BK is staying-what does the team need to PLAC?

[kmoose]

I think we need to see him "in his own" before passing judgement. If he calls truly his own plays and doesn't cut it, then get rid of him. But I don't think we have seen him in a situation where he's been given the latitude. Until them, I don't think any of us can say either way.

That's my point. Everyone seems to think he is some kind of offensive genius, but we haven't seen any real evidence of that yet at ND.

 

[ThePiombino]

Jeff Fisher is going to have losing seasons in 16-22 years as a NFL head coach.

Out of 27 years as a HC, Kelly has had 2 losing seasons. 2!!!!!


Of course there's a qualifier......NFL to NCAA isn't an apples to apples comparison yet you made it anyways. Then you point out wins and losses after saying that doesn't count in comparison...

LOLOLOLOL

I was going to reply, but there's really no need since you hit the nail on the head. Thank you.

Proceeds to respond to posts in the thread he is complaining about...



Looking forward to my month off

Good news is you're white noise and no one will even realize you're gone. I literally forgot you existed until I saw this stellar contribution quoted above.

Bye, Felicia.

 

[ND NYC]

BK is like the scorpion in the scorpion and the frog parable, don't expect any changes to any thing he does: he is what he is and doesn't know/contemplate doing anything differently. he may say he does, or give some BS answer, but if he stays offense will not be changing one bit.
and the d cant get any worse.
so to answer the thread question in order to PLAC, Jack needs a change at the top of the football team. The players have as much culpability in the shitshow that is ND football whether its screwing up in school and hurting the team, or simply just not having what it takes to win. But Like someone once said "you cant fire all the players".
My sense is that there is a growing rift inside the Gug, and things have become toxic out there between Kelly, players, assistants etc.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Notebook: Next Notre Dame coordinator will have freedom to choose his staff | Notre Dame Insider Football | ndinsider.com

 

[Irish YJ]

Notebook: Next Notre Dame coordinator will have freedom to choose his staff | Notre Dame Insider Football | ndinsider.com

Interesting. I'm guessing if they go internal though, not much of a change...
External please please please...

 

[calvegas04]

do whatever BK did last season but with a new DC and less injuries and we are good

 

[ND NYC]

a new DC + keeping the rest of the staff on def side of ball =more of the same.

like those guys but whole new mentality required on D, stop gap BS hire wont fix it.

if we cant get rid of Kelly, at least give me a new sheriff with his own deputies on D.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

Jeff Fisher is going to have losing seasons in 16-22 years as a NFL head coach.

Out of 27 years as a HC, Kelly has had 2 losing seasons. 2!!!!!


Of course there's a qualifier......NFL to NCAA isn't an apples to apples comparison yet you made it anyways. Then you point out wins and losses after saying that doesn't count in comparison...

LOLOLOLOL

What does 16-22 mean?

Including this season, Fisher has 11 losing seasons as an NFL head coach.

 

[BGIF]

What does 16-22 mean?

Including this season, Fisher has 11 losing seasons as an NFL head coach.

Fisher's had 16 non-winning seasons in 22 years not 16 losing seasons. He's had five 8-8 seasons to go with his 11 losing seasons.

 

[Spitfire]

Jeff Fisher is going to have losing seasons in 16-22 years as a NFL head coach.

Out of 27 years as a HC, Kelly has had 2 losing seasons. 2!!!!!


Of course there's a qualifier......NFL to NCAA isn't an apples to apples comparison yet you made it anyways. Then you point out wins and losses after saying that doesn't count in comparison...

LOLOLOLOL

I made the comparison because they are both overrated yet continue to get chance's despite mediocre results. Fisher just got a two year extension and this program continues to bank on Kelly despite his 59-31 record with the trajectory pointing downward. Again, if you want to point to his record at GVSU, Central Michigan, and any other Podunk program he has been at during his tenure as evidence of his coaching greatness...go for it. That stuff means nothing to me and most other's when talking about Notre Dame football.

 

[NDPhilly]

No hes not:

Fisher: 173–163–1 (.515)
Kelly: 112-53-0 (.679)

And that's not even including GVSU where Kelly was 118–35–2 (.771), so stop being so hyperbolic.

It's a different standard for high level college football. There's so much more parity in the talent base that anything below 9-3 for programs like ND, Bama, OSU, USC is (IMO) equivalent to going below 8-8 in the NFL.

