Biden Presidency

[BilboBaggins]

I know!

The Biden gang won’t be outdone though. Everyone gets a cut.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/bid...dent-in-inauguration-day-ad-for-law-firm.html

What's next, Biden is going to make them part of the administration? Or is that just a Trump thing?

 

[BilboBaggins]

Obama got to DC and passed the $787 billion stimulus that did jack $hit other than drive us further into debt.

Just because you have that opinion doesn't make it true.

The most-cite think tank in America disagrees with you:

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/...-middle-class-income-losses-in-the-recession/

Not even getting into the weeds on how much it benefited or didn't benefit the economy, the idea that the money wasn't injected into the middle class for some measure of economic relief is absurd. To say it did "jack shit" (you can fucking curse here man, it's the internet) is an AM radio take.

Trump lowered taxes and removed some regulations, and not happy about what he did to the debt/ deficit either.

....a year into office, after the economy was already roaring. Pretty much proving that the tax cuts didn't usher in some Trumpian economic utopia.

See what I did there? I can give the guy credit for some things and point out his shortcomings in the same post.

Great next maybe you'll stop worshiping him.

Or we could just end the discussion, wave our hands, and say, "our economy is basically the same under every president brrrrrrr."

I think it's more likely that you pretend Republicans have some sort of monopoly on productive economic policy while continuing to ignore that every single Democratic President has also seen the US economy be stronger than ever.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Just because you have that opinion doesn't make it true.

The most-cite think tank in America disagrees with you:

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/...-middle-class-income-losses-in-the-recession/

Not even getting into the weeds on how much it benefited or didn't benefit the economy, the idea that the money wasn't injected into the middle class for some measure of economic relief is absurd. To say it did "jack shit" (you can fucking curse here man, it's the internet) is an AM radio take.



....a year into office, after the economy was already roaring. Pretty much proving that the tax cuts didn't usher in some Trumpian economic utopia.



Great next maybe you'll stop worshiping him.



I think it's more likely that you pretend Republicans have some sort of monopoly on productive economic policy while continuing to ignore that every single Democratic President has also seen the US economy be stronger than ever.

Jimmy Carter

 

[BilboBaggins]

Jimmy Carter

Even Jimmy Carter saw a record GDP. Of course with inflation all things are possible lol ...but I might ask, how is that different than asset inflation as an indirect side-effect of Fed policy today?

He also installed the Fed board members credited with getting monetary policy back on course in the early 1980s.

IMO the guy after him compares similarly to Obama. Reagan and Obama both had pretty bumpy first terms and the economy finally hit its stride in their second terms.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Just because you have that opinion doesn't make it true.

The most-cite think tank in America disagrees with you:

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/...-middle-class-income-losses-in-the-recession/

Not even getting into the weeds on how much it benefited or didn't benefit the economy, the idea that the money wasn't injected into the middle class for some measure of economic relief is absurd. To say it did "jack shit" (you can fucking curse here man, it's the internet) is an AM radio take.



....a year into office, after the economy was already roaring. Pretty much proving that the tax cuts didn't usher in some Trumpian economic utopia.



Great next maybe you'll stop worshiping him.



I think it's more likely that you pretend Republicans have some sort of monopoly on productive economic policy while continuing to ignore that every single Democratic President has also seen the US economy be stronger than ever.

That whole "your opinion doesn't make it true" is a two way street, bud. I don't give a damn what a think tank says because the numbers don't lie. $787 BILLION for "good paying jobs" and money that went directly to "cities and states" to "help the average American worker" and unemployment subsequently went up, not down. We'll have to agree to disagree that government doesn't create jobs.

Q1 GDP in 2017 was at 1.8%,, not exactly a number most would relate to a roaring economy. And by Q2 of 2018 jumped to 4.2%.

I didn't use the word utopia, but things were really damn good economically in this country pre covid. I've said plenty of times I wouldn't want to have beers with Trump, but I'd take most of his policies any day.

The mental gymnastics you're participating in to try and dismiss those policies are either related to your hated of Trump or your strong desire to debate. Cheers.

