Biden Presidency

[NorthDakota]

You mean like all the arbitrary laws being passed in Georgia to take away normal voting methods used by AA's? ok eyerooooooollllll

The point of my "silly" post is that currently voting is a hodgepodge across 50 states. As Lax says the politics will play games to ge t an edge every election year. The GOP is currently changing the rules now since the y lost GA (LMAO) to Biden. The rule changes primarily affect AA's traditional voting methods. Why? Becasue their vote difference came from primarily AA turnout and their ease with which they LEGALLY voted.

Standarzing this across 50 states is a no brainer. It harms NO one and helps everyone.

Politics is full of games with this stuff. Very true. I haven't looked deep into what Georgia is up to, I see they wanted to get rid of no-excuse absentee stuff. I 100% agree with that. I saw they wanted to cut some early voting hours, I don't like that part. And voter ID I 10000% agree with. If they are doing something that is illegal or unconstitutional, they'll get sued and it'll get sorted out.

You trust a group of politicians in Washington to determine a standard procedure that applies to both Rhode Island and Alaska? Wyoming and New Jersey? I'm sorry but that is just silly. I'm not sure how I am helped by national politicians determining how I vote in North Dakota. Genuinely have zero idea how that will help me.

 

[TorontoGold]

Our elections are covered in part by Art. 1, Section 4 of the Constitution. Then you got the other amendments regarding voting.



Congress can do some things there, it doesn't appear to be particularly limited. I'm not sure what the outer bounds of what can be done is, whether that is a large standardization effort or delegating broad authority to some agency.

Ah, got it. This all too complicated for me lmao. Us heathens up here only got a federal constitution in '82.

 

[NorthDakota]

Ah, got it. This all too complicated for me lmao. Us heathens up here only got a federal constitution in '82.

At least you have one....unlike some folks (looking at you England....)

 

[NDdomer2]

Politics is full of games with this stuff. Very true. I haven't looked deep into what Georgia is up to, I see they wanted to get rid of no-excuse absentee stuff. I 100% agree with that. I saw they wanted to cut some early voting hours, I don't like that part. And voter ID I 10000% agree with. If they are doing something that is illegal or unconstitutional, they'll get sued and it'll get sorted out.

You trust a group of politicians in Washington to determine a standard procedure that applies to both Rhode Island and Alaska? Wyoming and New Jersey? I'm sorry but that is just silly. I'm not sure how I am helped by national politicians determining how I vote in North Dakota. Genuinely have zero idea how that will help me.

I know this last year was unique but I can completely understand people not wanting to go stand in line mid-covid outbreak and deferring to absentee ballots.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Politics is full of games with this stuff. Very true. I haven't looked deep into what Georgia is up to, I see they wanted to get rid of no-excuse absentee stuff. I 100% agree with that. I saw they wanted to cut some early voting hours, I don't like that part. And voter ID I 10000% agree with. If they are doing something that is illegal or unconstitutional, they'll get sued and it'll get sorted out.

You trust a group of politicians in Washington to determine a standard procedure that applies to both Rhode Island and Alaska? Wyoming and New Jersey? I'm sorry but that is just silly. I'm not sure how I am helped by national politicians determining how I vote in North Dakota. Genuinely have zero idea how that will help me.

If you are not UP on what Georgia is doing since the Big Lie you should dig in deep becasue its terrible. If you homogenize the process and make it simple and available then no one is telling you what you have to do, it sets a minimum standard that can not be undone like what they are doing in Georgia and Arizona and other places where the GOP got their assess kicked in turnout this year. It will prevent arbitrary retribution like what the GOP is doin gin Georgia and elsewhere. This is super simple. Democrats want as many people voting as possible. GOP wants as few as possible. I want all legally valid Americans to vote.

 

[NorthDakota]

If you are not UP on what Georgia is doing since the Big Lie you should dig in deep becasue its terrible. If you homogenize the process and make it simple and available then no one is telling you what you have to do, it sets a minimum standard that can not be undone like what they are doing in Georgia and Arizona and other places where the GOP got their assess kicked in turnout this year. It will prevent arbitrary retribution like what the GOP is doin gin Georgia and elsewhere. This is super simple. Democrats want as many people voting as possible. GOP wants as few as possible. I want all legally valid Americans to vote.