 

[dad4aa]

BK is like the scorpion in the scorpion and the frog parable, don't expect any changes to any thing he does: he is what he is and doesn't know/contemplate doing anything differently. he may say he does, or give some BS answer, but if he stays offense will not be changing one bit.
and the d cant get any worse.
so to answer the thread question in order to PLAC, Jack needs a change at the top of the football team. The players have as much culpability in the shitshow that is ND football whether its screwing up in school and hurting the team, or simply just not having what it takes to win. But Like someone once said "you cant fire all the players".
My sense is that there is a growing rift inside the Gug, and things have become toxic out there between Kelly, players, assistants etc.

Not even close. Unless you know some coaches, some players and/or their families you have no idea of what is going on inside the Gug.

 

[Irish YJ]

Not even close. Unless you know some coaches, some players and/or their families you have no idea of what is going on inside the Gug.

Not doubting you, but something obviously isn't working. They can all be happy as pigs in sheet with each other while losing, but losing is the problem, and I hope they are not happy with it. While they may not be at each others throat, human nature would suggest they are at least starting to question what is going on, why it's not working, etc.. That's at a minimum.

 

[dad4aa]

Not doubting you, but something obviously isn't working. They can all be happy as pigs in sheet with each other while losing, but losing is the problem, and I hope they are not happy with it. While they may not be at each others throat, human nature would suggest they are at least starting to question what is going on, why it's not working, etc.. That's at a minimum.

Totally agree there are some issues. But to say there is a rift and things are becoming toxic is not even close. No one likes losing...especially those that come to ND and deal with the brutal academics while playing football. There is still a lot of support for BK and the staff from a lot of the players.

I know some people on here think I like BK because I am always sticking up for him. I actually stopped liking him when he focused more on the Eagles than he did getting us ready for the NC. I posted about it on here and got blasted for what I said. However, I still believe he will lead us to the playoffs before he leaves and he is the right man for the job at this time.

 

[Irish YJ]

Totally agree there are some issues. But to say there is a rift and things are becoming toxic is not even close. No one likes losing...especially those that come to ND and deal with the brutal academics while playing football. There is still a lot of support for BK and the staff from a lot of the players.

I know some people on here think I like BK because I am always sticking up for him. I actually stopped liking him when he focused more on the Eagles than he did getting us ready for the NC. I posted about it on here and got blasted for what I said. However, I still believe he will lead us to the playoffs before he leaves and he is the right man for the job at this time.

If BK is back for another year, not much we can all do about it,,,, except bitch that is lol.
I hope BK gets a good DC, and rocks our worlds next year, but until we see it, there will be a lot more BK bashing until the tide turns. I'd love to say I was wrong about BK, but I can't say that right now...

I'm ready for next year..

 

[PLACforever]

Burn it to the ground

 

[Fbolt]

Totally agree there are some issues. But to say there is a rift and things are becoming toxic is not even close. No one likes losing...especially those that come to ND and deal with the brutal academics while playing football. There is still a lot of support for BK and the staff from a lot of the players.

I hope your correct in this and if true, that can only be a positive beginning to next year. He's staying, and with that, I'll be full of green Kool-Aid next year and need something to remain positive about.

First-Recruiting season is coming to a close. The staff needs to double their efforts.
DC hire is next. BK needs to knock it out of the house with this hire.
Tweaks/other changes-I hope there are changes that deal with the concerns we all see. S&C, toughness, play calling.

 

[dad4aa]

Still hoping this season was an anomaly and we are at 10+ wins next year. Can't come soon enough to get rid of this year's stench. Let's hope we close with a strong recruiting class and make the necessary off-season changes.

 

[ThePiombino]

If BK is back for another year, not much we can all do about it,,,, except bitch that is lol.
I hope BK gets a good DC, and rocks our worlds next year, but until we see it, there will be a lot more BK bashing until the tide turns. I'd love to say I was wrong about BK, but I can't say that right now...

I'm ready for next year..

It's going to be HILARIOUS if/when this happens and certain people on here will argue how that will have set our program even further because it will buy BK that much more time, completely ignoring the fact that he's actually accomplishing the mission...

 

[Black Irish]

Kelly needs to be a football CEO/GM. He has to put the best people in charge of: offense, defense, special teams, and recruiting and properly oversee them without turning into a micro-manager. Easier said then done, but that's what it takes. Kelly is probably stretching himself too thin because he values loyalty over guys who get results.

-On offense, either Denbrock or Sanford needs to be the shot-caller. Make an assessment and pick one. The other guy gets put in charge of offensive recruiting.

-Hire a solid DC and let him run the show. But keep a steady eye on him. Don't get side-tracked by being the shadow/de facto OC.

-Special Teams. Make that a full-time gig. Put the TE coaching on the receivers coach and let the ST guy focus exclusively on his end.

