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Well we both have played some good teams and some bad teams. Here is something the OU starting defense has done...this does not include opponents defense or special teams scores...

Points allowed by 1st team defense:
Vs. UTEP: 0
Vs. FAMU: 13
Vs. KSU: 17
Vs. Tech:13
Vs. Texas: 0
Vs. Kansas: 0

Average points scored on starting defense: 7.17

Side note: OU had 9 scholarship players suspended for the first two games. They had a total of 13 missing the first two games due to suspensions and/or injuries/illnesses. They didn't get Walker back from anemia complications until the KSU game. All season OU has been starting a DE at one of the DT spots. That ends this week with McGee back now.

How many games has ND played where they got to put their back ups in at the end of the game and sit their starters?


How deep is ND? Are they talented all the way through they line up (not just the starters)?

we have a rotation on the line plus we run a 3/4 and 4/3 at times so it trully isn't a definitive 1st and 2nd team in terms of points

we are starting a true freshman converted wr at DB, 1st year starter DB who also was a wr 1st...we lost our starting safety which we have starting a 1st year safety who again was a projected wr but didn't play last year and we have zeke motta who would have been starting regardless at safety....so we are not very experienced back there which would be on par for you guys losing your starters for the first 2 games...we have been doing it from the start of the year till now

we have some depth but certainly it drops off on dline but really drops off imo at DB

navy, miami,msu we were able to sub guys in for quite a bit of time in 2nd half
 

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Well we both have played some good teams and some bad teams. Here is something the OU starting defense has done...this does not include opponents defense or special teams scores...

Points allowed by 1st team defense:
Vs. UTEP: 0
Vs. FAMU: 13
Vs. KSU: 17
Vs. Tech:13
Vs. Texas: 0
Vs. Kansas: 0

Average points scored on starting defense: 7.17

Side note: OU had 9 scholarship players suspended for the first two games. They had a total of 13 missing the first two games due to suspensions and/or injuries/illnesses. They didn't get Walker back from anemia complications until the KSU game. All season OU has been starting a DE at one of the DT spots. That ends this week with McGee back now.

How many games has ND played where they got to put their back ups in at the end of the game and sit their starters?


How deep is ND? Are they talented all the way through they line up (not just the starters)?

Am I correct in saying that if you have a weakness on defense, it is your defensive line? I am not trying to say it is bad, but is that your weakest unit?
 

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Frank Shannon or a DL off a zone blitz will be assigned to him not Wort

come on now...an all american tight end that has good speed is going to be covered by a freshman??? or a dline man :naughty:


we use italics here :cowboy:when we are kidding
 

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Hard for us to "expect" a win when we are 10 point dogs. I think this is an unusual case of a lower ranked team being this strongly favored. When is the last time two top 10 teams faced off and one was favored by 10 points, let alone the lower ranked team favored so much?

I won't be surprised if we win, but I am not crazy enough to expect to win. I think the point spread creates a great opportunity for ND to prove it is legit.


It wasn't by 10, but then #3 WVU was 4 point underdogs going into their game vs. unranked Texas Tech.

I will say this much, Vegas has been pretty dead on when it comes to favoring the right teams this year. Yes, they haven't always gotten the spreads correct, but they have gotten a far number of games correct in intial favorites...moreso than they have gotten wrong...by a large amount too.

If I was a betting man, which I'm not, I would take ND for the points and OU straight up.
 

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Open letter from the OU president...
This will be a special weekend. The Oklahoma Sooners will have the chance to post a VICTORY as we observe the 55th Anniversary of the ending of OU’s 47-game winning streak — the longest in college football history. A visit by ESPN’s GameDay will add to the excitement.
It’s a time for wins both on and off the field. In 1999, the last time we played Notre Dame, several of us made the trip to South Bend for the game. We have never experienced greater hospitality when visiting another campus. Everywhere we went on campus, from the ticket takers at the stadium to students and fans we met on the campus, we were warmly greeted by the words, “welcome to Notre Dame.” We were stopped by those who wanted to tell us how much they respect Oklahoma. We now have a chance to show our visitors from Notre Dame the same kind of warm hospitality in return. While our team wins on the field, it’s time for the rest of us to step up and demonstrate “Championship Hospitality.”
Boomer Sooner,
David Boren
 
