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Student loan forgiveness was a sexy topic recently.

I don't remember him campaigning on that though, that was Bernie's idea IIRC.

I mean like straight up far left ideas or policy points that Biden campaigned on. For those that say Biden is far left or as one poster said the ultra left, what has he said or done that fits that?

The Keystone move was surprising, see Joe outflank Trudeau to left was unexpected. What are the folks in ND/SD saying about it?
 

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I don't remember him campaigning on that though, that was Bernie's idea IIRC.

I mean like straight up far left ideas or policy points that Biden campaigned on. For those that say Biden is far left or as one poster said the ultra left, what has he said or done that fits that?

The Keystone move was surprising, see Joe outflank Trudeau to left was unexpected. What are the folks in ND/SD saying about it?

Biden's campaign is irrelevant, just like every other politician. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I personally like that he left Bernie Sanders out to dry on the Secretary of Labor position. I am in favor of that.

But the litmus test will be when something left of his natural middle left position comes for him to sign. Will he do it? Will he put pressure to avoid a hard turn left? It will be interesting to see. The conservatives are a mess, largely because Trump and others took a hard turn right. Would Biden risk the same? We'll see.
 

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I don't remember him campaigning on that though, that was Bernie's idea IIRC.

I mean like straight up far left ideas or policy points that Biden campaigned on. For those that say Biden is far left or as one poster said the ultra left, what has he said or done that fits that?

The Keystone move was surprising, see Joe outflank Trudeau to left was unexpected. What are the folks in ND/SD saying about it?

What is old Bernie up to anyway? Oh, Joe's Budget Chairman.
 

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I don't remember him campaigning on that though, that was Bernie's idea IIRC.

I mean like straight up far left ideas or policy points that Biden campaigned on. For those that say Biden is far left or as one poster said the ultra left, what has he said or done that fits that?

The Keystone move was surprising, see Joe outflank Trudeau to left was unexpected. What are the folks in ND/SD saying about it?

I own land in ND, I have family that farms in North Dakota, I havent had the time to even ask. But to say Keystone was a surprise is like saying you are surprised Alabama beat Notre Dame.
 

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A lot of conservatives might still be waiting for China to topple us ascending from the Canadian border. Some might have taken their ball and went home. I just know a lot of my conservative friends are very confused right now.

By confused you really mean stupid, right?
 

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I don't remember him campaigning on that though, that was Bernie's idea IIRC.

I mean like straight up far left ideas or policy points that Biden campaigned on. For those that say Biden is far left or as one poster said the ultra left, what has he said or done that fits that?

The Keystone move was surprising, see Joe outflank Trudeau to left was unexpected. What are the folks in ND/SD saying about it?

Ahhh ok I'm picking up what you are putting down. Original Uncle Joe ideas...he has never had one (plagiarism joke there).

The beauty of Joe Biden's campaign was literally zero liberals cared what he was running on, he wasn't Trump, they were going to turn out. I dont think he ran on any bizarre lefty ideas (he mentioned some nonsense about green energy but I dont believe he actually cares or will do much there) so he was going to get indy's on board too who didn't like the Donald.

But my understanding is our part of the pipeline is already done and I think operational...idk thats out of my wheelhouse, we probably got some oil/gas nerd on the board who follows that stuff more closely. Anyone who is hostile to oil/gas/fracking is hostile to North Dakota. South Dakota doesn't have much, if any of that going on so it matters less to them, Bishop might be more clued in on our dear friends in Pheasant country.

All I know is we got an unreasonable amount of oil and gas in the ground, it happens to be in the part of the state that is sparse and not hospitable to agriculture anyway, so let's frack the shit out of it and roll.
 

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I own land in ND, I have family that farms in North Dakota, I havent had the time to even ask. But to say Keystone was a surprise is like saying you are surprised Alabama beat Notre Dame.

Which neck of the (not) woods, buddy?
 

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I don't remember him campaigning on that though, that was Bernie's idea IIRC.

I mean like straight up far left ideas or policy points that Biden campaigned on. For those that say Biden is far left or as one poster said the ultra left, what has he said or done that fits that?

The Keystone move was surprising, see Joe outflank Trudeau to left was unexpected. What are the folks in ND/SD saying about it?

Biden was probably the most centrist of all candidates. I think Bernie's orbit is harmful to the US economy, probably more than Trump's incompetent and uneducated team simply because it was a team of morons.

I'll be honest, though, I don't want unity. I want to crush people. I love all things strength and power, and it should be payback time. The dog is down, we should kick it... then burn it, then kick it again. How did it go? Oh yeah, fuck its feelings.

