Who do you want?

[#1irishfan]

Clausen, Quinn, or Rees?

If you go back and look at all 3 of their careers and analyze Quinn and Clausen's numbers their freshman and sophomore years and compare them to Rees you will see Rees is on par to crush their career numbers! or here ya go.....

Brady Quinn:

First Seven Starts: 121 of 258 (47%) 5 TD, 11 INT, 86.1 QB Rating. W/L Record: 3-4
Sophomore Season: 191 of 353 (54%) 17 TD, 10 INT, 125.9 QB Rating. W/L Record: 6-6

Jimmy Clausen:

First Seven Starts: 99 of 175 (56%) 4 TD, 5 INT, 93.1 QB Rating. W/L Record: 1-6
Sophomore Season: 268 of 440 (61%) 25 TD, 17 INT, 132.5 QB Rating. W/L Record: 7-6

Tommy Rees*:

First Seven Starts: 139 of 220 (63%) 16 TD, 10 INT, 138.7 QB Rating. W/L Record: 5-2
Sophomore Season: 69 of 99 (70%) 6 TD, 5 INT, 145.1 QB Rating. W/L Record: 1-1

*Stats include the Tulsa game as a start." per Keith Arnold over at ITI

I'd like to know how you guys feel after looking at the stats? Of course yesterdays game is not included!

 

[koonja]

A) There's a lot of threads about this.

B) These don't mean anything because Tommy's surrounded by the most talented team we've had in recent memory and in Clausen and Quinn's early years the teams were pretty bad and probably hoped to be bowl eligible rather than make a BCS game, which is what we expected this year.

 

[Irish Fam]

I have to admit thats pretty interesting. For argument's sake though, I don't recall the talent level of those teams for Quinn and Clausen's stats being on par with this group. I also don't believe that Rees has the physical tools of Quinn or Clausen. This is the reason for all of the talk of a low ceiling.

 

[#1irishfan]

A) There's a lot of threads about this.

B) These don't mean anything because Tommy's surrounded by the most talented team we've had in recent memory and in Clausen and Quinn's early years the teams were pretty bad and probably hoped to be bowl eligible rather than make a BCS game, which is what we expected this year.

So....If there are threads about Tommy Rees in general I can't ask a question? I'll make no bones about the fact that I have been a believer in Tommy Rees since he did what he did at Tulsa last year even with the INT. I am interested in those of you that detract from the young mans resiliency, heart and other skills leaders are woven from!

I apologize if I'm being redundant with this thread! I haven't read any threads with this question?

 

[IHateMarkMay]

How many fumbles did Quinn and Clausen have in those time spans...???

 

[meowmix]

Every time I think of what Clausen would do in this offense I skeet in my pants.

 

[koonja]

Every time I think of what Clausen would do in this offense I skeet in my pants.

I get depressed thinking about that. He had it all, the most accurate QB I've ever seen and I don't know anyone that made better decisions that he did.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Tommy Rees is so obviously not Clausen or Quinn that this thread is pointless... different teams, different systems, different opponents...

that being said, Clausen vs Quinn IS an interesting topic, especially as the presence of either under center would instantly transform this years team into a NC contender.

 

[KPENN]

I get depressed thinking about that. He had it all, the most accurate QB I've ever seen and I don't know anyone that made better decisions that he did.

And did it on 1 foot for a majority of the year. To bad he doesn't have this defense. Incredible 2009 he had to bad it was wasted

Edit: also did it with a bad running game

 

[koonja]

Tommy Rees is so obviously not Clausen or Quinn that this thread is pointless... different teams, different systems, different opponents...

that being said, Clausen vs Quinn IS an interesting topic, especially as the presence of either under center would instantly transform this years team into a NC contender.

That's a great QU. Initially, my response would be Clausen. Although, BQ could actually 'run' in a spread, as I don't think Clausen could even beat Rees in a race. I think I'd still take Clausen. Just way too accurate, ball came out beautifully and always to the right guy.

 

[ErieIrish13]

With Quinn and Clausen at qb, there was a sense of wow this kid's gonna be good!

With Tommy, its like I just hope we get a W.

