Biden Presidency

[Irish#1]

I have no idea what Biden did this weeken or what he Tweeted.

This is the existence I have so longed for again for the last four years.

Now, to the important matters of the day: Is Joe Manchin happy?

Yeah I too had a gun to my head forcing me to read his tweets and watch his PC's.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Watching this "migrant child overflow facility" stuff come through the news is absolutely amazing.

Oh, so we're done with internment camps and cages?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Oh, so we're done with internment camps and cages?

There appears to be a portion of his base that will justify Biden's continued use of facilities/camps/cages. However, it appears that there is a decent size segment of his base that are pissed that Biden hasn't done anything about the issue. Biden has a pretty big juggling job going on trying to appease all segments of his base and be Chief Uniter at the same time.

 

[MrIrishCanadian1]

I've personally been trying to understand the whole Uyghur thing and how to make sense of it all. Since I have worked in China, I am probably much more sympathetic to them than most in this forum. But I have trouble seeing what they're doing as a systematic moral wrong. As I've read, the Xinjiang province has had a huge terrorism problem due to a radical stream of Islam that has taught Muslims in parts of Xinjiang that they are guaranteed heaven if they kill non-believers. That's why some such followers just started hacking people to death on the streets or taking their car and running them over. If this is correct, then from my point of view the steps China has taken are justifiable. They've taken a proactive approach to this by bringing Uyghurs into training schools (or the "concentration camps" as western media likes to call them) that de-radicalize them, and give them professional training in Mandarin and job skills to put their life on the right direction. It seems to be well documented that there is a level of freedom at such training schools since the students there are free to return home regularly, such as on a weekly basis if not more often (I say that this is well documented since the documentaries on the anti-Chinese side that have tried to see what's happening at the schools without the peering eye of the Chinese government have also filmed the students leaving the schools).

I suppose one worry is that, even if some go to these schools voluntarily, others are put there forcibly. In an ideal world, I wouldn't have anyone forced into a school or a camp. But a world with the sorts of terrorism problems that are present isn't an ideal world. It's a tricky problem with perhaps no great solution. Do you take a more passive approach and just let people be trained in radical teachings and then deal with the consequences later? Or do you take a more proactive approach and rework people's mindsets before they commit acts of terrorism? China is taking the latter approach, and I don't see that that approach is any morally worse than the alternatives. It does involve cutting off freedoms, such as the freedom to not be coerced into training of sorts. But perhaps that’s a freedom worth giving up if it means that residents of Xinjiang have their freedom to life (not being killed by knife and car attacks) preserved.

This is sort of where I’m at right now. I don’t think there’s something fundamentally wrong with the system China is employing. Perhaps there are abuses occurring, I have heard cases of rape, and if such things happen they certainly should be condemned and stopped (and I would assume China would agree on this point). But I think the overall plan that China has is an acceptable one given the tough situation they are in.

I still want to do more research on this, and that’s part of why I’m posting here to see where my blinders might be. But I also thought it might be healthy for the board if I presented my minority-ish view. (And I’m sorry if this has been discussed to death elsewhere…)

 

[NorthDakota]

Oh, so we're done with internment camps and cages?

Oh its def not that! It has legal services! And basketball courts!

Honestly, I don't know how much things have changed at these facilities or hasn't. But how they are portrayed based on who is in office is absolutely absurd.

When it was Obama's administration in charge, we heard nothing about it really. When it was Trump it was a crime against humanity. And when it is Biden, the entire concept is reframed to make it sound great.

I'm sorry but it seems unlikely that in a month that the Feds have fundamentally changed the conditions to make them awesome.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I just read the below, a little bit of history of these camps. One of my best friends (not the author of the below) lives just a few miles from the border down in the Rio Grande Valley. While she and nearly everyone there loathes Trump, they're pretty quick to point out that he wasn't the first President to treat migrants like garbage.

https://www.rehumanizeintl.org/post/immigration-under-biden

Her name was Mariee Juárez.


Mariee and her mother Yazmin were forced to flee Guatemala in 2018. At the time, Mariee was just a little baby. In nearly every picture you can find, she looks at the camera with a cheeky, toothless grin. Yazmin hoped that the United States would be a place where her little girl would grow up with “a better, safer life.” And then, there was Dilley.


Dilley, or the “South Texas Family Residential Center” is the largest internment camp for immigrants in the United States. Every year, it’s used as a base for the incarceration of hundreds of women and their children.