But, alas, the sorry sap democrats will probably want to do sorry sap things like unify the country, play fair, etc. I hate that part of the party. Why do we have to be jedi? I want to be sith, dammit.
 

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Nah just the ones who are racist, nationalist/ white supremacists/Nazis. The rest of you are just wrong. :) Elections have consequences. Did I say that right?

If you have never done so, I suggest reading "The Authoritarian Dynamic".

It's a fascinating read, especially in context of Trump, Brexit, etc. The point is clear though....there is a subset of people that have authoritarian tendencies. It's not race driven either, but rather they value order and obedience above all else. But those tendencies, especially politically, don't impact their voting until they physically feel threatened. Whether that is economic threats (white working class in the Midwest for example), physical safety (threat of ISIS) or something else, if it threatens their perceived notion of order, they will naturally align to leaders who "stand up" to the threat. It's important to note that they aren't against something because they hate "insert minority group here". It's the threat of their existence. It could be anyone threatening them, they would reach the exact same way.

Here is one other interesting theory from the book...physical threats will turn people without authoritarian tendencies into authoritarians, so long as the threat remains. That is why R's do well in elections when these threats exist. It's why they are also so strong on "law and order". It activates that trigger in some people.

The scariest part about it all is that Trump's existence isn't what created the circus. He just was the one this group aligned to. There will be others just like him and, according to election results, many are likely to succeed.

But IMO, as a country, we need to stop calling people Nazi's, racists, bigots, etc. There are certainly people who are. But to those who aren't, the mere suggestion that someone who appears to be seeking order similar to what they desire is called a racist, will perpetuate the cycle of feeling threatened. I know that is unlikely. But the boogeyman of "cancel culture" keeps the "résistance" alive.
 

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Same crap, different pile.

Round these guys up and charge them right away!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-biden-antifa-portland-police

Agree. They are endemic and destructive. A real problem. That doesn't mean that can't be jailed and moved out. Here's the Oregonian description with 58 photos:

Inauguration Day in Oregon: Some protesters clash with police during Inauguration Day march (live updates)

Also a riot on Jan 1 with Mayor's response:
Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler calls for tougher penalties, more police tools, as protests mark new year in Oregon cities

That weekend Portlanders organized a cleanup of the downtown area damaged by those guys.

At a Pro-Trump rally on Jan 6, the day the Insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. This included the Proud Boys and other violent right wing extremists like Brewster:
Kyle Brewster, convicted in notorious 1988 hate crime killing, seen at pro-Trump rallies in Salem, Portland
Updated Jan 19, 2021; Posted Jan 18, 2021 (with photos)

One of the men convicted in the infamous 1988 hate killing of Mulugeta Seraw in Portland got into a bloody clash at the Jan. 6 pro-Trump demonstration outside the state Capitol in Salem.

Kyle H. Brewster, 51, also appears to have attended a Proud Boy rally last fall in Portland.

Rose City Antifa, Portland’s amorphous group of anti-fascist activists, posted photos of a man who appears to be Brewster at both events.

Willamette Week also reported that one of its correspondents said he saw Brewster fighting with leftist counterprotesters on the lawn at the Oregon Capitol event.

Brewster, long associated with racist groups in the Pacific Northwest, has been out of prison since 2010 and lives in Portland.

He was one of three men convicted in the fatal street beating of Seraw, a 28-year-old Ethiopian immigrant who was fleeing violence in his own country. (cont)

Not sure why Brewster hasn't been jailed for assault. Here's the murder he committed.
Mulugeta Seraw

I've noted the racist, white supremacist element in Oregon before and the fights in Salem. In one Trump rally on Jan 6, the pro-Trumpers invaded the Capitol when the legislature was in session, but were stopped by security. The legislature was canceled for the Inauguration.

Pro-Trump rally in Salem declared ‘unlawful assembly’ as DC protests turn violent (OPB) (photos and video)
 
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I appreciate the responses from ND, I#1, arahop and drayer. Certainly the EOs are have become regular actions for Prezs "on Day 1". I was just referring to the those actions as comprised of the Unitary Executive theory and its perceived limits. Correct me if I am wrong that it goes back to Korematsu. We move forward as drayer says "I've found that building relationships and being nice goes a lot further than screaming and demanding."

Cheers, guys!

Was thinking about this yesterday. I think there's two reasons why he may not use EO's as often. 1. He has the House and Senate with him so getting things done should be a lot easier for him than it was for Trump. 2. Biden is an old D.C. politician. He won't have the same mindset or perspective as Trump when trying to get things done. Trump loathed the political BS that makes it impossible to get something passed and implemented fairly quickly so he used EO's to get around the "highway construction zone barriers".
 