We already have minimum standards. Its just enforced by the judiciary rather than Congress. If what they are doing is bad, you sue them. If its truly awful, discriminatory, etc., then it will be struck down.

I'm not advocating for states doing whatever the hell they want. With you there. Courts are pretty well equipped to handle these problems though. If Congress passes a law, particularly a stupid one because we know it will be set up to benefit a specific party, the judiciary and states have their hands tied.

 

[drayer54]

Are any of the HR 1 defenders going to defend the legalization of ballot harvesting nationwide?

 

[Irish#1]

You mean like all the arbitrary laws being passed in Georgia to take away normal voting methods used by AA's? ok eyerooooooollllll

The point of my "silly" post is that currently voting is a hodgepodge across 50 states. As Lax says the politics will play games to ge t an edge every election year. The GOP is currently changing the rules now since the y lost GA (LMAO) to Biden. The rule changes primarily affect AA's traditional voting methods. Why? Becasue their vote difference came from primarily AA turnout and their ease with which they LEGALLY voted.

Standarzing this across 50 states is a no brainer. Setting rules as to what methods are valid. What time frames they are available and accepted, sig matching, ID checks.. whatever... This is easily doable and makes 100% total sense. Then its simply a matter of facilitating the turnout. It harms NO one and helps everyone.

Actually it's not a "no brainer", but hey we're all for bigger government where more of my pay check can go to supporting it.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

We already have minimum standards. Its just enforced by the judiciary rather than Congress. If what they are doing is bad, you sue them. If its truly awful, discriminatory, etc., then it will be struck down.

I'm not advocating for states doing whatever the hell they want. With you there. Courts are pretty well equipped to handle these problems though. If Congress passes a law, particularly a stupid one because we know it will be set up to benefit a specific party, the judiciary and states have their hands tied.

No we dont have minimum standards. Every state is different. Its not standard if it can be arbitrarily changed right before elections occur. I look at it like road signage. I can go to any state in the union and I will see the same signs, mean the same thing, and are based off the same standard. Voting should be equally as available and simple. South Carolina cant just arbitrarily change the stop sign and replace it with something designed to be confusing. If I were to move to another state the voting experience should be the same. Easy and accessible.

Its this easy.

1. Voter ID required. ID must be based off you address associated with your IRS taxes. Government can aid in getting an ID to people who need it. It can be forwarded with your W-2 or Welfare applications or some other federal level document.
2. Each election, absentee ballots are acceptable for any reason ( not some random made up list like it is in my state). Absentee ballots can be cast from some specific time before and after election.
3. Each election, mail in ballots are acceptable and subject to sig and ID match. Mail in ballot are allowed to be received some specific time before and after election.
4. Each election, in person voting will be held at same locations without closing or changing venues at the last moment. Voters must be notified a change of venue. In person voting also subject to ID and sig match.
5. Every state will standardize counting. All votes must be received by a certain day and counting done and certified by another day.

That's it. Every state follows the same protocol in setting up and conducting mail in, absentee and in person voting. The fact North Carolina and Nevada doesn't finish counting for nearly two weeks after the election is egregious when Virginia and other more populous states can get it done in days is ridiculous.

 

[Irish#1]

Also- anyone noticing our recent border failure?
Biden’s Unnecessary Border Crisis

His rhetoric during the campaign suggesting an open-handed approach to migrants coming to the U.S., and his early moves to undo Donald Trump’s border policies are creating a migrant surge that risks running out of control.
Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas says the situation isn’t a crisis, but “a challenge”—an “acute” and “stressful” challenge with some “urgency,” but merely a challenge all the same.

Consider the contours of this challenge. Twice as many people, about 80,000, tried to cross the border illegally in January of this year as compared with January a year ago.

Even though it isn’t peak traveling season yet (that traditionally comes in May and June), U.S. Border Patrol has already begun releasing migrants into U.S. towns on the border, and the number of minors arriving per day is four times higher than in October.