 

[Blazers46]

New Mexico would be crazy not to roll out the red carpet for solar:

I agree. Except people have to be able to afford it to get any sort of tax breaks or even discounts. NM is poor. We have solar at our home and even at our family farm. But in terms of economy and leadership making decisions that impact the economy this will hurt more in the short term for NM. Poor people dont look at the 5 year and beyond benefit. They are paycheck to paycheck or first of the month to first of the month.

As far as the state adopting cleaner energy as a whole, that costs money as well. Money we rarely have for anything and money we are losing because of the disruption in oil.

 

[drayer54]

I agree. Except people have to be able to afford it to get any sort of tax breaks or even discounts. NM is poor. We have solar at our home and even at our family farm. But in terms of economy and leadership making decisions that impact the economy this will hurt more in the short term for NM. Poor people dont look at the 5 year and beyond benefit. They are paycheck to paycheck or first of the month to first of the month.

As far as the state adopting cleaner energy as a whole, that costs money as well. Money we rarely have for anything and money we are losing because of the disruption in oil.

You're saying working class folks can't simply up and move to some other place and just start building solar panels at companies that donate to Democrats? Coal plant operations doesn't qualify you code?
Yeah, the new regime doesn't care about these people because they are getting in the way of their picked winners in the Climate Justice plan.

 

[Legacy]

With all due respect, the oil and gas jobs arguments have been used for years to justify anything from restrictions to drilling on federal lands and coal-fired plants. Times have to change which the legislature acknowledged in 2019 and PNM has instituted. Alternative energy will generate jobs. Their coal-fired plants are being retrofitted replacing the plant with a mix of new natural gas-fired generating stations and solar and battery storage system generating jobs in NW NM. Trump's Deputy Secretary of Energy visited the area and commented on the project.
Officials: Carbon capture project would be largest in world
(AP, October 5, 2020)

Oil and gas leave the state and companies are responsible for reporting the amounts drilled for taxes, which are notorious for underreporting.

The concerns about less oil and gas production in the fields of southern NM and the impact on state revenue are valid. But these aren't going away there in any substantial amount soon, though that depends on demand not only nationally but internationally since it is piped to facilities in Texas for processing. Travel through oil producing areas and you will notice the changes in air quality. The water also tastes different.

The methane venting that has gone on at these places is being addressed by the legislature.
Draft rules would cut methane venting, flaring in New Mexico 98% in six years

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Coal is dead and isnt coming back. Trump lied about this and unfortunately many people bought into it.

Oil production should be ramping down becasue it is becoming cost prohibitive and environmental cleanup of former sites is also very expensive.

Natural gas and fracking production has been given every benefit possible and is still only marginally more cost effective that wind and solar right now.

Solar and wind have little to no environmental impact or future cleanup once the structures are in place however production of solar panels does lead to large quantities of heavy metal wastes that must be managed. Their treatment is similar to the wastes produced by computer component producers so there is already infrastructure (lined landfills) and legal vehicles in place.

Wind turbines and structure are primarily steel and concrete just like any other normal structure.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

With regards to energy production and energy independence I cant help but view it through a "cradle to grave" lens. If we want to be independent, the US must improve energy creation from the beginning to the end and create this energy with as little impact to the environment as possible. Smart investments in the front end will lead to long term sustainability and good waste management. This much has been clear once cleanups of coal and nuclear plants has begun. Its of utmost importance to not stick the public with these cleanup costs and loss of usable land becasue a private energy company got lazy and irresponsible. Any assessment of any energy production must consider how its produced and how it gets to its users in totality.

By doing this we can show our independence and also lead the world in revamping their oil based energy production. I do think a net zero carbon plan is possible.

Some communities may be harmed by this like in West Virginia. Unfortunately it will happen. WE need to assist in retooling these communities as well. Bootstraps wont do it alone. They will need financial assistance and retraining.

ETA: Luckily Life-Cycle Analyses (LCA's) while a new methodology, is becoming a useful tool in moving cradle to grave processes forward for all types of manufacturing and production sectors.

