality is truly the issue, why did you wait until you got fired to file this lawsuit? Everything is okay as long as your an NFL head coach? Seem like this might be a case of sour grapes." .........Perry Mason

 

[dad4aa]

If a certain percentage of owners, GMs, coaches, etc have to be black…do a certain percentage of players have to be white? 🤔

 

[NDPhilly]

How can anyone read the segregation and slavery comments with a straight face? These players / coaches are making millions of dollars a year to play & coach a damn game.

Flores has zero evidence to support his claims. The vast majority of the NFL Players are African American because its a meritocracy. I'm supposed to believe their is a different standard for coaches and GMs? Giants needed to interview an AA candidate to fill the league's stupid rule. Maybe we should force teams to interview Hispanic players too since they are underrepresented as well.

The Stephen Ross game fixing allegation is far more interesting.

 

[notredomer23]

How can anyone read the segregation and slavery comments with a straight face? These players / coaches are making millions of dollars a year to play & coach a damn game.

Flores has zero evidence to support his claims. The vast majority of the NFL Players are African American because its a meritocracy. I'm supposed to believe their is a different standard for coaches and GMs? Giants needed to interview an AA candidate to fill the league's stupid rule. Maybe we should force teams to interview Hispanic players too since they are underrepresented as well.

The Stephen Ross game fixing allegation is far more interesting.

Especially how the NFL is hitching their wagon to sports gambling. Billions of ad revenue for the NFL is being generated and probably a similar amount of revenue on wagers for the books. Even the allegation of games being fixed could cause significant harm to their bottom lines next season.

 

[NDdomer2]

Especially how the NFL is hitching their wagon to sports gambling. Billions of ad revenue for the NFL is being generated and probably a similar amount of revenue on wagers for the books. Even the allegation of games being fixed could cause significant harm to their bottom lines next season.

im pretty sure the NFL has the right to fix their games for a while.

When fans tried sueing the NFL during the Pats/Jets Spygate, they were told that their suit had no merit because they received what they paid for = A ticket to the game.

Essentially the ruling was that they paid for entertainment and the NFL provided that regardless if the outcome was fixed or not. Basically, the government likened the NFL to the WWE or F or WCW or whatever it is nowadays.

It's their business and they can do what they want with it. You as a consumer have no rights to how they run their business other than being entertained by their product.

found the link:https://www.courthousenews.com/nfl-spygate-suit-tossed/

Mayer claimed the games were rigged and sought $61.6 million for the cost of tickets for all Jets-Patriots games played at Giants Stadium from 2000 through 2007, when Belichick was coach. He wanted that amount tripled for federal racketeering.

The appeals court said the NFL is in charge of policing its own games, and that officials "did ultimately take action here."

"We do not condone the conduct on the part of the Patriots and the team's head coach, and we likewise refrain from assessing whether the NFL's sanctions ... were otherwise appropriate," Judge Robert Cowen wrote for the court.

But, Cowen said, that doesn't mean fans don't have recourse. "Fans could speak out against the Patriots, their coach, and the NFL itself," he wrote. "In fact, they could even go so far as to refuse to purchase tickets or NFL-related merchandise. ... However, the one thing they cannot do is bring a legal action in a court of law."

 

[IrishTusker]

The Rooney Rule essentially applies a quota (not for jobs, but for interviews). So is anyone surprised that this happens? The teams should be allowed to interview whomever they want, and that should be the end of it.

 

[Irish#1]

I read the text between Flores and Belichek. BB's comment doesn't necessarily confirm the Flores interview was just going to be for appearances. It's not unusual to like one of the earlier candidates and yet interview the rest. You never know what the others have to offer. They may be better than the candidate you already liked.

 

[notredomer23]

im pretty sure the NFL has the right to fix their games for a while.

When fans tried sueing the NFL during the Pats/Jets Spygate, they were told that their suit had no merit because they received what they paid for = A ticket to the game.

Essentially the ruling was that they paid for entertainment and the NFL provided that regardless if the outcome was fixed or not. Basically, the government likened the NFL to the WWE or F or WCW or whatever it is nowadays.

It's their business and they can do what they want with it. You as a consumer have no rights to how they run their business other than being entertained by their product.

found the link:https://www.courthousenews.com/nfl-spygate-suit-tossed/

That's fine, but the public is supposed to trust that these games are fair. Just because they have the right to fix games doesn't mean that is the best model for their business, and advertisers/public will make their choices if more comes to light on Flores's allegations. I personally will still watch and play fantasy, but I would definitely hesitate to gamble on it.

 

[NDdomer2]

That's fine, but the public is supposed to trust that these games are fair. Just because they have the right to fix games doesn't mean that is the best model for their business, and advertisers/public will make their choices if more comes to light on Flores's allegations. I personally will still watch and play fantasy, but I would definitely hesitate to gamble on it.

Doesnt mean it isnt the best model for their business. What sells the NFL is outside of fantasy and gambling is story lines. Making sure you maintain your story lines protects your profits.

If you really want to get into NFL conspiracy start looking into franchises that recently moved or built a stadium and the sudden boom it does for their ability to win games.

 

[Rogue219]

Flores and whoever is advising him has to know his career is over in the NFL now. I applaud what he's doing here if he believes it is right, but he surely has to know the consequences of moving this forward.

This was easily the most bizarre firing of the NFL carousel. Flores doesn't want Tua because Tua sucks but Tua is Miami's guy. I think that's a huge part of this.

 

[NDPhilly]

In the greater sphere of NFL "employees" who make "great money" (say $500k+), coaches and executives are a very small % of the total pool. If you were do a breakdown of total compensation by race across all NFL employees, you'd find that African American players/coaches take home an outsized piece of the pie, especially as a % of the US population, which is fantastic because the NFL is a meritocracy.