Axios reported on a briefing prepared for Biden that warned that the number of migrants kids is on pace to set a record, and there aren’t nearly enough beds to accommodate them. Per Axios, the briefing projects that an astonishing 117,000 unaccompanied children will show up at the border this year, and it says we’ll need another 20,000 beds.

Health and Human Services, which takes custody of minors, has begun expediting their release to adults in the U.S., and paying their transportation costs.

Meanwhile, the Biden team is reopening detention facilities at the border that drew the ire of Democrats during Trump’s presidency.

If Joe Biden decides to do a press conference this year, we can ask him about it. But it looks like Joe isn't the one making the calls....

Bueller? Bueller?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Actually it's not a "no brainer", but hey we're all for bigger government where more of my pay check can go to supporting it.

It literally wont cost any money. Its logistics and standardized protocols. How does standardizing the days allowed to receive absentee votes cost anyone money? Do you object having the same hihgway signs mean the same thing in different states when you are driving?

Im sure you are in favor of ID and sig matching? Yes? Im in favor of setting a disctinct period that allows absentee and mail in votes to be processed and counted (not arbitrarily politically motivated windows as there are now. Im also in favor of allowing all people who vote in person adequate time and access to vote in person. This is also arbitrary and can be changed without notice to voters.

 

[IrishLax]

Actually it's not a "no brainer", but hey we're all for bigger government where more of my pay check can go to supporting it.

I'm not saying every state should be exactly the same, but we all should take a step back and realize that national voting standards / laws have been a thing for a very long time. And that most of them were put in place for very good reasons, or to combat some evil and/or undemocratic stuff being done to disenfranchise voters.

There is a lot in HR1 that I think is fair to criticize, or is transparently slanted towards helping Democrats. At the same time, we've got Republicans in Georgia not just trying to make lines as long as possible in predominantly black areas... but also making it illegal to give people a bottle of water while they're standing in that long line. What year is this? 1965?

The correct bill for this moment probably has a third of the content of HR 1... things like gerrymandering limits, mandating that all ballots have a physical paper trail that can be audited, etc. But instead you get that mixed with a bunch of partisan and unnecessary provisions because that's how politics works in this day and age.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm not saying every state should be exactly the same, but we all should take a step back and realize that national voting standards / laws have been a thing for a very long time. And that most of them were put in place for very good reasons, or to combat some evil and/or undemocratic stuff being done to disenfranchise voters.

There is a lot in HR1 that I think is fair to criticize, or is transparently slanted towards helping Democrats. At the same time, we've got Republicans in Georgia not just trying to make lines as long as possible in predominantly black areas... but also making it illegal to give people a bottle of water while they're standing in that long line. What year is this? 1965?

The correct bill for this moment probably has a third of the content of HR 1... things like gerrymandering limits, mandating that all ballots have a physical paper trail that can be audited, etc. But instead you get that mixed with a bunch of partisan and unnecessary provisions because that's how politics works in this day and age.

You get it. You've got to get it whittled down, but until it is, this shouldn't be passed regardless of the crap both parties are doing.

 

[Irish#1]

It literally wont cost any money. Its logistics and standardized protocols. How does standardizing the days allowed to receive absentee votes cost anyone money? Do you object having the same hihgway signs mean the same thing in different states when you are driving?

Im sure you are in favor of ID and sig matching? Yes? Im in favor of setting a disctinct period that allows absentee and mail in votes to be processed and counted (not arbitrarily politically motivated windows as there are now. Im also in favor of allowing all people who vote in person adequate time and access to vote in person. This is also arbitrary and can be changed without notice to voters.

Logistics take money. Might make road trips a lot more fun!

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I'm not saying every state should be exactly the same, but we all should take a step back and realize that national voting standards / laws have been a thing for a very long time. And that most of them were put in place for very good reasons, or to combat some evil and/or undemocratic stuff being done to disenfranchise voters.

There is a lot in HR1 that I think is fair to criticize, or is transparently slanted towards helping Democrats. At the same time, we've got Republicans in Georgia not just trying to make lines as long as possible in predominantly black areas... but also making it illegal to give people a bottle of water while they're standing in that long line. What year is this? 1965?