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If you have never done so, I suggest reading "The Authoritarian Dynamic".

It's a fascinating read, especially in context of Trump, Brexit, etc. The point is clear though....there is a subset of people that have authoritarian tendencies. It's not race driven either, but rather they value order and obedience above all else. But those tendencies, especially politically, don't impact their voting until they physically feel threatened. Whether that is economic threats (white working class in the Midwest for example), physical safety (threat of ISIS) or something else, if it threatens their perceived notion of order, they will naturally align to leaders who "stand up" to the threat. It's important to note that they aren't against something because they hate "insert minority group here". It's the threat of their existence. It could be anyone threatening them, they would reach the exact same way.

Here is one other interesting theory from the book...physical threats will turn people without authoritarian tendencies into authoritarians, so long as the threat remains. That is why R's do well in elections when these threats exist. It's why they are also so strong on "law and order". It activates that trigger in some people.

The scariest part about it all is that Trump's existence isn't what created the circus. He just was the one this group aligned to. There will be others just like him and, according to election results, many are likely to succeed.

But IMO, as a country, we need to stop calling people Nazi's, racists, bigots, etc. There are certainly people who are. But to those who aren't, the mere suggestion that someone who appears to be seeking order similar to what they desire is called a racist, will perpetuate the cycle of feeling threatened. I know that is unlikely. But the boogeyman of "cancel culture" keeps the "résistance" alive.

Excellent post.
 

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Biden was probably the most centrist of all candidates. I think Bernie's orbit is harmful to the US economy, probably more than Trump's incompetent and uneducated team simply because it was a team of morons.

I'll be honest, though, I don't want unity. I want to crush people. I love all things strength and power, and it should be payback time. The dog is down, we should kick it... then burn it, then kick it again. How did it go? Oh yeah, fuck its feelings.

But, alas, the sorry sap democrats will probably want to do sorry sap things like unify the country, play fair, etc. I hate that part of the party. Why do we have to be jedi? I want to be sith, dammit.

That incompetent, uneducated group had the economy humming like a fine tuned Rolls Royce with unemployment at record lows. Imagine if they were smart!
 

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But IMO, as a country, we need to stop calling people Nazi's, racists, bigots, etc. There are certainly people who are. But to those who aren't, the mere suggestion that someone who appears to be seeking order similar to what they desire is called a racist, will perpetuate the cycle of feeling threatened. I know that is unlikely. But the boogeyman of "cancel culture" keeps the "résistance" alive.

Having to give in and pamper the sense of being aggrieved is a far, far bigger problem in this country than the fact that many people actually feel aggrieved.

Even more so when the sense of feeling aggrieved actively hurts attempts to improve this country. For example, there's a real problem with race and bigotry and running on a platform of being aggrieved doesn't help, while actually making things worse.

I'd hope in a post-Trump world this would get better. Only a few pages into this thread and that appears not to be the case--the vast majority of anti-Biden comments are already drenched in being aggrieved.
 

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Sources tell CNN's MJ Lee that Joe Biden is inheriting a non-existent vaccination plan from the Trump administration. A source says that Biden's team is essentially starting from "square one" because there simply was no plan to the greatest crisis in U.S.

(Me, acting completely shocked)

Goodness! I had no idea! for you see, I have been on Mars for the last 4 years, in a cave, with my eyes shut and my fingers in my ears.
 

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Hopefully, they purge the libertarians first.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnBrennan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JohnBrennan</a>: Biden intel community “are moving in laser-like fashion to try to uncover as much as they can about” the pro-Trump “insurgency” that harbors “religious extremists, authoritarians, fascists, bigots, racists, nativists, even libertarians” <a href="https://t.co/SjVXWhPhR8">pic.twitter.com/SjVXWhPhR8</a></p>— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) <a href="https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1352007118392582148?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Eight People Arrested Following Damage of Private Property in Southeast Portland - Police Restore Order (Photo) (Jan 20, Portland Police Bureau)
- noted in Fox News article. Names are listed. Oregon media usually either posts their names or their booking photos.
It was good to see Biden's stormtroopers out there maintaining order against the anti-fascists. I'm curious which fascists they are protesting? The Governor? The President?

Also- we're back to protestor vice rioters and insurrection.
EsQOB_zXMCYDuwD
 
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White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki says she plans to hold daily White House briefings Monday through Friday.

Since that's, like, actually the job.
 