-Recruiting: You need someone to run with this who is passionate, tireless, can connect with the kids, and is an A+ salesman for Notre Dame. Kelly needs someone to set the table for him so that all he has to do is sit down and close. Kelly isn't Dabo Swinney; so he needs a fireball, rah-rah guy to blaze the path for him so that the kid is 95% sold by the time Kelly sits across from him.

-S&C. Maybe Longo is too cerebral and low key. I'm not saying fire the guy, but maybe he needs an assistant who puts the players through old-fashioned pain and suffering regimes. The team lacks toughness and edge. Make them afraid of what hell the S&C coach will put them through if they look soft on game day.

-Admin. the ISD guys made a good point on their post USC podcast that Jack S is in a good position to get things from the ND admin to help the program move forward. Jack should try to get them to budge on some things and/or invest more. Sometimes the powers that be are more willing to open the checkbook and get creative when the chips are down versus when it's all champagne and dancing girls.

That's my take. Of course, I could be way off base. I'm no expert. I'm just a Black Irishman on his third glass of whiskey who really wants to see this program succeed and has opinions about things.

 

[Blazers46]

Recruit more thugs and stop telling on yourself

Edit: And to PLAC you have to SPEND MONEY LIKE A CHAMPION on assistants and players

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

Edit: And to PLAC you have to SPEND MONEY LIKE A CHAMPION on assistants

This is it though. The recruiting hasn't been bad. Obviously we aren't getting top classes every season like OSU and Bama but we aren't winning so that won't happen until the winning happens but the main issue is the supporting coaches and player development.

 

[beryirish]

I removed the hyperlinks so you guys can't contact them but who would you get rid of on the defense if a new DC came in? Would you retain anyone?

Football
Brian Kelly, Head Football Coach
Bob Elliott, Special Assistant to the Head Coach
Paul Longo, Director of Football Strength and Conditionin
Mike Denbrock, Associate Head Coach/Wide Receivers
Mike Sanford, Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
Mike Elston, Recruiting Coordinator/Linebackers
Scott Booker, Special Teams Coordinator/Tight Ends
Harry Hiestand, Offensive Line
Keith Gilmore, Defensive Line
Autry Denson, Running Backs
Todd Lyght, Defensive Backs
Clay Bignell, Graduate Assistant (Defense)
Harland Bower, Graduate Assistant (Defense)
Donovan Raiola, Graduate Assistant (Offense)
Ryan Mahaffey, Graduate Assistant (Offense)
Jake Flint, Assistant Director of Strength and Conditioning
Jeffrey Quinn, Assistant Director of Strength and Conditioning
David Grimes, Assistant Strength and Conditioning Coach
Tim Collins, Video Coordinator
Julie DeBuysser, Senior Staff Assistant - Assistant Coaches
Ryan Grooms, Head Football Equipment Manager
Adam Myers, Assistant Football Equipment Manager
Rob Hunt, Head Football Athletic Trainer
Chad Klunder, Associate Athletic Director for Football Operations
Jason Michelson, Coordinator of Football Operations
David Peloquin, Director of Player Personnel
Ron Powlus, Director of Player Development
Joy McCausland, Senior Staff Assistant
Dr. Matt Leiszler, Team Physician
Dwight Allison, Sports Nutrition Program Director
Aaryn Kearney, Coordinator, Recruiting Operations
Laura Thomas, Social Media Intern
Matthew Mitchell, Football Analyst Intern
Marty Biagi, Football Analyst Intern
Grant Apgar, Football Intern
Tyler Plantz, Football Intern
Beth Rex, Director of Football Administration
Jeff Burris, Senior Analyst

 

[BobbyMac]

Here's Day 1. I let Lake and Kelly fill in the holes.