It was at Dilley that Mariee and Yazmin ended up in after a journey of roughly 1,500 miles. Once there, they were packed into a single room of 12 other people. Mariee was sick within a week. Yazmin took her to the camp’s clinic, which gave Mariee some Tylenol and honey for her cough and told Yazmin to follow up in six months. By the next day, Mariee had a fever of 104 degrees, along with vomiting and diarrhea. Within 10 days, she had lost almost 8% of her body weight. Eventually, ICE deigned to process Yazmin and Mariee out of detention so that they could go to Yazmin’s mother in New Jersey. Yazmin immediately sought medical care for Mariee, but her little body had been fighting a viral lung infection almost entirely unassisted for weeks. Mariee died on May 10, 2018 – the day that Guatemalans celebrate Mother’s Day. She wasn’t even two years old.


Yazmin and Mariee’s story is one of hundreds from the Trump administration. But what most don’t know is that Trump alone isn’t to blame. You see, Yazmin and Mariee may have been detained in the Trump administration, but Dilley, the internment camp where they were held, was built by the Obama administration, when Joe Biden was Vice President.


At a primary debate in June, when it was pointed out that Obama had deported over three million immigrants, Biden praised Obama’s immigration policies.

“President Obama, I think, did a heck of a job. To compare him to what this guy’s doing is absolutely – I find [it] close to immoral.”​

This, for me, is what defines Joe Biden when it comes to immigration. For him, the best thing he can think to do for immigrants is simply to pretend as if Trump had never happened. It seems as if, in his mind, whatever Obama did was good enough for him. His pick to lead the Department of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, was the deputy Secretary during the Obama years.


His immigration plan itself remains woefully short of anything which would meaningfully improve the lives of immigrants. A broken system which gives the government every possible advantage and immigration judges nearly unrestrained power over the lives of those subject to their authority? Let’s add more judges and courts to make it bigger! An internment camp system responsible for mass illness, death, and pain? Ending it is too much, but we can try some alternative case management systems for those we deem worthy of not dying a slow death on the cement floors of their cells. The atrocities committed by ICE and CBP agents are known to anybody who has watched any immigration story over the last four years, but Biden’s plan gives them only a single line, where he promises to ensure that they “abide by professional standards” by giving them yet more funding.


To make matters worse, Biden and his incoming administration have barely been enthusiastic about even these uninspiring and derivative policies. In an interview in December, Biden said that he wanted to undo Trump policies which have obliterated asylum and legal protections for immigrants, but that it would “take time…. probably the next six months.” His reasoning for doing so is that he wants to make sure that America doesn’t end up with “2 million people on our border.” This is Biden’s priority to avoid. The worst thing he can think of is more immigrants at the border.


The night he was elected, President-Elect Biden promised that his administration would be “a time to heal.” But as we head into Inauguration Week, all I can ask myself is how many immigrants will die before he decides that his administration should be a time to grow.
Her name was Mariee Juárez.


Mariee and her mother Yazmin were forced to flee Guatemala in 2018. At the time, Mariee was just a little baby. In nearly every picture you can find, she looks at the camera with a cheeky, toothless grin. Yazmin hoped that the United States would be a place where her little girl would grow up with “a better, safer life.” And then, there was Dilley.


Dilley, or the “South Texas Family Residential Center” is the largest internment camp for immigrants in the United States. Every year, it’s used as a base for the incarceration of hundreds of women and their children.


It was at Dilley that Mariee and Yazmin ended up in after a journey of roughly 1,500 miles. Once there, they were packed into a single room of 12 other people. Mariee was sick within a week. Yazmin took her to the camp’s clinic, which gave Mariee some Tylenol and honey for her cough and told Yazmin to follow up in six months. By the next day, Mariee had a fever of 104 degrees, along with vomiting and diarrhea. Within 10 days, she had lost almost 8% of her body weight. Eventually, ICE deigned to process Yazmin and Mariee out of detention so that they could go to Yazmin’s mother in New Jersey. Yazmin immediately sought medical care for Mariee, but her little body had been fighting a viral lung infection almost entirely unassisted for weeks. Mariee died on May 10, 2018 – the day that Guatemalans celebrate Mother’s Day. She wasn’t even two years old.


Yazmin and Mariee’s story is one of hundreds from the Trump administration. But what most don’t know is that Trump alone isn’t to blame. You see, Yazmin and Mariee may have been detained in the Trump administration, but Dilley, the internment camp where they were held, was built by the Obama administration, when Joe Biden was Vice President.


At a primary debate in June, when it was pointed out that Obama had deported over three million immigrants, Biden praised Obama’s immigration policies.

“President Obama, I think, did a heck of a job. To compare him to what this guy’s doing is absolutely – I find [it] close to immoral.”​

This, for me, is what defines Joe Biden when it comes to immigration. For him, the best thing he can think to do for immigrants is simply to pretend as if Trump had never happened. It seems as if, in his mind, whatever Obama did was good enough for him. His pick to lead the Department of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, was the deputy Secretary during the Obama years.