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Open letter from the OU president...
This will be a special weekend. The Oklahoma Sooners will have the chance to post a VICTORY as we observe the 55th Anniversary of the ending of OU’s 47-game winning streak — the longest in college football history. A visit by ESPN’s GameDay will add to the excitement.
It’s a time for wins both on and off the field. In 1999, the last time we played Notre Dame, several of us made the trip to South Bend for the game. We have never experienced greater hospitality when visiting another campus. Everywhere we went on campus, from the ticket takers at the stadium to students and fans we met on the campus, we were warmly greeted by the words, “welcome to Notre Dame.” We were stopped by those who wanted to tell us how much they respect Oklahoma. We now have a chance to show our visitors from Notre Dame the same kind of warm hospitality in return. While our team wins on the field, it’s time for the rest of us to step up and demonstrate “Championship Hospitality.”
Boomer Sooner,
David Boren

Pretty cool. I hope it's fun and safe in Norman this weekend.
 

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How are you evaluating "first team starters"? It's not like you guys pull your entire defense out every game and you are conveniently knocking off 10 points per game off your average.

Not exactly sure how hard it is to understand.
Starting defense is pretty simple. The starting personnel of a game. Yes we rotate personnel throughout the game. But I'm speaking of when our entire starting lineup has been in the game and not being filtered out to take the rest of the game off. In other words, when the vast majority of the defense is backup players, then I took those points away.

Against UTEP, the starting defense stayed in all game. The only points UTEP scored in that game was a punt block returned for a TD. No points scored vs. The defense.

Vs. FAMU, the starting defense gave up 13 points. They ended up out of the game by the end of the 3rd quarter.

Vs KSU, the starters never left the field. KSU scored on a fumble recovery. So 17 points attributed to the defense.

Vs. Tech, the starters were out by the end of the game. But Tech did score 13 on the starters.

Vs. Texas. By the time the starters were being pulled, the score was 63-8. 5exas scored two late goals at the very end. And before the starters went out, the points scored were from a blocked PAT for a safety, and a Pick 6.

Vs. Kansas, OU didn't allow a point until very late, when you gbuessed it, the backups were in.

So like I said, a lot of the points given up by OU have come either when the game has alrrady been decided and they began pulling all the starters. Or came from the offense turning the ball over in which the play resulted in a defensive score. Or by special teams play.

The starting defense is every bit as good as the top 5 defenses. All the while when playing a better schedule of opponents when it comes to offenses.
 

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Not exactly sure how hard it is to understand.
Starting defense is pretty simple. The starting personnel of a game. Yes we rotate personnel throughout the game. But I'm speaking of when our entire starting lineup has been in the game and not being filtered out to take the rest of the game off. In other words, when the vast majority of the defense is backup players, then I took those points away.

Against UTEP, the starting defense stayed in all game. The only points UTEP scored in that game was a punt block returned for a TD. No points scored vs. The defense.

Vs. FAMU, the starting defense gave up 13 points. They ended up out of the game by the end of the 3rd quarter.

Vs KSU, the starters never left the field. KSU scored on a fumble recovery. So 17 points attributed to the defense.

Vs. Tech, the starters were out by the end of the game. But Tech did score 13 on the starters.

Vs. Texas. By the time the starters were being pulled, the score was 63-8. 5exas scored two late goals at the very end. And before the starters went out, the points scored were from a blocked PAT for a safety, and a Pick 6.

Vs. Kansas, OU didn't allow a point until very late, when you gbuessed it, the backups were in.

So like I said, a lot of the points given up by OU have come either when the game has alrrady been decided and they began pulling all the starters. Or came from the offense turning the ball over in which the play resulted in a defensive score. Or by special teams play.

The starting defense is every bit as good as the top 5 defenses. All the while when playing a better schedule of opponents when it comes to offenses.

That is EXTREMELY subjective to say the least. If that makes you feel better, than I wont stop you from saying that. Keep in mind though, I could do the same thing and say that "our first team starters" are giving up like .3 pts per game. Bama could say that that they are pretty much flawless or something like .00012 points per game.

It's silly if you ask me. You are also raising your team's defensive ranking by double digits in almost every category.
 

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Am I correct in saying that if you have a weakness on defense, it is your defensive line? I am not trying to say it is bad, but is that your weakest unit?

I would have to say negative. Though the DL isn't the strength of the defense, I would point to the LB corps as being the weakest. But even then, they are playing assignment and fundamentally sound.

The DL isn't an all-world unit. And as far as our starters, I don't see any real NFL caliber draft picks. But they are very solid.

As mentioned earlier, this will be the first week of the season that the DL will be at full strength. The first 6 games, we have had David King (DE) playing down in a DT spot. He has given up on average 30 pounds to the interior OL he has faced. Now with McGeen back, that means King gets to go use his speed on the outside in mismatches off the tackles.