Does this not matter? We really are supposed to believe that NFL teams would be ok with their "face of the franchise" be a minority but wouldn't allow a coach / GM? Feels like an incredible reach.

 

[Blazers46]

If a certain percentage of owners, GMs, coaches, etc have to be black…do a certain percentage of players have to be white? 🤔

No, players are the slaves.

 

[Blazers46]

Flores and whoever is advising him has to know his career is over in the NFL now. I applaud what he's doing here if he believes it is right, but he surely has to know the consequences of moving this forward.

This was easily the most bizarre firing of the NFL carousel. Flores doesn't want Tua because Tua sucks but Tua is Miami's guy. I think that's a huge part of this.

Flores should have taken the money and tanked. He’d have Joe Burrow and about $700,000 more in the bank. He should have also had the meeting with Tom Brady.

 

[IrishTusker]

I am not sure how much of this is about the Dolphins firing Flores, but Joe Philbin and Adam Gase had almost the same winning % as Flores and they were both fired.

 

[Irish#1]

How uncomfortable do you think the relationship with McDermott and Daboll is now? lol

Broncos also came out and blasted Flores. Denied they were late for the meeting and looked disheveled like they had been drinking the night before.

His meetings with the Giants and Broncos lasted more than three hours. If those were just to meet the Rooney Rule, I would think two hours would have been plenty of time.

 

[NorthDakota]

How can anyone read the segregation and slavery comments with a straight face? These players / coaches are making millions of dollars a year to play & coach a damn game.

Flores has zero evidence to support his claims. The vast majority of the NFL Players are African American because its a meritocracy. I'm supposed to believe their is a different standard for coaches and GMs? Giants needed to interview an AA candidate to fill the league's stupid rule. Maybe we should force teams to interview Hispanic players too since they are underrepresented as well.

The Stephen Ross game fixing allegation is far more interesting.

That was sorta my issue with it too. Segregation? Like we serious? Plantation? What the hell lmao. I didn't keep reading anything other than that passage.

We'll see what comes of it.

 

[Rogue219]

 

[Rogue219]

 

[GATTACA!]

How uncomfortable do you think the relationship with McDermott and Daboll is now? lol

Broncos also came out and blasted Flores. Denied they were late for the meeting and looked disheveled like they had been drinking the night before.

His meetings with the Giants and Broncos lasted more than three hours. If those were just to meet the Rooney Rule, I would think two hours would have been plenty of time.

And the Giants had already fulfilled the Rooney rule before they interviewed Flores.

 

[Blazers46]

Looks like Flores is trying to open this up as a class action. Looks like Hue Jackson is adding to the pile.

Hue Jackson accuses Cleveland Browns of incentivizing losing during 2016, '17 football seasons

Former Browns coach Hue Jackson said Wednesday on ESPN's SportsCenter that the Browns had a "four-year plan" that incentivized losing during the first two years which led to his 1-31 record during the 2016 and 2017 seasons.

www.espn.com

 

[ACamp1900]

Anyone else just kinda want to see the nfl burn??? If this opens the door then hey,…

 

[NDRock]

Anyone else just kinda want to see the nfl burn??? If this opens the door then hey,…

Understand the sentiment but I like the NFL. I hate to say it but if anything needs to burn and potentially start again, it’s college football. Wat too much hypocrisy for me. At least in pro football you know everyone is there for the money.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Anyone else just kinda want to see the nfl burn??? If this opens the door then hey,…

I used to love the NFL but im now pretty disgusted with it. Let it burn.

My only real issue with this is lumping Eric Bienemy in with this. The guy choked a woman and threatened her with gang rape. On top of that, he has a long rap sheet of incidents including, attacking a firefighter while he was fighting a fire, DUI's and fleeing the scene of an accident.

 

[irishff1014]

I used to love the NFL but im now pretty disgusted with it. Let it burn.

My only real issue with this is lumping Eric Bienemy in with this. The guy choked a woman and threatened her with gang rape. On top of that, he has a long rap sheet of incidents including, attacking a firefighter while he was fighting a fire, DUI's and fleeing the scene of an accident.

You hit the mail on the head. They have a lot of legal issues that’s for sure.

 

[RDU Irish]

I remember thinking the Dolphins can't even lose correctly - sounds like Flores went "Major League" and took the offer as a challenge. This year they had an impressive rise from the ashes - guessing management didn't like they were losing top draft picks AGAIN. Seems like a head scratcher firing to me - makes sense now. It is a business, part of that business is knowing when to hold them and when to fold them - if you aren't making the playoffs you are playing for the future.

I would love to ask Pete Rose what he thinks about Ross trying to pay a coach to lose.

 

[irishog77]

That preamble is sanctimonious as hell and might actually hurt how seriously his case is taken by some. Literally nobody but a total moron thinks that the NFL == slavery when the workers fight and claw to be part of the league + they’ve collectively bargained for generational wealth.

But the meat of the case is damning for the NFL if even half of the allegations are true. Match fixing? Tampering? Violations of league rules? None of that bodes well for Ross or the league.

I particularly like it where he compares himself, and what he's doing, to Martin Luther King, Harriet Tubman, et al.

 

[Blazers46]

Well played NFL

Loretta Lynch: First Black female AG in US history to defend the NFL in racial discrimination lawsuit | CNN

Lynch was the first Black female attorney general in US history.

amp.cnn.com

 

[irishff1014]

As long as he is suing the NFL he shouldn’t be allowed to coach.