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White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki says she plans to hold daily White House briefings Monday through Friday.

Since that's, like, actually the job.

I noticed that the WH correspondents took a break from fawning over Joe Biden on tweeter to ask her hardball questions about paint colors and clothing designers on the first day Joe Biden cut jobs by EO. What I didn't see was her super cool hat.

EqxM4UEXIAAl7lP
 

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Biden's campaign is irrelevant, just like every other politician. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I personally like that he left Bernie Sanders out to dry on the Secretary of Labor position. I am in favor of that.

But the litmus test will be when something left of his natural middle left position comes for him to sign. Will he do it? Will he put pressure to avoid a hard turn left? It will be interesting to see. The conservatives are a mess, largely because Trump and others took a hard turn right. Would Biden risk the same? We'll see.

100%, the policy points I do remember from his campaign was that he went back against the Green New Deal, doesn't care for M4A, and wants to work with Republican's. I just can't see how any of that is ultra left or far left as some would like to believe. Furthermore, the Joe Manchins and Dianne Feinsteins of the Senate will likely poo-poo anything that smells of something that is progressive.

Mostly seems like a smokescreen to call things ultra far left to cover up their transphobia or anti-LGBTQ ideals.
 

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Hopefully, they purge the libertarians first.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnBrennan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JohnBrennan</a>: Biden intel community “are moving in laser-like fashion to try to uncover as much as they can about” the pro-Trump “insurgency” that harbors “religious extremists, authoritarians, fascists, bigots, racists, nativists, even libertarians” <a href="https://t.co/SjVXWhPhR8">pic.twitter.com/SjVXWhPhR8</a></p>— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) <a href="https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1352007118392582148?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


It was good to see Biden's stormtroopers out there maintaining order against the anti-fascists. I'm curious which fascists they are protesting? The Governor? The President?

Also- we're back to protestor vice rioters and insurrection.
EsQOB_zXMCYDuwD

Whoa whoa whoa. Most Libertarians I know, real Libertarians not these nut jobs that claim it because they like 2A were against Jan 6th.
 

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Whoa whoa whoa. Most Libertarians I know, real Libertarians not these nut jobs that claim it because they like 2A were against Jan 6th.

Doesn't matter. Most people were against what we saw Jan 6th and even the majority of the GOP condemned the violence (consistency).

100%, the policy points I do remember from his campaign was that he went back against the Green New Deal, doesn't care for M4A, and wants to work with Republican's. I just can't see how any of that is ultra left or far left as some would like to believe. Furthermore, the Joe Manchins and Dianne Feinsteins of the Senate will likely poo-poo anything that smells of something that is progressive.

Mostly seems like a smokescreen to call things ultra far left to cover up their transphobia or anti-LGBTQ ideals.
Vast majority of people campaign on working with the other side. His anti-2A platform is by far the most aggressive in history. Remember, we didn't deserve to know where he stood on court-packing. His spending plan is insane on every Democratic priority issue and he never qualified how he would pay for trillions on education, climate stuff, infrastructure, housing, medicare for all, and of course we haven't seen where they are going on the filibuster, Senator packing with DC statehood, and other insanity. Comparing it to Warren's proposed 30 trillion tax hike may make it seem moderate to those clinging to hopes for socialism and gimme-dat values, but it's still an insane spending proposal he has ran on.

Yes, Joe Manchin is my only hope and I will pray for his sanity and well-being every day during this nightmare. He's about the only good one left.
 
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Took Biden ~24 hours to pass some dumb policy -- https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...sis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

If read correctly, this would force schools to allow dudes to compete against women in sports. This was already happening at the high school level in many states with expected results.

It goes without saying why this is stupid. A ton of mediocre male HS basketball players could literally be generational "women's" players by identifying that way. My HS winter track times would currently be the women's NCAA records in the 200m and 60m dash. Etc. etc. If you're going to pass legislation like this, then you should just get rid of gender divisions in sports altogether because the entire reason they exist are the biological differences between males and females.
 

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Took Biden ~24 hours to pass some dumb policy -- https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...sis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

If read correctly, this would force schools to allow dudes to compete against women in sports. This was already happening at the high school level in many states with expected results.

It goes without saying why this is stupid. A ton of mediocre male HS basketball players could literally be generational "women's" players by identifying that way. My HS winter track times would currently be the women's NCAA records in the 200m and 60m dash. Etc. etc. If you're going to pass legislation like this, then you should just get rid of gender divisions in sports altogether because the entire reason they exist are the biological differences between males and females.

All either party has to do is just not be batshit crazy to win every election easily, and neither can do it.
 
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