Heck the first two games of the season we had our two starting DL out. Walker with Anemic issues and McGee with a school suspension.

We started a DE and a freshman the first two weeks. And only had a 3 man rotation.

Anyway, sorry for blabbing. No I don't think the DL is the weakest of the defense. I think the LBs are.
 

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That is EXTREMELY subjective to say the least. If that makes you feel better, than I wont stop you from saying that. Keep in mind though, I could do the same thing and say that "our first team starters" are giving up like .3 pts per game. Bama could say that that they are pretty much flawless or something like .00012 points per game.

It's silly if you ask me. You are also raising your team's defensive ranking by double digits in almost every category.

It's not subjective. You just count the scores when the first team is actually in. When you're blowing the last 3 teams out of the water, it's a useful perspective. Although it obviously should be taken with a grain of salt.
 
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I would have to say negative. Though the DL isn't the strength of the defense, I would point to the LB corps as being the weakest. But even then, they are playing assignment and fundamentally sound.

The DL isn't an all-world unit. And as far as our starters, I don't see any real NFL caliber draft picks. But they are very solid.

As mentioned earlier, this will be the first week of the season that the DL will be at full strength. The first 6 games, we have had David King (DE) playing down in a DT spot. He has given up on average 30 pounds to the interior OL he has faced. Now with McGeen back, that means King gets to go use his speed on the outside in mismatches off the tackles.

Heck the first two games of the season we had our two starting DL out. Walker with Anemic issues and McGee with a school suspension.

We started a DE and a freshman the first two weeks. And only had a 3 man rotation.

Anyway, sorry for blabbing. No I don't think the DL is the weakest of the defense. I think the LBs are.

LDE or RDE?
 

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How deep is ND? Are they talented all the way through they line up (not just the starters)?

Our 2 deep is good. After losing two of our best safeties for the whole year, we've had a young guy, Mathias Farley, step up. He is the only defensive player other than Manti Te'o to win FBS Independents Defensive Player of the Week (not including bye week, of course).
 

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That is EXTREMELY subjective to say the least. If that makes you feel better, than I wont stop you from saying that. Keep in mind though, I could do the same thing and say that "our first team starters" are giving up like .3 pts per game. Bama could say that that they are pretty much flawless or something like .00012 points per game.

It's silly if you ask me. You are also raising your team's defensive ranking by double digits in almost every category.

I'm assuming your a smart fella.

With that said, I assume you understand the difference between your starting defense with a regular rotation and a defense where the backups (or scrubs) are getting experience because the game is virtuall too far out of reach and secure for the win.

Ill also assume that you do recognize that defensive scoring stats show all points allowed by the team, not just the actual defense.

Take the 7 from UTEP, 7 from KSU, and 8 from Texas, and that alone lowers OUs defensive stats...and are true, considering all those points mentioned came not against the defense, but either special teams or offense.

So that's
Vs. Utep, 0 points allowed by the defense.
Vs. FAMU, 13 points
Vs. KSU, 17 points
Vs. Tech, 20 points
Vs. Texas 13 points
Vs. KU 7 points...


So our entire defensive unit has allowed 70 total points or just over 11 points per game, with 27 of those 70 points coming in garbage time, or late in the 4th.

Any fan will not count those garbage pooints when the game has all but been decided and the backups and others are playing while the starters are sipping tea on the sidelines.

I know that's foreign for ND lately because you all grind out wins or losses. You all are not used to seeing scores of 60+ points a game by your offense where you can put your back ups in and sit your starters very often.
 

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LDE or RDE?

I think he is primarily weakside. But don't quote me on that..

RJ washington is our other starter and he is a 4 star talent that finally seems to fitting into his potential when he was being recruited.

Ndulue is a freshman (or rsf) and going to be something special. (At least I think he is some type of freshman. Posting from phone, so don't have the info infront of me.
 

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I'm assuming your a smart fella.

With that said, I assume you understand the difference between your starting defense with a regular rotation and a defense where the backups (or scrubs) are getting experience because the game is virtuall too far out of reach and secure for the win.

Ill also assume that you do recognize that defensive scoring stats show all points allowed by the team, not just the actual defense.

Take the 7 from UTEP, 7 from KSU, and 8 from Texas, and that alone lowers OUs defensive stats...and are true, considering all those points mentioned came not against the defense, but either special teams or offense.

So that's
Vs. Utep, 0 points allowed by the defense.
Vs. FAMU, 13 points
Vs. KSU, 17 points
Vs. Tech, 20 points
Vs. Texas 13 points
Vs. KU 7 points...