The correct bill for this moment probably has a third of the content of HR 1... things like gerrymandering limits, mandating that all ballots have a physical paper trail that can be audited, etc. But instead you get that mixed with a bunch of partisan and unnecessary provisions because that's how politics works in this day and age.

Im not saying all states should be the exact same but.... saying that there should be well thought out minimums that cannot be changed by states arbitraily. You are rights on the things Georgia is doing. Arizona as well. NC has some completely wild rules....IMO any person ( legally able to vote) should be able to go to any state and vote and have a similar experience and prevent any voter from not being able to adequately cast their vote.

 

[NorthDakota]

No we dont have minimum standards. Every state is different. Its not standard if it can be arbitrarily changed right before elections occur. I look at it like road signage. I can go to any state in the union and I will see the same signs, mean the same thing, and are based off the same standard. Voting should be equally as available and simple. South Carolina cant just arbitrarily change the stop sign and replace it with something designed to be confusing. If I were to move to another state the voting experience should be the same. Easy and accessible.

Its this easy.

1. Voter ID required. ID must be based off you address associated with your IRS taxes. Government can aid in getting an ID to people who need it. It can be forwarded with your W-2 or Welfare applications or some other federal level document.
2. Each election, absentee ballots are acceptable for any reason ( not some random made up list like it is in my state). Absentee ballots can be cast from some specific time before and after election.
3. Each election, mail in ballots are acceptable and subject to sig and ID match. Mail in ballot are allowed to be received some specific time before and after election.
4. Each election, in person voting will be held at same locations without closing or changing venues at the last moment. Voters must be notified a change of venue. In person voting also subject to ID and sig match.
5. Every state will standardize counting. All votes must be received by a certain day and counting done and certified by another day.

That's it. Every state follows the same protocol in setting up and conducting mail in, absentee and in person voting. The fact North Carolina and Nevada doesn't finish counting for nearly two weeks after the election is egregious when Virginia and other more populous states can get it done in days is ridiculous.

We do have minimum standards. They might not be to your liking, but they exist. Voting standards need to comply with the constitution and whatever Congress has put in place.

Why do you think the judiciary has struck down specific voting laws (poll taxes, some voter ID laws for example)? States have broad authority to manage things on their own, but its not some carte blanche wild west deal.

I'm with you on a lot of the problems. It shouldn't take as long as it does to vote, shouldn't take them as long as it does in some places to count the votes, etc. I just don't see the Feds coming up with a satisfactory set of standards.

Hopefully the more egregious violators of all of these problems get shamed into doing better (being less shady, being more efficient, etc.) like Florida did after 2000.

 

[drayer54]

So nobody defending the idea that 16-year-olds shout vote (insane) or legalizing ballot harvesting?

 

[NorthDakota]

So nobody defending the idea that 16-year-olds shout vote (insane) or legalizing ballot harvesting?

My dream is to end up a house rep like the bald bish who proposed that. She has guaranteed job security forever. Gets paid very well to propose 16 year olds voting.

She will never accomplish anything. But she will never have to work a day in her life either.

 

[Blazers46]

I am curious when someone within the Biden camp will come out and let us know what is going on with Biden. He is obviously NOT running the ship. Even if his mental capacity was not in question, this is not normal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-BOjz4f5zU

 

[NorthDakota]

I am curious when someone within the Biden camp will come out and let us know what is going on with Biden. He is obviously NOT running the ship. Even if his mental capacity was not in question, this is not normal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-BOjz4f5zU

Anyone who has seen the videos of him a few years ago vs. now knows the dude is done.

I see the libs on twitter are calling for primary challengers for all these red/purple state D senators. Eight of them. Like...
.you guys trying to give the GOP 60 senate seats by 2024?

Its always funny how silly people get when senators don't vote exactly the way they want. Its a both sides thing obviously but its super common right now. Like dude, have you considered that there is a reason Susan Collins, Joe Manchin, etc. win?

We got libs going apeshit over these guys not voting to raise the minimum wage... we got the Trump crowd vowing to primary everyone who isn't an acolyte...shits going B-A-N-A-N-A-S. I wonder if 2022 and 2024 can serve as a weird sort of reset.

