BK stays at ND

[IrishFan4L]

This guy just got his @$$ kicked in the NCG and now he's conveniently out if county right now. There is nothing good from this. I wonder who else is out of country a month before NSD. It's all B.S..

 

[drayer54]

Worst of all, I hate the F%^&ing Eagles!

 

[connor_in]

I figured it out...

Black Dynamite - Anaconda Malt Liquor Conclusion Scene - YouTube

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I hope that isn't a bad sign. I mean why not talk to the recruits and let them know everything is fine. This is the most important and best class he has brought in. You would think if this in fact is all a bunch of rubbish these kids wouldn't be tweeting these types of things out.

In the country or out. By now, if you plan on staying, you get word out to recruits so there is no defection a month before signing day. IMO. If it is in fact a move to gain leverage for a new contract. If you plan on leaving then do nothing.

How could he do that without signaling to Swarbrick that this is just a bluff?

 

[ulukinatme]

I think I said it in the Bears thread, but even in Notre Dame's time of mediocrity this has never been a stepping stone job. You can't name one coach that has ever used this job to get to a loftier position later. Joe Kuharich would be the closest possible one that ended up bolting to the NFL, but quite frankly that seat felt a little hot. Thats 80 years of coaches where they either ended up fired, or Notre Dame was essentially the summit of their coaching careers. So, Dan Wetzel can shove it, I'm going to side with history here.

 

[aubeirish]

I think he has deserved a little vacation with his family. For all we know the interview could have been a simple phone call. Kelly is trying to gain leverage. He's a college coach, and I'm quite sure he feels the same way. Also, I would be surprised if he left before he won at least one NC.

 

[ND NYC]

Some of you guys have really active imaginations. Sure, that is possible.....along with about 1000 other scenarios. There is no info. No reason to start accusing people of misplaying the situation or acting "classless." It's the NFL and college football's most visible program in the mix here - what actually happened here will undoubtedly come to light. I wish we didn't need to jump to conclusions based only on how our own minds work instead of waiting for something to happen to react to it.

easy there now, counselor...who did i say acted "classless"?
i was simply laying out what i thought could have/might have happened, and making a comment on the situation. its a chat room not the 9th circuit.
and truth be told i really could care less about everything or anything "coming to light" at some point in the future...all i am interested in is the outcome here.

 

[Chi_IRISH]

That's a tough situation but if you intend on winning and winning consistently this class is vital!

 

[PLACforever]

Spent most of the morning on the phone with recruits. House got egged last night and the sign on the lawn wasn't a FOR SALE sign.
12:33pm - 13 Dec 09
https://mobile.twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly/status/6634010980
...After leaving Cincy

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think I said it in the Bears thread, but even in Notre Dame's time of mediocrity this has never been a stepping stone job. You can't name one coach that has ever used this job to get to a loftier position later. Joe Kuharich would be the closest possible one that ended up bolting to the NFL, but quite frankly that seat felt a little hot. Thats 80 years of coaches where they either ended up fired, or Notre Dame was essentially the summit of their coaching careers. So, Dan Wetzel can shove it, I'm going to side with history here.

That's my feeling as well. ND is a destination job. If you can succeed here, you're set until you decide to walk away.

There are no destination jobs in the NFL. Kelly would really be a fool to leave what he's got here. But his history does indicate he's a climber. If in his mind, the NFL is the final peak that demands scaling, then his eventual departure may be inevitable.

 

[ARALOU]

How could he do that without signaling to Swarbrick that this is just a bluff?

I thought about that too. Its a valid point. I don't know. All I know is it smells really bad. I hope it all gets straightened out quickly. I guess leaving now is better than 3 weeks from now.

 

[phork]

That's my feeling as well. ND is a destination job. If you can succeed here, you're set until you decide to walk away.

There are no destination jobs in the NFL. Kelly would really be a fool to leave what he's got here. But his history does indicate he's a climber. If in his mind, the NFL is the final peak that demands scaling, then his eventual departure may be inevitable.

Keep telling yourself that. RE: Destination Job.

 

[NDdomer2]

so this may not be the best "timing" not even close, but when else was he supposed to do it?

as far as vacation, who gives a ****. if anyone has earned a vacation, it's this guy.

And who is to say he won't be the first person the EE kids see when they step on campus?

would it suck a big one if he leaves, absolutely.

BUT THIS UNIVERSITY IS BIGGER THAN BRIAN KELLY!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Keep telling yourself that. RE: Destination Job.