His immigration plan itself remains woefully short of anything which would meaningfully improve the lives of immigrants. A broken system which gives the government every possible advantage and immigration judges nearly unrestrained power over the lives of those subject to their authority? Let’s add more judges and courts to make it bigger! An internment camp system responsible for mass illness, death, and pain? Ending it is too much, but we can try some alternative case management systems for those we deem worthy of not dying a slow death on the cement floors of their cells. The atrocities committed by ICE and CBP agents are known to anybody who has watched any immigration story over the last four years, but Biden’s plan gives them only a single line, where he promises to ensure that they “abide by professional standards” by giving them yet more funding.


To make matters worse, Biden and his incoming administration have barely been enthusiastic about even these uninspiring and derivative policies. In an interview in December, Biden said that he wanted to undo Trump policies which have obliterated asylum and legal protections for immigrants, but that it would “take time…. probably the next six months.” His reasoning for doing so is that he wants to make sure that America doesn’t end up with “2 million people on our border.” This is Biden’s priority to avoid. The worst thing he can think of is more immigrants at the border.


The night he was elected, President-Elect Biden promised that his administration would be “a time to heal.” But as we head into Inauguration Week, all I can ask myself is how many immigrants will die before he decides that his administration should be a time to grow.

 

[RDU Irish]

I've personally been trying to understand the whole Uyghur thing and how to make sense of it all. Since I have worked in China, I am probably much more sympathetic to them than most in this forum. But I have trouble seeing what they're doing as a systematic moral wrong. As I've read, the Xinjiang province has had a huge terrorism problem due to a radical stream of Islam that has taught Muslims in parts of Xinjiang that they are guaranteed heaven if they kill non-believers. That's why some such followers just started hacking people to death on the streets or taking their car and running them over. If this is correct, then from my point of view the steps China has taken are justifiable. They've taken a proactive approach to this by bringing Uyghurs into training schools (or the "concentration camps" as western media likes to call them) that de-radicalize them, and give them professional training in Mandarin and job skills to put their life on the right direction. It seems to be well documented that there is a level of freedom at such training schools since the students there are free to return home regularly, such as on a weekly basis if not more often (I say that this is well documented since the documentaries on the anti-Chinese side that have tried to see what's happening at the schools without the peering eye of the Chinese government have also filmed the students leaving the schools).

I suppose one worry is that, even if some go to these schools voluntarily, others are put there forcibly. In an ideal world, I wouldn't have anyone forced into a school or a camp. But a world with the sorts of terrorism problems that are present isn't an ideal world. It's a tricky problem with perhaps no great solution. Do you take a more passive approach and just let people be trained in radical teachings and then deal with the consequences later? Or do you take a more proactive approach and rework people's mindsets before they commit acts of terrorism? China is taking the latter approach, and I don't see that that approach is any morally worse than the alternatives. It does involve cutting off freedoms, such as the freedom to not be coerced into training of sorts. But perhaps that’s a freedom worth giving up if it means that residents of Xinjiang have their freedom to life (not being killed by knife and car attacks) preserved.

This is sort of where I’m at right now. I don’t think there’s something fundamentally wrong with the system China is employing. Perhaps there are abuses occurring, I have heard cases of rape, and if such things happen they certainly should be condemned and stopped (and I would assume China would agree on this point). But I think the overall plan that China has is an acceptable one given the tough situation they are in.

I still want to do more research on this, and that’s part of why I’m posting here to see where my blinders might be. But I also thought it might be healthy for the board if I presented my minority-ish view. (And I’m sorry if this has been discussed to death elsewhere…)

Appreciate your insights - I had not heard this take on the situation. Seems like a logical opposite side of the coin. As someone in favor of more robust "military school" for kids in crappy situations or making bad decisions (or just voluntarily available to poor/middle class to opt in), I am sympathetic to what you describe.

 

[Blazers46]

I have no idea what Biden did this weeken or what he Tweeted.

This is the existence I have so longed for again for the last four years.

Now, to the important matters of the day: Is Joe Manchin happy?

I did read an odd article spinning how Biden doesnt do anything is a good thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b4468a-731d-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

 

[drayer54]

Not Russian Disinformation---> Hunter Biden was living with his brother Beau's widow Hallie while sending raunchy texts and FaceTiming in the shower with her married SISTER as they declared their love and she called him her 'prince'

A text message exchange recovered from the laptop hard drive revealed a sexual conversation between Hunter and Secundy from September 2016 - at the time he would have been dating Hallie.

Hunter offered to teach Secundy 'how to masturbate' and referenced buying her 'panties'.

Secundy, now 49, also referred to Hunter as her 'prince' and told him she loved him in the texts.