Lets face it, Tommy isn't the quarterback of the future like Clausen and Quinn were, so im just riding the Rees train until it stops.

 

[irishfaith]

Tommy throws a pass like Clausen every half dozen tries or so. If you are asking me who I want out of those three (Quinn, Tommy, or Clausen). Give me #7 every day of the week and twice on Saturdays.

 

[Kak7304]

And did it on 1 foot for a majority of the year. To bad he doesn't have this defense. Incredible 2009 he had to bad it was wasted

Edit: also did it with a bad running game

And behind a porous O-line.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Clausen definitely had the best arm of the three, but Brady Quinn was a Leader of Men... he had a personality that elevated the entire program...

Tommy Rees is neither a golden armed natural nor is he a Leader of Men. He is, however, a capable back-up.

 

[#1irishfan]

Clausen definitely had the best arm of the three, but Brady Quinn was a Leader of Men... he had a personality that elevated the entire program...

Tommy Rees is neither a golden armed natural nor is he a Leader of Men. He is, however, a capable back-up.

would have to disagree on his leadership skills.....Why else does the team seem to respond better with him in the game?

 

[jason_h537]

Clausen on this team would be absolutely deadly. The team would be rolling on offense. 4-0 for sure.

I know people love to point to Rees's record but Quinn and Clausen never had the D, o-line or running game that Rees currently enjoys

 

[BMT]

Running QB

Running QB

Seriously,
I would rather have Golson run this offense, with the talent ND has and a running QB there would be no stopping this offense besides fumbles and ints, and as LOU HOLTZ says "Ladies and Gentlemen"--WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE!!!!!

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Seriously,
I would rather have Golson run this offense, with the talent ND has and a running QB there would be no stopping this offense besides fumbles and ints, and as LOU HOLTZ says "Ladies and Gentlemen"--WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE!!!!!

You would rather have a ready and capable Golson run this offense.. He is obviously not there yet. If he was BK would play him.

 

[jason_h537]

Seriously,
I would rather have Golson run this offense, with the talent ND has and a running QB there would be no stopping this offense besides fumbles and ints, and as LOU HOLTZ says "Ladies and Gentlemen"--WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE!!!!!

Have you seen Golson play? What has he done in practice that has you so convinced he will turn this team around right now? What do you know that Kelly and the staff does not? What other than his HS highlight tapes and a few spring game snaps makes you believe that him at quarterback will make the 2011 team significantly better than Rees or Crist?

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Have you seen Golson play? What has he done in practice that has you so convinced he will turn this team around right now? What do you know that Kelly and the staff does not? What other than his HS highlight tapes and a few spring game snaps makes you believe that him at quarterback will make the 2011 team significantly better than Rees or Crist?

no one has seen him on the field in game situations, so no one knows what he is capable of doing. you don't know, I don't know. I'd love to find out, though.

 

[Kak7304]

no one has seen him on the field in game situations, so no one knows what he is capable of doing. you don't know, I don't know. I'd love to find out, though.

Kelly has repeatedly said that Golson has a very limited knowledge of the offense. I'm pretty sure he has a good idea of what Golson can do at this point.

 

[Kak7304]

I do believe Golson has some great physical gifts and would make some big plays, but he just doesn't have the knowledge to run the whole O at this point.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Kelly has repeatedly said that Golson has a very limited knowledge of the offense. I'm pretty sure he has a good idea of what Golson can do at this point.

he's not so sure of what Rees can do, or else he wouldn't have such a loose leash for making mistakes.. he must think Rees is capable of big things to allow him to commit so many mistakes without yanking him.. I'm not saying that he's wrong yet, but his optimism of Rees isn't really coming to fruition..

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

I do believe Golson has some great physical gifts and would make some big plays, but he just doesn't have the knowledge to run the whole O at this point.

then don't have him run the whole O.. give him a diluted playbook and allow him to make some plays with his feet.. sure, he'll turn it over about 3 times a game and make some bonehead mistakes, but at least he's making them now as a frosh and gets a year under his belt and confidence going into next year.. makes absolutely no sense to waste a year with Rees as the starter instead of getting the youngins some reps and experience

 

[Kak7304]

he's not so sure of what Rees can do, or else he wouldn't have such a loose leash for making mistakes.. he must think Rees is capable of big things to allow him to commit so many mistakes without yanking him.. I'm not saying that he's wrong yet, but his optimism of Rees isn't really coming to fruition..