Name the last coach who left ND for a better gig.

 

[ND NYC]

while we dont know what he makes, we do know he wants to live like a king.

what in gods name is the story with those three??

 

[IrishLax]

First of all... anyone here (and there are a lot of you) saying "you don't need to do this for leverage" really do not understand negotiation. Jack Swarbick/ND/anyone anywhere in any business doesn't pay someone more than they have to. EVER. No one just cuts a big *** check with a bunch of guaranteed years for the hell of it.

The truth is BK is currently SERIOUSLY underpaid and this is the best time he might ever have to renegotiate his contract. His agent (and anyone near him with half a brain) is telling him to interview everywhere possible and get as many people chomping at the bit as he can. THAT IS HOW YOU GET LEVERAGE IN A BUSINESS SITUATION. He makes well below the average NFL head coaching salary right now... probably something like 35-50% below the average. And less than half of what top paid coaches (including the likes of Pete Carroll) make.

If you put yourself in his shoes there is no way you turn downs MILLIONS just because it might look bad for a couple days while you're on vacation. If the Eagles want to offer him $5mil/year then he can come back to the table and say "look, this is my current offer. What can you do to beat it?" Otherwise? He just sits there and counts on Jack's good graces to give him a "fair" raise. And what if Jack doesn't want to meet it and says "sorry, we can only pay you $3 mil"... then Kelly very might take that 80% pay increase and move on. Would you turn down millions of dollars? I wouldn't.

Just look at what Les Miles did with Arkansas this past offseason. He made hundreds of thousands of dollars more this year and got a contract extension because he decided to flirt with Arkansas. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IF HE DOESN'T ENTERTAIN THEIR OFFER.

Wake up and smell the roses. This is a big time business. The ball is squarely in Swarbick's and Jenkins' and whoever the heck else has cutting the check approval's court right now. There is absolutely 100% an amount of money that will keep him in South Bend no matter who comes calling and it's just up to them to pay him. At the same time. they don't want to get Charlied.

And such goes negotiations. If this sh*t was simple, we would never have sports lockouts.

 

[Rhode Irish]

easy there now, counselor...who did i say acted "classless"?
i was simply laying out what i thought could have/might have happened, and making a comment on the situation. its a chat room not the 9th circuit.
and truth be told i really could care less about everything or anything "coming to light" at some point in the future...all i am interested in is the outcome here.

You didn't say the "classless" thing. I was more responding generally to things I've read in this thread. But I don't think you'll have to wait long into the future. By mid day tomorrow there will be some insight one way or the other.

 

[Irish YJ]

First of all... anyone here (and there are a lot of you) saying "you don't need to do this for leverage" really do not understand negotiation. Jack Swarbick/ND/anyone anywhere in any business doesn't pay someone more than they have to. EVER. No one just cuts a big *** check with a bunch of guaranteed years for the hell of it.

The truth is BK is currently SERIOUSLY underpaid and this is the best time he might ever have to renegotiate his contract. His agent (and anyone near him with half a brain) is telling him to interview everywhere possible and get as many people chomping at the bit as he can. THAT IS HOW YOU GET LEVERAGE IN A BUSINESS SITUATION. He makes well below the average NFL head coaching salary right now... probably something like 35-50% below the average. And less than half of what top paid coaches (including the likes of Pete Carroll) make.

If you put yourself in his shoes there is no way you turn downs MILLIONS just because it might look bad for a couple days while you're on vacation. If the Eagles want to offer him $5mil/year then he can come back to the table and say "look, this is my current offer. What can you do to beat it?" Otherwise? He just sits there and counts on Jack's good graces to give him a "fair" raise. And what if Jack doesn't want to meet it and says "sorry, we can only pay you $3 mil"... then Kelly very might take that 80% pay increase and move on. Would you turn down millions of dollars? I wouldn't.

Just look at what Les Miles did with Arkansas this past offseason. He made hundreds of thousands of dollars more this year and got a contract extension because he decided to flirt with Arkansas. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IF HE DOESN'T ENTERTAIN THEIR OFFER.

Wake up and smell the roses. This is a big time business. The ball is squarely in Swarbick's and Jenkins' and whoever the heck else has cutting the check approval's house right now. There is absolutely 100% an amount of money that will keep him in South Bend no matter who comes calling and it's just up to them to pay him. At the same time. they don't want to get Charlied.