Files on the laptop suggest the relationship continued well into 2018, with one document showing they had rented a home together starting in July that year.

Hunter's love life has already been a source of several scandals in the years since his split from his first wife Kathleen, the mother of his three daughters.

After raising some eyebrows for dating his sister-in-law, the former lobbyist was then revealed to have fathered a child with a DC stripper whose paternity he initially denied, and later married his current wife, Melissa, just six days after meeting her in 2019. They too now have a one-year-old child, named after Hunter's late brother.

Hunter found himself in hot water once again in 2020 when his laptop, that he reportedly had left at a Delaware computer store for repairs, fell into the hands of several media organizations and the FBI.

Photos recovered from the device showed him posing with a crack pipe in his mouth and partying with prostitutes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...iving-brothers-widow-relationship-sister.html

 

[Irish#1]

There appears to be a portion of his base that will justify Biden's continued use of facilities/camps/cages. However, it appears that there is a decent size segment of his base that are pissed that Biden hasn't done anything about the issue. Biden has a pretty big juggling job going on trying to appease all segments of his base and be Chief Uniter at the same time.

At his age even two balls are hard to juggle.

 

[Irish#1]

I've personally been trying to understand the whole Uyghur thing and how to make sense of it all. Since I have worked in China, I am probably much more sympathetic to them than most in this forum. But I have trouble seeing what they're doing as a systematic moral wrong. As I've read, the Xinjiang province has had a huge terrorism problem due to a radical stream of Islam that has taught Muslims in parts of Xinjiang that they are guaranteed heaven if they kill non-believers. That's why some such followers just started hacking people to death on the streets or taking their car and running them over. If this is correct, then from my point of view the steps China has taken are justifiable. They've taken a proactive approach to this by bringing Uyghurs into training schools (or the "concentration camps" as western media likes to call them) that de-radicalize them, and give them professional training in Mandarin and job skills to put their life on the right direction. It seems to be well documented that there is a level of freedom at such training schools since the students there are free to return home regularly, such as on a weekly basis if not more often (I say that this is well documented since the documentaries on the anti-Chinese side that have tried to see what's happening at the schools without the peering eye of the Chinese government have also filmed the students leaving the schools).

I suppose one worry is that, even if some go to these schools voluntarily, others are put there forcibly. In an ideal world, I wouldn't have anyone forced into a school or a camp. But a world with the sorts of terrorism problems that are present isn't an ideal world. It's a tricky problem with perhaps no great solution. Do you take a more passive approach and just let people be trained in radical teachings and then deal with the consequences later? Or do you take a more proactive approach and rework people's mindsets before they commit acts of terrorism? China is taking the latter approach, and I don't see that that approach is any morally worse than the alternatives. It does involve cutting off freedoms, such as the freedom to not be coerced into training of sorts. But perhaps that’s a freedom worth giving up if it means that residents of Xinjiang have their freedom to life (not being killed by knife and car attacks) preserved.

This is sort of where I’m at right now. I don’t think there’s something fundamentally wrong with the system China is employing. Perhaps there are abuses occurring, I have heard cases of rape, and if such things happen they certainly should be condemned and stopped (and I would assume China would agree on this point). But I think the overall plan that China has is an acceptable one given the tough situation they are in.

I still want to do more research on this, and that’s part of why I’m posting here to see where my blinders might be. But I also thought it might be healthy for the board if I presented my minority-ish view. (And I’m sorry if this has been discussed to death elsewhere…)

Interesting point about the Islamic terrorists groups. We have our hands full with that crap. I wonder if the Chinese government sees this as simply a terrorists threat or more of a threat to their communistic government? I have not read that much, but some of what I read several months back indicate, that most in those camps were put there against their will and/or their families were threatened if they didn't go. I also remember reading that while they may be allowed to go home on weekends, it's only after they have spent so much time in the camp and have demonstrated some actions that they are becoming assimilated. I have not read much more about this, but your posts certainly creates some questions. Like most stories the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. I will say I still question their government since they saw the Hong Kong protests as a threat to their downfall and they have a history of bad actions like Tiananmen Square.

 

[Irish#1]

Not Russian Disinformation---> Hunter Biden was living with his brother Beau's widow Hallie while sending raunchy texts and FaceTiming in the shower with her married SISTER as they declared their love and she called him her 'prince'




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...iving-brothers-widow-relationship-sister.html

Every guy needs to party every now and then.

 

[drayer54]

Not Russian Disinformation---> Hunter Biden was living with his brother Beau's widow Hallie while sending raunchy texts and FaceTiming in the shower with her married SISTER as they declared their love and she called him her 'prince'




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ip-sister.html[/

will an admin delete this post please.