Could see a bunch of establishment/moderates lose primaries to more extreme candidates only to lose in the general on both sides of the aisle.

 

[drayer54]

Personally, I don't mind them doing a weekend at Bernie's with Biden. President Klain > President Harris. The more time they spend covering up his rapid mental decay, the less time they spend ruining our country.

 

[ulukinatme]

I just don't see him making it four years. I think Kamala takes over, I thought the same even before the election. It's odd to be this invisible during a pandemic and a struggling economy as a result of said pandemic. Something isn't right there, and the stream getting cut like that is telling.

 

[Irish#1]

I just don't see him making it four years. I think Kamala takes over, I thought the same even before the election. It's odd to be this invisible during a pandemic and a struggling economy as a result of said pandemic. Something isn't right there, and the stream getting cut like that is telling.

He's coming out of hiding Thursday, but it looks like it will be a very controlled meeting.

 

[irish4ever]

He's coming out of hiding Thursday, but it looks like it will be a very controlled meeting.

Is it Groundhogs Day again?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

He's coming out of hiding Thursday, but it looks like it will be a very controlled meeting.

Nice shot of B12 and a couple softballs from CNN about the new color scheme of Air Force One?

 

[Nothingman]

Nice shot of B12 and a couple softballs from CNN about the new color scheme of Air Force One?

Spot on. If it weren't so sad, I would laugh.

 

[Rogue219]

Andrea May Sahouri acquitted.

Merrick Garland confirmed.

Recovery Act done.

Mass vaccine distribution site is opening less than two miles from me in my village.

Massive day. Best in a really really long time in my bubble because I don't really care about what gender a potatohead toy is.

 

[IrishLax]

Andrea May Sahouri acquitted.

Merrick Garland confirmed.

Recovery Act done.

Mass vaccine distribution site is opening less than two miles from me in my village.

Massive day. Best in a really really long time in my bubble because I don't really care about what gender a potatohead toy is.

Yeah it’s weird what people are choosing to care about while Biden has a 70%+ approval rating in his handling of COVID, vaccination rates are through the roof, and a stimulus package just passed that has 75% public approval and will benefit most Americans either directly or indirectly. Shrug.

 

[Blazers46]

Yeah it’s weird what people are choosing to care about while Biden has a 70%+ approval rating in his handling of COVID, vaccination rates are through the roof, and a stimulus package just passed that has 75% public approval and will benefit most Americans either directly or indirectly. Shrug.

Just sheer curiousity on what has Biden really done with Covid besides not be Trump? I haven't followed Covid since my state went from "going with science" then going by with their "gut" to who really knows anymore what they are doing... so I stopped caring.

 

[IrishLax]

Just sheer curiousity on what has Biden really done with Covid besides not be Trump? I haven't followed Covid since my state went from "going with science" then going by with their "gut" to who really knows anymore what they are doing... so I stopped caring.

I think that the main driver in different perceptions comes down to what they're saying and how they're saying it. Compare these two public statements today:
Trump -- https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1369811259797999626?s=20
Biden -- https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1369738285585735687?s=20

The first is not only a truly insane lie that insults the intelligence of the reader, but it is self-aggrandizing and only exists to demand some form of thanks and adulation. The second is all about saying "this is what I'm doing for you." Regardless of what merit you want to give either statement, one comes off completely different than the other. Most people who see something like Trump's statement are going to have a negative reaction even if it were true. Most people who see Biden's statement are going to have a positive reaction. One statement is simply better optics than the other.

The other part is that I think people are naturally going to react positively to how vaccination rates continue to both go up + exceed targets + be better than the rest of the first world. And they implicitly give Biden some credit for that. In actuality, the chief differences between Trump and Biden mostly boil down to their distribution plans. Trump's vaccine strategy was allocating vaccines to states and saying "good luck." Biden's administration has been far more hands on in assisting with distribution of vaccines and supplies, as well as offering direct assistance to any state or locality that asks. They are directly assisting with more vaccination sites being set up each week across the country. They also stopped holding vaccines for as long and started distributing them to states faster in a more organized manner. All of these are positive developments, and conversely there haven't really been any blunders or setbacks to criticize Biden on.