And such goes negotiations. If this sh*t was simple, we would never have sports lockouts.

Wisdom. Reps.

 

[phork]

Name the last coach who left ND for a better gig.

The successful ones retired or were forced out pre-1993, every other one was fired. Its not like someone hung on here for 30 years. Rockne has the longest tenure of any coach at 12 years. Most fired.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

First of all... anyone here (and there are a lot of you) saying "you don't need to do this for leverage" really do not understand negotiation. Jack Swarbick/ND/anyone anywhere in any business doesn't pay someone more than they have to. EVER. No one just cuts a big *** check with a bunch of guaranteed years for the hell of it.

The truth is BK is currently SERIOUSLY underpaid and this is the best time he might ever have to renegotiate his contract. His agent (and anyone near him with half a brain) is telling him to interview everywhere possible and get as many people chomping at the bit as he can. THAT IS HOW YOU GET LEVERAGE IN A BUSINESS SITUATION. He makes well below the average NFL head coaching salary right now... probably something like 35-50% below the average. And less than half of what top paid coaches (including the likes of Pete Carroll) make.

If you put yourself in his shoes there is no way you turn downs MILLIONS just because it might look bad for a couple days while you're on vacation. If the Eagles want to offer him $5mil/year then he can come back to the table and say "look, this is my current offer. What can you do to beat it?" Otherwise? He just sits there and counts on Jack's good graces to give him a "fair" raise. And what if Jack doesn't want to meet it and says "sorry, we can only pay you $3 mil"... then Kelly very might take that 80% pay increase and move on. Would you turn down millions of dollars? I wouldn't.

Just look at what Les Miles did with Arkansas this past offseason. He made hundreds of thousands of dollars more this year and got a contract extension because he decided to flirt with Arkansas. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IF HE DOESN'T ENTERTAIN THEIR OFFER.

Wake up and smell the roses. This is a big time business. The ball is squarely in Swarbick's and Jenkins' and whoever the heck else has cutting the check approval's court right now. There is absolutely 100% an amount of money that will keep him in South Bend no matter who comes calling and it's just up to them to pay him. At the same time. they don't want to get Charlied.

And such goes negotiations. If this sh*t was simple, we would never have sports lockouts.

Reps man. I agree with you completely. I needed to look at it from other angles.

 

[ARALOU]

Worst of all, I hate the F%^&ing Eagles!

Hey, hey, hey! Cowboy fan? At least the Eagles aren't hiring Jimmy Johnson. OMG! More reason to hate the Cowboys when Jones hired that *#&%er.

 

[IrishLax]

The successful ones retired or were forced out pre-1993, every other one was fired. Its not like someone hung on here for 30 years. Rockne has the longest tenure of any coach at 12 years.

That's exactly his point. You either retire, get forced out, or get fired. I can't think of a single coach who ever made a move from ND under his own volition for the heck of it or an "upgrade."

This has no bearing on Kelly's situation whatsoever, but to argue that ND isn't a destination job when you can't supply the name of a single coach who used it as a stepping stone is illogical at best.

 

[ND NYC]

First of all... anyone here (and there are a lot of you) saying "you don't need to do this for leverage" really do not understand negotiation. Jack Swarbick/ND/anyone anywhere in any business doesn't pay someone more than they have to. EVER. No one just cuts a big *** check with a bunch of guaranteed years for the hell of it.

The truth is BK is currently SERIOUSLY underpaid and this is the best time he might ever have to renegotiate his contract. His agent (and anyone near him with half a brain) is telling him to interview everywhere possible and get as many people chomping at the bit as he can. THAT IS HOW YOU GET LEVERAGE IN A BUSINESS SITUATION. He makes well below the average NFL head coaching salary right now... probably something like 35-50% below the average. And less than half of what top paid coaches (including the likes of Pete Carroll) make.

If you put yourself in his shoes there is no way you turn downs MILLIONS just because it might look bad for a couple days while you're on vacation. If the Eagles want to offer him $5mil/year then he can come back to the table and say "look, this is my current offer. What can you do to beat it?" Otherwise? He just sits there and counts on Jack's good graces to give him a "fair" raise. And what if Jack doesn't want to meet it and says "sorry, we can only pay you $3 mil"... then Kelly very might take that 80% pay increase and move on. Would you turn down millions of dollars? I wouldn't.