You have a stellar future ahead of you in big tech.

 

[Wild Bill]

I've personally been trying to understand the whole Uyghur thing and how to make sense of it all. Since I have worked in China, I am probably much more sympathetic to them than most in this forum. But I have trouble seeing what they're doing as a systematic moral wrong. As I've read, the Xinjiang province has had a huge terrorism problem due to a radical stream of Islam that has taught Muslims in parts of Xinjiang that they are guaranteed heaven if they kill non-believers. That's why some such followers just started hacking people to death on the streets or taking their car and running them over. If this is correct, then from my point of view the steps China has taken are justifiable. They've taken a proactive approach to this by bringing Uyghurs into training schools (or the "concentration camps" as western media likes to call them) that de-radicalize them, and give them professional training in Mandarin and job skills to put their life on the right direction. It seems to be well documented that there is a level of freedom at such training schools since the students there are free to return home regularly, such as on a weekly basis if not more often (I say that this is well documented since the documentaries on the anti-Chinese side that have tried to see what's happening at the schools without the peering eye of the Chinese government have also filmed the students leaving the schools).

I suppose one worry is that, even if some go to these schools voluntarily, others are put there forcibly. In an ideal world, I wouldn't have anyone forced into a school or a camp. But a world with the sorts of terrorism problems that are present isn't an ideal world. It's a tricky problem with perhaps no great solution. Do you take a more passive approach and just let people be trained in radical teachings and then deal with the consequences later? Or do you take a more proactive approach and rework people's mindsets before they commit acts of terrorism? China is taking the latter approach, and I don't see that that approach is any morally worse than the alternatives. It does involve cutting off freedoms, such as the freedom to not be coerced into training of sorts. But perhaps that’s a freedom worth giving up if it means that residents of Xinjiang have their freedom to life (not being killed by knife and car attacks) preserved.

This is sort of where I’m at right now. I don’t think there’s something fundamentally wrong with the system China is employing. Perhaps there are abuses occurring, I have heard cases of rape, and if such things happen they certainly should be condemned and stopped (and I would assume China would agree on this point). But I think the overall plan that China has is an acceptable one given the tough situation they are in.

I still want to do more research on this, and that’s part of why I’m posting here to see where my blinders might be. But I also thought it might be healthy for the board if I presented my minority-ish view. (And I’m sorry if this has been discussed to death elsewhere…)

No it's all true. Just like Saddam's WMDs, Milosevic’s concentration camps, Assad gassing kids, etc. We have to go to war with China. Believe the neocons.

 

[NorthDakota]

Not Russian Disinformation---> Hunter Biden was living with his brother Beau's widow Hallie while sending raunchy texts and FaceTiming in the shower with her married SISTER as they declared their love and she called him her 'prince'




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ip-sister.html[/

will an admin delete this post please.

Whats the problem with the post??

 

[Irish#1]

Evidently she deleted over 1,000 "mean" tweets. lol

'Mean tweets' threaten Biden budget pick Tanden as U.S. moderates balk

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2AM16Z

A number of tweets appeared to have been deleted from Tanden's account Monday night, but according to The Wall Street Journal, she also once tweeted, "I’m glad McConnell is fiddling, while the markets burn."

A Google search for posts on McConnell under her account revealed at least four tweets that were no longer available.

A look at the Internet Archive Wayback Machine showed that the number of tweets under Tanden's account declined from 88,600 on Nov. 16 to 87,600 as of Monday morning. By 8 p.m. EST Monday, the number of tweets on her account dropped to 87,500.

 

[drayer54]

Evidently she deleted over 1,000 "mean" tweets. lol

'Mean tweets' threaten Biden budget pick Tanden as U.S. moderates balk

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2AM16Z

This is 100% bullshit and narrative. Mean tweets are only a part of the problem.

The reality is that Neera Tanden is a disgusting person and is not qualified or with anything close to the right temperament to be in the building, nonetheless in charge. She has a history of terrible management at CAP, violent outbursts, outing sexual harassment victims at her own org, and being a sick person. She has openly floated wildly flawed Russiagate theories, the idea that Russia tweaked vote totals (insurrection?) and that Anthony Kennedy was bought off by the Russians. Her tweets are indicative that she is insane and should never be in that office. Her nomination shows that Biden and Klain don't give a hoot about unity or actual qualifications.

 

[NorthDakota]

Evidently she deleted over 1,000 "mean" tweets. lol

'Mean tweets' threaten Biden budget pick Tanden as U.S. moderates balk

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2AM16Z

Shes a conspiracy theorist too. The more you read about her the more you laugh.