He does know how much of the offense Rees knows. He knows that Rees does a decent job of making pre-snap reads and making the appropriate adjustments. He knows Rees will complete a high percentage of his passes. Rees has to learn how to cut down on mistakes, but he does move the ball and does a decent job of getting the ball to his playmakers. I'm not arguing that Rees is the future of ND football, but he is the best option at the moment. I also believe it would be asinine to burn a year of Golson's eligibility to "see what he can do."

 

[NDFan4Life]

then don't have him run the whole O.. give him a diluted playbook and allow him to make some plays with his feet.. sure, he'll turn it over about 3 times a game and make some bonehead mistakes, but at least he's making them now as a frosh and gets a year under his belt and confidence going into next year.. makes absolutely no sense to waste a year with Rees as the starter instead of getting the youngins some reps and experience

So it'll be OK for Golson to turn the ball over 3 or more times a game, but it's not OK if Rees turns the ball over a few times a game?

Now I'm really confused.

 

[Kak7304]

then don't have him run the whole O.. give him a diluted playbook and allow him to make some plays with his feet.. sure, he'll turn it over about 3 times a game and make some bonehead mistakes, but at least he's making them now as a frosh and gets a year under his belt and confidence going into next year.. makes absolutely no sense to waste a year with Rees as the starter instead of getting the youngins some reps and experience

With this statement, you must believe we should throw in the towel on the season. Might as well sit Floyd so Davaris Daniels can get some experience too.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

He does know how much of the offense Rees knows. He knows that Rees does a decent job of making pre-snap reads and making the appropriate adjustments. He knows Rees will complete a high percentage of his passes. Rees has to learn how to cut down on mistakes, but he does move the ball and does a decent job of getting the ball to his playmakers. I'm not arguing that Rees is the future of ND football, but he is the best option at the moment. I also believe it would be asinine to burn a year of Golson's eligibility to "see what he can do."

and for the record, I guess I didn't state this, I'm all for change if/when we lose our 3rd game.. mediocre QB play sucks, but as long as we're in BCS contention still with only two losses, I can live with our mediocre QB luckboxing wins against inferior opponents.. once we hit that 3rd loss, Rees has to come out immediately and make way for Hendrix/Golson to get some experience

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

With this statement, you must believe we should throw in the towel on the season. Might as well sit Floyd so Davaris Daniels can get some experience too.

yeah I forgot this is a different thread and didn't realize I hadn't said after we lose our 3rd game I'm advocating this change.. that's my bad.. for now, we play our immobile mediocre QB

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Clausen hands down.

Quinn had a running game, decent line, and a decent defense.
Rees has a very good running game, good line, and a great defense (as of now)
Clausen had no run game, not a good line, and the worst defenses i have seen....yet we were in every game.

Quinn would be more of game manager in the spread as he was in Charlies. Quinn had a decent deep ball, but as he does now struggles with accuracy. I feel that Kelly would run the same type of offense with him as he does Rees where everything is within 17 yards with more read option with quinn being a little more athletic. I think itd be more of a west coast out of the spread.

Clausen would put up at least 4500 yards in the spread. Accuracy and his deep ball would stretch the field to ridic measures. As in Charlies, the deep ball would be thrown at least a couple times per half. It would be very exciting to watch Clausen throwing into coverages that didnt involve 8-9 guys like he did with a run game established lol.

Rees---hes still learning. Yet he is making progress. I mean he hasnt even played 10 games yet and ND Nation wants him to be Clausen. Not going to happen in less than a year. He had a terrible first half saturday, yet cameback and won the game in the 2nd half. He isnt going to be Clausen/Quinn but he will win more games than they did if he ends up starting for another year or two. He does what he has to do to win. Ken Dorsey comes to mind when I think of Rees. Not going to blow you away with his arm, makes good decisions, has a great D, and athletes around him on O.