Just look at what Les Miles did with Arkansas this past offseason. He made hundreds of thousands of dollars more this year and got a contract extension because he decided to flirt with Arkansas. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IF HE DOESN'T ENTERTAIN THEIR OFFER.

Wake up and smell the roses. This is a big time business. The ball is squarely in Swarbick's and Jenkins' and whoever the heck else has cutting the check approval's court right now. There is absolutely 100% an amount of money that will keep him in South Bend no matter who comes calling and it's just up to them to pay him. At the same time. they don't want to get Charlied.

And such goes negotiations. If this sh*t was simple, we would never have sports lockouts.

nailed it. reps

and good night all.

i can say this there is never, ever, a dull moment being an ND fan

 

[clashmore_mike]

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[We_Are_ND]

If BK leaves I will have lost a little respect for him. I understand interviewing for other jobs and listening, but I just don't feel that after three seasons and one good season you leave a program. I don't think that is enough time to stabilize a program, and the thought of using ND as a stepping stone to the NFL rubs me the wrong way.

Also if he leaves it makes that "We are ND" locker room speech seem like a complete joke. That's the things I think about when I hear this.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The successful ones retired or were forced out pre-1993, every other one was fired. Its not like someone hung on here for 30 years. Rockne has the longest tenure of any coach at 12 years. Most fired.

As Lax mentioned, that's the very definition of a destination job. It doesn't mean that coaches stick around for 30+ years.

 

[ARALOU]

Was Weis interviewing when he hit the ND lottery? I can't recall.

 

[phork]

That's exactly his point. You either retire, get forced out, or get fired. I can't think of a single coach who ever made a move from ND under his own volition for the heck of it or an "upgrade."

This has no bearing on Kelly's situation whatsoever, but to argue that ND isn't a destination job when you can't supply the name of a single coach who used it as a stepping stone is illogical at best.

The point is, is that its not a destination job because you either burn out early, can't sustain a long career or you get fired after a few years. In this day and age that doesn't rank high on a lot coaches lists. The right man for this job will be rewarded in spades.

 

[ulukinatme]

I want to thank BK for a hell of a season. However, even with the possibility of losing a stellar class, and maybe another rebuilding period, he should move on. Save all the talk about this is how it's done to get a raise, blah blah blah. He was going to get a raise and be taken very well care of. Now he has used our beloved ND, and I don't like. Sure I'm going to enjoy the seasons where will continue to flirt with NCs with him here, but there will always be a bitter feeling with me. What, every couple of years we have to go through this crap with BK?

Is he a ND guy or what? Is ND the best job "high school, college, and pro" or what? This was not necessary, in my opinion. I agree we was severely underpaid, but all he had to do was say "look at what we just did, and look at what we have coming", end of negotiation.

This is not a melt down, just an extreme disappointment.

Get over it. This is what coaches do, see Charlie Weis, Les Miles, Chip Kelly, and a zillion other guys. If you want to be bitter, thats up to you. This garbage is all ESPN poking the fire. Granted, I don't like the timing, but Philly Eagles !> University of Notre Dame. Theres a small handful of coaching jobs I would consider to be a step up from Notre Dame, at least from a perks and lowered expectations stand point. Don't buy into the BS, trust your head and look at history.

 

[Itchynut]

I want to thank BK for a hell of a season. However, even with the possibility of losing a stellar class, and maybe another rebuilding period, he should move on. Save all the talk about this is how it's done to get a raise, blah blah blah. He was going to get a raise and be taken very well care of. Now he has used our beloved ND, and I don't like. Sure I'm going to enjoy the seasons where will continue to flirt with NCs with him here, but there will always be a bitter feeling with me. What, every couple of years we have to go through this crap with BK?

Is he a ND guy or what? Is ND the best job "high school, college, and pro" or what? This was not necessary, in my opinion. I agree we was severely underpaid, but all he had to do was say "look at what we just did, and look at what we have coming", end of negotiation.

This is not a melt down, just an extreme disappointment.

This is just laughable at this point....Really? "He should just move on"... Coach Kelly said in his pre NCG press conference that he would always listen when the opportunity presented itself. Clearly, the Eagles presented an opportunity and he is listening to what they have to say. This does not mean he is going anywhere. He has not lied to any of us or any recruits. In fact, he is doing exactly what he said he would do, which is "listen" to offers. In the same conference he stated he is not leaving Notre Dame. To write him off for listening to what an N.F.L. team had to say is simply ridiculous and short sided.