 

[IrishLax]

I've personally been trying to understand the whole Uyghur thing and how to make sense of it all. Since I have worked in China, I am probably much more sympathetic to them than most in this forum. But I have trouble seeing what they're doing as a systematic moral wrong. As I've read, the Xinjiang province has had a huge terrorism problem due to a radical stream of Islam that has taught Muslims in parts of Xinjiang that they are guaranteed heaven if they kill non-believers. That's why some such followers just started hacking people to death on the streets or taking their car and running them over. If this is correct, then from my point of view the steps China has taken are justifiable. They've taken a proactive approach to this by bringing Uyghurs into training schools (or the "concentration camps" as western media likes to call them) that de-radicalize them, and give them professional training in Mandarin and job skills to put their life on the right direction. It seems to be well documented that there is a level of freedom at such training schools since the students there are free to return home regularly, such as on a weekly basis if not more often (I say that this is well documented since the documentaries on the anti-Chinese side that have tried to see what's happening at the schools without the peering eye of the Chinese government have also filmed the students leaving the schools).

I suppose one worry is that, even if some go to these schools voluntarily, others are put there forcibly. In an ideal world, I wouldn't have anyone forced into a school or a camp. But a world with the sorts of terrorism problems that are present isn't an ideal world. It's a tricky problem with perhaps no great solution. Do you take a more passive approach and just let people be trained in radical teachings and then deal with the consequences later? Or do you take a more proactive approach and rework people's mindsets before they commit acts of terrorism? China is taking the latter approach, and I don't see that that approach is any morally worse than the alternatives. It does involve cutting off freedoms, such as the freedom to not be coerced into training of sorts. But perhaps that’s a freedom worth giving up if it means that residents of Xinjiang have their freedom to life (not being killed by knife and car attacks) preserved.

This is sort of where I’m at right now. I don’t think there’s something fundamentally wrong with the system China is employing. Perhaps there are abuses occurring, I have heard cases of rape, and if such things happen they certainly should be condemned and stopped (and I would assume China would agree on this point). But I think the overall plan that China has is an acceptable one given the tough situation they are in.

I still want to do more research on this, and that’s part of why I’m posting here to see where my blinders might be. But I also thought it might be healthy for the board if I presented my minority-ish view. (And I’m sorry if this has been discussed to death elsewhere…)

Very thoughtful post, thanks for sharing.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

This is 100% bullshit and narrative. Mean tweets are only a part of the problem.

The reality is that Neera Tanden is a disgusting person and is not qualified or with anything close to the right temperament to be in the building, nonetheless in charge. She has a history of terrible management at CAP, violent outbursts, outing sexual harassment victims at her own org, and being a sick person. She has openly floated wildly flawed Russiagate theories, the idea that Russia tweaked vote totals (insurrection?) and that Anthony Kennedy was bought off by the Russians. Her tweets are indicative that she is insane and should never be in that office. Her nomination shows that Biden and Klain don't give a hoot about unity or actual qualifications.

1. I don’t like Neera Tanden. This is not a defense of her.

2. I’m not sure you are a good arbiter of what constitutes a disgusting person given your recent posts in this thread. What purpose does it serve sharing hacked text messages from Hunter Biden? He is a deeply flawed private citizen who has no role in this Administration.

3. I would suggest the mods move any discussion of Hunter Biden elsewhere and reserve this thread for actual discussions of Biden Administration. There are certainly good discussions to be had here about the current president and his policies. I don’t think delighting in the past missteps of a recovering drug addict are one of them.

 

[drayer54]

1. I don’t like Neera Tanden. This is not a defense of her.

2. I’m not sure you are a good arbiter of what constitutes a disgusting person given your recent posts in this thread. What purpose does it serve sharing hacked text messages from Hunter Biden? He is a deeply flawed private citizen who has no role in this Administration.

3. I would suggest the mods move any discussion of Hunter Biden elsewhere and reserve this thread for actual discussions of Biden Administration. There are certainly good discussions to be had here about the current president and his policies. I don’t think delighting in the past missteps of a recovering drug addict are one of them.

1- OK
2- Her tweets and actions are disgusting and reflective of a deranged individual. The Biden family has found a way to survive off Joe's office and by selling policy. I would argue their professional actions are certainly relevant to the Biden Administration. I'm sorry we don't agree on everything, but Hunter is relevant just as the Trump kids were fair targets.
3- While I think it would be nice to know what nation was funding those hookers and drugs, we can go back to Biden's interesting policy choices.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

1- OK
2- Her tweets and actions are disgusting and reflective of a deranged individual. The Biden family has found a way to survive off Joe's office and by selling policy. I would argue their professional actions are certainly relevant to the Biden Administration. I'm sorry we don't agree on everything, but Hunter is relevant just as the Trump kids were fair targets.
3- While I think it would be nice to know what nation was funding those hookers and drugs, we can go back to Biden's interesting policy choices.