So our entire defensive unit has allowed 70 total points or just over 11 points per game, with 27 of those 70 points coming in garbage time, or late in the 4th.

Any fan will not count those garbage pooints when the game has all but been decided and the backups and others are playing while the starters are sipping tea on the sidelines.

I know that's foreign for ND lately because you all grind out wins or losses. You all are not used to seeing scores of 60+ points a game by your offense where you can put your back ups in and sit your starters very often.

Are you adjusting the points in relation to the minutes played?

E.g.- KU scored only 7 points on the first team. But also, the first team only played like 66% of the game. You'd have to project that out to approx 9 points per game allowed by the first team defense, if they had played the entire game.
 

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I'm assuming your a smart fella.

With that said, I assume you understand the difference between your starting defense with a regular rotation and a defense where the backups (or scrubs) are getting experience because the game is virtuall too far out of reach and secure for the win.

Ill also assume that you do recognize that defensive scoring stats show all points allowed by the team, not just the actual defense.

Take the 7 from UTEP, 7 from KSU, and 8 from Texas, and that alone lowers OUs defensive stats...and are true, considering all those points mentioned came not against the defense, but either special teams or offense.

So that's
Vs. Utep, 0 points allowed by the defense.
Vs. FAMU, 13 points
Vs. KSU, 17 points
Vs. Tech, 20 points
Vs. Texas 13 points
Vs. KU 7 points...


So our entire defensive unit has allowed 70 total points or just over 11 points per game, with 27 of those 70 points coming in garbage time, or late in the 4th.

Any fan will not count those garbage pooints when the game has all but been decided and the backups and others are playing while the starters are sipping tea on the sidelines.

I know that's foreign for ND lately because you all grind out wins or losses. You all are not used to seeing scores of 60+ points a game by your offense where you can put your back ups in and sit your starters very often.

I am a smart fella...

Again, you don't pull EVERY starter. So it is subjective. It also is subjective because you are inferring that if left in, that same result would transpire. I totally understand that you guys have been in some blowouts and that you have rotated people. But there is a reason that there is no real stat for "Def Points Against Starters". If you look at every other defensive stat out there, your made up statistic is significantly better than any stat out there. Finally, as I stated before, if every team did this then there would be like 15-20 teams that average less than 10 points per game.

For instance, Oregon has had every game in the bag by halftime this year. In the first half of the first 7 games they have given up 56 points. Are you telling me that we should really be saying that Oregon holds teams to 8 points per game?

Give me a break...
 
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I'm assuming your a smart fella.

With that said, I assume you understand the difference between your starting defense with a regular rotation and a defense where the backups (or scrubs) are getting experience because the game is virtuall too far out of reach and secure for the win.

Ill also assume that you do recognize that defensive scoring stats show all points allowed by the team, not just the actual defense.

Take the 7 from UTEP, 7 from KSU, and 8 from Texas, and that alone lowers OUs defensive stats...and are true, considering all those points mentioned came not against the defense, but either special teams or offense.

So that's
Vs. Utep, 0 points allowed by the defense.
Vs. FAMU, 13 points
Vs. KSU, 17 points
Vs. Tech, 20 points
Vs. Texas 13 points
Vs. KU 7 points...


So our entire defensive unit has allowed 70 total points or just over 11 points per game, with 27 of those 70 points coming in garbage time, or late in the 4th.

Any fan will not count those garbage pooints when the game has all but been decided and the backups and others are playing while the starters are sipping tea on the sidelines.

I know that's foreign for ND lately because you all grind out wins or losses. You all are not used to seeing scores of 60+ points a game by your offense where you can put your back ups in and sit your starters very often.

USELESS FACTS ALERT:

I had to go all the way back to 1996 when ND scored 60+ points in a game and did it in back to back games that year against Pitt (60-6) and Rutgers (62-0). Last year, we got to 59 against Air Force and 56 against Navy. Before those two 50+ point games, you have to go back to 2003 against Stanford when ND won 57-7.
 
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I think he is primarily weakside. But don't quote me on that..

RJ washington is our other starter and he is a 4 star talent that finally seems to fitting into his potential when he was being recruited.

Ndulue is a freshman (or rsf) and going to be something special. (At least I think he is some type of freshman. Posting from phone, so don't have the info infront of me.

The right side of the ND OL with Golic Jr at RG and Lombard at RT is the weakest of the OL with the left side, Zack Martin and Chris Watt (Cave is the C) being the more experienced and consistent side.
 