ETA2:
I know there will be an incoming statement by someone about China and India not doing their part so why bother. Well China is shifting to a green energy and green economy after ramping up their damage to a tipping point will be committing to green energy production rapidly.

India is moving much slower but does acknowledge their problems and is signaling an attempt to improve.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jen Psaki circles back: ‘I often note, ‘I’m going to circle back’ — I hate to disappoint conservative Twitter, but I’m going to circle back on a number of things’ <a href="https://t.co/g0TkKowqaX">pic.twitter.com/g0TkKowqaX</a></p>— NowThis (@nowthisnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1356295963707662339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Blazers46]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jen Psaki circles back: ‘I often note, ‘I’m going to circle back’ — I hate to disappoint conservative Twitter, but I’m going to circle back on a number of things’ <a href="https://t.co/g0TkKowqaX">pic.twitter.com/g0TkKowqaX</a></p>— NowThis (@nowthisnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1356295963707662339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gotta love the unity.

I think its one thing to attack media but it almost like she is singling out conservative people on twitter.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Oh please. Obama wore a tan suit and conservative Twitter lost their minds. Never mind Obama ramping up of the drone strikes.... that suit though. Benghazi!!!!!!!! Lock Her up!!!! Hotdog gate!!!!!! Conservative Twitter needs zero help ginning up issues to bitch about nor any help propagandizing current events.

 

[Blazers46]

Oh please. Obama wore a tan suit and conservative Twitter lost their minds. Never mind Obama ramping up of the drone strikes.... that suit though. Benghazi!!!!!!!! Lock Her up!!!! Hotdog gate!!!!!! Conservative Twitter needs zero help ginning up issues to bitch about nor any help propagandizing current events.

Dont preach unity if you have no intentions on unifying. I am sure you are to witch and moan about the other side being on the attack, no better than the prior administration if you want to go down this path.

 

[TorontoGold]

Oh please. Obama wore a tan suit and conservative Twitter lost their minds. Never mind Obama ramping up of the drone strikes.... that suit though. Benghazi!!!!!!!! Lock Her up!!!! Hotdog gate!!!!!! Conservative Twitter needs zero help ginning up issues to bitch about nor any help propagandizing current events.

Dude, it's all binary to them. There is no sense in calling it out something because there is always an equivalization of how they're are so aggrieved. Remember though, it's always liberals that are the snowflakes.

The party of anti-intellectualism is on full display.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Muslims: Not all Muslims are bad! <br>Republicans: Then stand up! Call out and rebuke the crazies who claim to represent you! <br>Muslims: Okay. Will you also call out and rebuke the crazies in your party?<br>Republicans: ............. the media...... <a href="https://t.co/RKVzp1z9iO">https://t.co/RKVzp1z9iO</a></p>— Bryan Tucker (@BTuckertime) <a href="https://twitter.com/BTuckertime/status/1356312056899776515?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[IrishLax]

Gotta love the unity.

I think its one thing to attack media but it almost like she is singling out conservative people on twitter.

Here you go, don't clutch them too hard.

 

[Blazers46]

Dude, it's all binary to them. There is no sense in calling it out something because there is always an equivalization of how they're are so aggrieved. Remember though, it's always liberals that are the snowflakes.

The party of anti-intellectualism is on full display.

Why do you even comment? You are a perfect example of why America is so divided. Agree with me or you are an idiot/stupid. Your contributions seem to be I am smart and right and if you disagree with me or have a conservative opinion you are dumb and wrong. We totally get it already.

 

[IrishLax]

Oh please. Obama wore a tan suit and conservative Twitter lost their minds. Never mind Obama ramping up of the drone strikes.... that suit though. Benghazi!!!!!!!! Lock Her up!!!! Hotdog gate!!!!!! Conservative Twitter needs zero help ginning up issues to bitch about nor any help propagandizing current events.

We literally have a Republican Congresswoman on social media supporting the execution of Obama and Hillary Clinton, and Blazers is upset about Psaki commenting about the "circle back" memes that were on Twitter.

Priorities, man.