Trump’s children were fair targets because Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump were members of Trump Administration.

In terms of Biden profiting off of policy, he was the poorest member of the Senate for decades. After the Obama Administration, he didn’t give $250,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs like Hillary Clinton. He made a little money off of a book deal, but it sounds like even that’s been largely tapped. It was recently reported that Biden almost took out a mortgage during the 2020 primary when his prospects looked dim.

There is plenty of objective evidence out there to show he’s not and never has been a wealthy man. His tax returns are publicly available if you want to look at them.

I understand being critical of Biden if you support construction of the Keystone Pipeline or think a $15 minimum wage is too high. I’m not a fan of critiques that are based on a reality you’ve created for yourself that have no basis in fact.

 

[Blazers46]

1. I don’t like Neera Tanden. This is not a defense of her.

2. I’m not sure you are a good arbiter of what constitutes a disgusting person given your recent posts in this thread. What purpose does it serve sharing hacked text messages from Hunter Biden? He is a deeply flawed private citizen who has no role in this Administration.

3. I would suggest the mods move any discussion of Hunter Biden elsewhere and reserve this thread for actual discussions of Biden Administration. There are certainly good discussions to be had here about the current president and his policies. I don’t think delighting in the past missteps of a recovering drug addict are one of them.

He is so deeply flawed that he has quickly rose to the level of the 1 percenters just merely being a private citizen with no role in hid dads affairs.

 

[Rogue219]

https://moneywise.com/a/why-are-gaso...h-will-they-go

This is likely going to be blamed on Joe, Chuck, Nancy, cancellation of the Keystone Pipeline and The Green New Deal (legislation that has not been passed now gets blamed for shit) but this is an important read as to the forthcoming gas price spike that is going to happen and why oil is going to skyrocket.

For as much as the USA isn't as dependent on OPEC, we are very much at the center of setting the world's oil prices. Production was cut substantially in the last year due to Covid. They will be slow to get production back to pre pandemic levels and love the high prices in the meantime. For the foreseeable future.

 

[Blazers46]

1. I don’t like Neera Tanden. This is not a defense of her.

2. I’m not sure you are a good arbiter of what constitutes a disgusting person given your recent posts in this thread. What purpose does it serve sharing hacked text messages from Hunter Biden? He is a deeply flawed private citizen who has no role in this Administration.

3. I would suggest the mods move any discussion of Hunter Biden elsewhere and reserve this thread for actual discussions of Biden Administration. There are certainly good discussions to be had here about the current president and his policies. I don’t think delighting in the past missteps of a recovering drug addict are one of them.

I agree, why arent we talking about Biden trading cages for shipping containers?

 

[drayer54]

I agree, why arent we talking about Biden trading cages for shipping containers?

My outrage at the shipping container madness is aimed at the left and the press. This was hysteria and heated rhetoric under one President and a pass under the next. It's a complex problem and I don't pretend to have the answers, but I do think asking for consistency is fair. I don't see the Keep Families Together signs and Facebook profile frames with this new facility. You could argue that Biden should be able to deliver a better solution after he grilled Trump on this during the debate, but it is complex and the expectations for him are quite low.

I also expect a nominee for Assistant Secretary of Health to answer whether or not children should be able to have a sex change.

Paul then asked Levine: “Do you believe that minors are capable of making such a life-changing decision as changing one’s sex?”

Levine responded calmly, thanking Paul for his question. “Transgender medicine is a very complex and nuanced field with robust research and standards of care that have been developed,” Levine said. She promised to discuss the “particulars” further if confirmed.

He pressed: “Will you make a more firm decision on whether minors should be involved with these decisions?” and she responded again that if confirmed, she’d be “pleased” to talk with him and his staff about transgender standards of care.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/rand-paul-transgender-rachel-levine-confirmation-20210225.html

 

[Blazers46]

I also expect a nominee for Assistant Secretary of Health to answer whether or not children should be able to have a sex change.



https://www.inquirer.com/news/rand-paul-transgender-rachel-levine-confirmation-20210225.html

Remember when kids just "went through phases" as a kid? Now they are encouraged to go through sex changes... crazy how far we have come.


We do not trust kids to do the following until they are adults:
Cannot buy cigaretts until 18.
Cannot buy alcohol until 21.
Cannot vote until 18.
Cannot get married without parental consent until 18.
Age of consent to have sex is around 15 to 18 years old.
Cannot get a piercing or tattoo until age 18.

But they fully capable of making a decision to cut their penis off or going through other therapies to change their sex... #woke

 

[Irish#1]

Trump’s children were fair targets because Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump were members of Trump Administration.