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Open letter from the OU president...
This will be a special weekend. The Oklahoma Sooners will have the chance to post a VICTORY as we observe the 55th Anniversary of the ending of OU’s 47-game winning streak — the longest in college football history. A visit by ESPN’s GameDay will add to the excitement.
It’s a time for wins both on and off the field. In 1999, the last time we played Notre Dame, several of us made the trip to South Bend for the game. We have never experienced greater hospitality when visiting another campus. Everywhere we went on campus, from the ticket takers at the stadium to students and fans we met on the campus, we were warmly greeted by the words, “welcome to Notre Dame.” We were stopped by those who wanted to tell us how much they respect Oklahoma. We now have a chance to show our visitors from Notre Dame the same kind of warm hospitality in return. While our team wins on the field, it’s time for the rest of us to step up and demonstrate “Championship Hospitality.”
Boomer Sooner,
David Boren

My brother in law teaches at OU and my wife is an alum... whenever I go to Norman I always rock my Irish gear and I never get a single negative comment or mean glance from it... I have done the same on Mizzou's campus, UCLA's, USC's and both Oregon's... there is a lot of hate and just needless crap starting at each of the others...

I am kind of suprised by all the trolling from OU fans this week... my expectation is that Irish fans will have a great time and be treated warmly.
 

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Notre Dame fans will be treated fine and have a great time. You guys can check the Posts from FSU fans, as to how much they enjoyed themselves(prior to kickoff). It will be a big party in all directions for several hours before the game starts. You will see lots of scalpers around the stadium and lots of people drinking beer. Every fan base has jack asses on message boards and in person, but most Okies are fairly laid back and don't take themselves too seriously. As for our oline, they've really jelled as the season has progressed. We lost two starters in August and you never know how other players will do. I'm interested to see how both defenses defend the run early in the game. I'm also interested to see how your 4th and 5th cover dbs will do when they're spread out. It's gonna be a badass game and I'll definitely be there!
 

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I think this game will come down to mistakes. OU's offense vs our defenders will be the best part of the game. I see us destroying their o-line all game, but Landry and their wr's will make sure they get theirs if they can run their hurry up effectively and confuse our secondary.

I'm not sure what our offensive Gameplan will be though. OU's defense is mostly untested so far so they also are a big question mark..

Should be an awesome game. I'm looking forward to Saturday.
 

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Notre Dame fans will be treated fine and have a great time. You guys can check the Posts from FSU fans, as to how much they enjoyed themselves(prior to kickoff). It will be a big party in all directions for several hours before the game starts. You will see lots of scalpers around the stadium and lots of people drinking beer. Every fan base has jack asses on message boards and in person, but most Okies are fairly laid back and don't take themselves too seriously. As for our oline, they've really jelled as the season has progressed. We lost two starters in August and you never know how other players will do. I'm interested to see how both defenses defend the run early in the game. I'm also interested to see how your 4th and 5th cover dbs will do when they're spread out. It's gonna be a badass game and I'll definitely be there!

Love the post. Great attitude and frankly, the right one for all fans of all fan bases. Oklahoma is my number two team on account of a pair of brothers I met serving in The United States Navy. Wish I wasn't a starving student and could be there for game day. I'm interested in all the matchups you mentioned. Again, great post. I have Norman down as a game destination I'd like to experience before I matriculate to the next. But, before that happens, GO IRISH!!!

Cheers!
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I am glad we are 10 point underdogs... the win will look more impressive and I'll make more money from Vegas. Go Irish!!
 

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This Troll who admits ND is for real and so is Golson .

I want to know what if anything scares you about the Sooners? from what I gather on this board we are on par with Stanford and BYU.

The fact that your 77-3 in Norman under Stoops, and your quick up-tempo Offense
 

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Agree with all points except the bolded. McGee isn't going to change much. He will add some depth but the guy hasn't played real game snaps since last winter. He has been practicing but I would be shocked if he makes a big impact.

So your secondary is really that good?
 

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Lastly to all OU fans. IN your honest opinion do you think ND will be able to run the ball successfully? If so I honestly think that's ND's biggest shot in beating you guys. That way your offense has no time to get into a groove and we can hold the ball for most of the game.
 

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Lastly to all OU fans. IN your honest opinion do you think ND will be able to run the ball successfully? If so I honestly think that's ND's biggest shot in beating you guys. That way your offense has no time to get into a groove and we can hold the ball for most of the game.

It is tough for anyone to run on OU if they can't pass effectively.

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