 

[Blazers46]

We literally have a Republican Congresswoman on social media supporting the execution of Obama and Hillary Clinton, and Blazers is upset about Psaki commenting about the "circle back" memes that were on Twitter.

Priorities, man.

So post it and lets talk about it. In the mean time I will respond to what is in the discussion.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

We literally have a Republican Congresswoman on social media supporting the execution of Obama and Hillary Clinton, and Blazers is upset about Psaki commenting about the "circle back" memes that were on Twitter.

Priorities, man.

Yeah dat insurrection and sedition was just a bunch of guys cosplaying.

 

[GoIrish41]

So post it and lets talk about it. In the mean time I will respond to what is in the discussion.

It’s already posted.

 

[IrishLax]

It’s already posted.

This.

 

[TorontoGold]

Why do you even comment? You are a perfect example of why America is so divided. Agree with me or you are an idiot/stupid. Your contributions seem to be I am smart and right and if you disagree with me or have a conservative opinion you are dumb and wrong. We totally get it already.

I literally had a full out discussion with you a couple days ago, and many times before that. Not everything is about you, relax.

With Leppy, he at least uses graphs and charts regarding the economy, we disagree on interpretation of them and the cause/effect.

In regards to the platitude of "You are why America is so divided", nah, nope, wrong. There's division because on one side you have a party that doesn't deal with legit extremists being members of their party. These are somehow equated to people like AOC/Omar as being the Left's version of MTG/Boebert, again that is so insane to even think about. Until the party deals with Gaetz/MTG/Boebert and like then you can get back to disagreeing with policy.

 

[Blazers46]

So we are playing the "well your side did this game"? I just simply said Biden preached unity now his mouth piece seems to taking jabs. Biden wanted to be different and here we are. You guys obviously are not buying into the unity garbage either, noted.

 

[NorthDakota]

I dont see whats divisive about the lady cracking a joke about "circling back." The last girl Donald had would get a few funny digs in too.

 

[dublinirish]

So we are playing the "well your side did this game"? I just simply said Biden preached unity now his mouth piece seems to taking jabs. Biden wanted to be different and here we are. You guys obviously are not buying into the unity garbage either, noted.

Not sure how you expect Fascists/Insurrectionists to be welcomed back into society when the gatekeepers for them STILL refuse to condemn them properly?

 

[Blazers46]

I literally had a full out discussion with you a couple days ago, and many times before that. Not everything is about you, relax.

With Leppy, he at least uses graphs and charts regarding the economy, we disagree on interpretation of them and the cause/effect.

In regards to the platitude of "You are why America is so divided", nah, nope, wrong. There's division because on one side you have a party that doesn't deal with legit extremists being members of their party. These are somehow equated to people like AOC/Omar as being the Left's version of MTG/Boebert, again that is so insane to even think about. Until the party deals with Gaetz/MTG/Boebert and like then you can get back to disagreeing with policy.

I appreciated the convo, even the bars and graphs. My argument then was simply in the context of presidents making decisions that affect the economy. His signature immediately negatively affected the economy in NM... right, wrong, or indifferent. You guys were just trying to prove he did a good thing... sure but that was not the contect of the discussion.

Your comment... "The party of anti-intellectualism is on full display." You lost me there.

 

[TorontoGold]

I appreciated the convo, even the bars and graphs. My argument then was simply in the context of presidents making decisions that affect the economy. His signature immediately negatively affected the economy in NM... right, wrong, or indifferent. You guys were just trying to prove he did a good thing... sure but that was not the contect of the discussion.

Your comment... "The party of anti-intellectualism is on full display." You lost me there.

I actually know absolutely nothing about NM, except what I've picked up from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, so I didn't comment on that.

Conservatives have railed against universities as socialist breeding grounds. I can't wrap my head around why going to university is bad. I was actually part of my school's conservative party lmao.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I actually know absolutely nothing about NM, except what I've picked up from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, so I didn't comment on that.

Conservatives have railed against universities as socialist breeding grounds. I can't wrap my head around why going to university is bad. I was actually part of my school's conservative party lmao.

I think you just proved his point. LOL