In terms of Biden profiting off of policy, he was the poorest member of the Senate for decades. After the Obama Administration, he didn’t give $250,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs like Hillary Clinton. He made a little money off of a book deal, but it sounds like even that’s been largely tapped. It was recently reported that Biden almost took out a mortgage during the 2020 primary when his prospects looked dim.

There is plenty of objective evidence out there to show he’s not and never has been a wealthy man. His tax returns are publicly available if you want to look at them.

I understand being critical of Biden if you support construction of the Keystone Pipeline or think a $15 minimum wage is too high. I’m not a fan of critiques that are based on a reality you’ve created for yourself that have no basis in fact.

Trump's kids were part of the administration and fair game. Hunter was involved in that crap overseas using his dad's influence, so he's fair game as well.

 

[NorthDakota]

1. I don’t like Neera Tanden. This is not a defense of her.

2. I’m not sure you are a good arbiter of what constitutes a disgusting person given your recent posts in this thread. What purpose does it serve sharing hacked text messages from Hunter Biden? He is a deeply flawed private citizen who has no role in this Administration.

3. I would suggest the mods move any discussion of Hunter Biden elsewhere and reserve this thread for actual discussions of Biden Administration. There are certainly good discussions to be had here about the current president and his policies. I don’t think delighting in the past missteps of a recovering drug addict are one of them.

I think it shows he's a decent arbiter of what constitutes a disgusting person. He was able to identify Hunter and Neera after all.

Nah...Hunter Biden is mostly fair game, he's a 50-something year old guy. If I recall, the Trump thread had people sharing thoughts on rumors about Baron....and he's like 13 or something. That may have been a different forum im on, cant recall. There was all sorts of goofy stuff discussed in the Trump thread though.

Hunter might not even really be a private citizen...at least not in the normal context. His old man is the POTUS plus he's not a kid (See: Chelsea, Baron, Obama's girls) or a young adult (see W's girls).

His drug problems are one thing no one should celebrate. If he relapses or whatever, I dont think anyone here is rooting for that. But his other behavior/business should probably be fair game.

 

[NorthDakota]

Trump’s children were fair targets because Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump were members of Trump Administration.

In terms of Biden profiting off of policy, he was the poorest member of the Senate for decades. After the Obama Administration, he didn’t give $250,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs like Hillary Clinton. He made a little money off of a book deal, but it sounds like even that’s been largely tapped. It was recently reported that Biden almost took out a mortgage during the 2020 primary when his prospects looked dim.

There is plenty of objective evidence out there to show he’s not and never has been a wealthy man. His tax returns are publicly available if you want to look at them.

I understand being critical of Biden if you support construction of the Keystone Pipeline or think a $15 minimum wage is too high. I’m not a fan of critiques that are based on a reality you’ve created for yourself that have no basis in fact.

Trump’s children were fair targets because Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump were members of Trump Administration.

In terms of Biden profiting off of policy, he was the poorest member of the Senate for decades. After the Obama Administration, he didn’t give $250,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs like Hillary Clinton. He made a little money off of a book deal, but it sounds like even that’s been largely tapped. It was recently reported that Biden almost took out a mortgage during the 2020 primary when his prospects looked dim.

There is plenty of objective evidence out there to show he’s not and never has been a wealthy man. His tax returns are publicly available if you want to look at them.

I understand being critical of Biden if you support construction of the Keystone Pipeline or think a $15 minimum wage is too high. I’m not a fan of critiques that are based on a reality you’ve created for yourself that have no basis in fact.

1. Trump has several children. So because one of them was a part of the administration, all of them were fair game? That logic doesn't make any sense.

2. Biden was an objectively wealthy man for several decades. Being the least wealthy member of the most influential group of politicians in the United States does not mean you do not have substantial wealth. https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a31265187/joe-biden-net-worth/.

His speaking fee may not have been $250K, but it got as high as $190K. Even as a senator, he was paid pretty well, had great job security, great government bennies. Worked as a VP, also good pay and great bennies.

If you own two homes worth a combined $4-5 million dollars, you are wealthy. If you own another $4-5 million in investments, you are pretty wealthy. If you have a million dollar federal pension, you are sitting pretty good.

Non-wealthy 31 year-old folks don't buy 10K sq ft DuPont mansions. Non-wealthy folks don't build a 6800 sq ft home.https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/real-estate/a33809100/joe-biden-real-estate-homes/

The idea that Joe Biden isn't a wealthy guy is silly. Was a lot of his money tied up in property? Probably. But dude is and was a wealthy dude. His salary from the Senate alone back in 2008 would put him in the top 15% of household incomes in 2020. https://dqydj.com/household-income-percentile-calculator/ https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/senate_salaries.htm