Brian Kelly, Head Football Coach

Jimmy Lake, Defensive Coordinator

<strike>Bob Elliott</strike>, Special Assistant to the Head Coach
<strike>Paul Longo</strike>, Director of Football Strength and Conditioning
Mike Denbrock, Associate Head Coach/Wide Receivers
Mike Sanford, Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
Mike Elston, <strike>Recruiting Coordinator</strike>Special Teams/Linebackers
<strike>Scott Booker</strike>, Special Teams Coordinator/Tight Ends
Harry Hiestand, Offensive Line
<strike>Keith Gilmore</strike>, Defensive Line
Autry Denson</strike>, Running Backs
Todd Lyght</strike>, Defensive Backs
<strike>Clay Bignell</strike>, Graduate Assistant (Defense)
<strike>Harland Bower</strike>, Graduate Assistant (Defense)
Donovan Raiola, Graduate Assistant (Offense)
<strike>Ryan Mahaffey</strike>, Graduate Assistant (Offense)
<strike>Jake Flint</strike>, Assistant Director of Strength and Conditioning
<strike>Jeffrey Quinn</strike>, Assistant Director of Strength and Conditioning
<strike>David Grimes</strike>, Assistant Strength and Conditioning Coach
Tim Collins, Video Coordinator
<strike>Julie DeBuysser</strike>, Senior Staff Assistant - Assistant Coaches
Ryan Grooms, Head Football Equipment Manager
Adam Myers, Assistant Football Equipment Manager
<strike>Rob Hunt</strike>, Head Football Athletic Trainer
<strike>Chad Klunder</strike>, Associate Athletic Director for Football Operations
<strike>Jason Michelson</strike>, Coordinator of Football Operations
<strike>David Peloquin</strike>, Director of Player Personnel
<strike>Ron Powlus</strike>, Director of Player Development
<strike>Joy McCausland</strike>, Senior Staff Assistant
Dr. Matt Leiszler, Team Physician
<strike>Dwight Allison</strike>, Sports Nutrition Program Director

<strike>Aaryn Kearney</strike>, Coordinator, Recruiting Operations
NDCrusader - Godfather of Talent Acquisition
- SrVP of Bag Men & Escort Services
- SrVP of Catholic Charities Player Automotive "Leasing"

<strike>Laura Thomas</strike>, Social Media Intern
NDCrusader - Minister of Digital Propaganda

Matthew Mitchell, Football Analyst Intern
Marty Biagi, Football Analyst Intern
Grant Apgar, Football Intern
Tyler Plantz, Football Intern
Beth Rex, Director of Football Administration
Jeff Burris, Senior Analyst

 

[Crazy Balki]

Booker, Longo, Gilmore all gone.

Elston becomes solely Special Teams coach, use that 10th coaching spot for a new LB coach. Add about a dozen personnel to the recruiting dept and get 5-6 new analysts. All hands on deck admin, get your head out of your ass.

 

[dublinirish]

Booker, Longo, Gilmore all gone.

Elston becomes solely Special Teams coach, use that 10th coaching spot for a new LB coach. Add about a dozen personnel to the recruiting dept and get 5-6 new analysts. All hands on deck admin, get your head out of your ass.

would require a major extension/addition to the Gug. There simply isn't any more space, they are cramped enough as it is.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Longo won't be gone, I just can't see BK doing that to his best friend. I wonder if Kelly would bump him down or just get somebody to run the S&C program

 

[Free Manera]

Longo won't be gone, I just can't see BK doing that to his best friend. I wonder if Kelly would bump him down or just get somebody to run the S&C program

With the lack of transparency in the program, we can't be sure Longo is at fault for the S&C woes. If he is, he needs to go and Kelly shouldn't have a choice in that matter. But it's possible that Kelly has forced a finesse-focused program on him.

The reason I say that is that Longo is a very qualified strength coach that spent alot of time coaching at Iowa. He coached olympic lifting there as well as headed the S&C for various other sports. Iowa has always based their programs on power and I'm sure that is the philosophy that is ingrained in Longo's methods. So either he had a change of heart and switched to finesse and speed, or someone else forced him to. If it's the latter, then let him get back to his roots.

 

[NDdomer2]

With the lack of transparency in the program, we can't be sure Longo is at fault for the S&C woes. If he is, he needs to go and Kelly shouldn't have a choice in that matter. But it's possible that Kelly has forced a finesse-focused program on him.

The reason I say that is that Longo is a very qualified strength coach that spent alot of time coaching at Iowa. He coached olympic lifting there as well as headed the S&C for various other sports. Iowa has always based their programs on power and I'm sure that is the philosophy that is ingrained in Longo's methods. So either he had a change of heart and switched to finesse and speed, or someone else forced him to. If it's the latter, then let him get back to his roots.

I'll take the balance. I dont want a bunch of meaty power lifters who cant run either.

 

[koonja]

We can hire a great DC (well hire a good one, not great), but that's not going to fix everything. Well get excited and start pouring Kool aid again, but this team won't be good enough until Longo is gone. This team in 2017 will win because of what they do Jan through August, and with Longo in charge, it'll be the same old same old. A new DC will get players in better position to make plays, but they'll still be to make those plays and dominate the LOS.

Best case scenario: Gilmore was fired a week ago, and Longo was fired a week ago.

Minimum required scenario: Gilmore stays, Longo gets fired.

Unfortunately I don't see any of this happening.