BCS Rankings: 2012

[Seanthornton]

just throwing this out there;

does anyone think if we didnt have the nbc contract, and espn had a deal to broadcast our games that we would be ranked #1 or #2 right now?
my hunch is we would be #1 or #2 which begs the question has this nbc deal been more trouble than its worth? i for one have no use for pretty much every announcer the have had doing the games since we signed on with nbc and every damn game is on tv right now. have we ever "opened up" the bidding for our games to espn? cbs? fox? or did the eversol connection pretty much make it an autorenewal every yr?

independence: yes!
keeping nbc deal: i could care less

Sorry....... I don't buy that BS !!! They were talking about this on Mike and Mike ...This is irrelevant. Not a reason we are not #1 or #2.



KEEP THE FAITH !!!

GO !!! IRISH !!! GO !!!

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Wasn't it like 2.9% or so two weeks ago, and something like 7.6% going into last week? Point is that while it's still only about a 1 in 4 chance, the odds have gone up considerably the past couple weeks.

The 2.9% and 7.6% were that all four teams would go undefeated. Bama lost.

 

[ND NYC]

Sorry....... I don't buy that BS !!! They were talking about this on Mike and Mike ...This is irrelevant. Not a reason we are not #1 or #2.



KEEP THE FAITH !!!

GO !!! IRISH !!! GO !!!

"BAR TOWEL!"

 

[TheChosen1]

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[KPENN]

Right now i'm neither worried, pissed, or any emotion really. Take care of business and beat Wake and U$C then i will be.

 

[Redbar]

The reason I disagree with that is we didn't give any voters a reason to reconsider their rankings. We simply validated the notion that ND is by overrated under-performing against two inferior opponents in the business end of the season (plus Purdue early, and BYU as well).

K-State were not that impressive against TCU. We had a chance to plant a seed in voters' minds with a dominant win against BC. We failed to take the opportunity. Regardless, most of the damage was done against Pitt. If we had followed up the big win in Norman with two outstanding performances, people would be talking about us as a dominant team who can compete with anyone, and who will blow out inferior opponents. Instead, we've given the haters/doubters fuel to talk us down and -- most importantly -- vote us down.

I'm not going to get into an argument with you over this, since you continue to be so adamant over the "style point" argument. And that's fine. I respect your opinion. But this is how I view it:

There is no downside to blowing people out. It can only help you. The only upside to squeaking by lesser opponents is the W on the board. When you are being compared to other teams who also only have W's, everything is subjective and open to interpretation. K-State have hardly been challenged except against Oklahoma and Iowa State. We have been challenged multiple times against weak teams. If you don't think that factors into the perception of the two teams, then I don't know what else to tell you.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, screw style points, not getting caught up in that. In my opinion any coach that runs it up against an inferior opponent, is a prick and shouldn't be leading young men. If we get an insurmountable lead against Wake, I wanna see the seniors who have been a part of this team, but haven't gotten a lot of PT, I wanna see Cam give Theo and Cierre a break, let some young guys see the field, if you still keep scoring...oh well, but trying to hang 60 or 70 on an outclassed opponent is for people like Lane and people who deal with Willie Lyles. All it really says is you had no business scheduling them and you are a prick./ end rant.

 

[stlnd01]

In my opinion any coach that runs it up against an inferior opponent, is a prick and shouldn't be leading young men. If we get an insurmountable lead against Wake, I wanna see the seniors who have been a part of this team, but haven't gotten a lot of PT, I wanna see Cam give Theo and Cierre a break, let some young guys see the field, if you still keep scoring...oh well, but trying to hang 60 or 70 on an outclassed opponent is for people like Lane and people who deal with Willie Lyles. All it really says is you had no business scheduling them and you are a prick./ end rant.

There's a difference between running it up against FCS and minor-conference schools and defeating quality, BCS conference opponents by a comfortable margin. I don't really think the voters give K-State "credit" for beating Missouri State 51-9, or Oregon for whaling on Tennessee Tech so much as they ding us for needing heroics to beat middling teams like Purdue and Pittsburgh - while K State and Oregon beat almost everyone in their highly-regarded conferences by two or more scores.
Yes, a win's a win, and it's always better than a loss. But we're kind of deluding ourselves if we don't acknowledge that part of the reason we're #3 is that we've won more games ugly than the other two.

 

[Rocky2820]

I think it's too late in the season for style points to make any difference in terms of ND's ranking. Voters' minds are made up at this point that ND is #3, and I don't think there's anything ND can do to change that opinion over the remaining two games. We now need one of the two teams in front of us to lose. If there was a style point "opportunity," it's likely gone.

 

[EifertPower]

I think it's too late in the season for style points to make any difference in terms of ND's ranking. Voters' minds are made up at this point that ND is #3, and I don't think there's anything ND can do to change that opinion over the remaining two games. We now need one of the two teams in front of us to lose. If there was a style point "opportunity," it's likely gone.

Yes and No. It's too late for style points, I agree. But it's not too late to make up ground. Some coaches have us below #3 in their polls. That needs to and can change. I'd love to know how many coaches voted us #4, how many voted us #5, and how many voted us #6 and who were the teams that they voted #3, #4, etc. If we can just move up in those voters' eyes to #3 and keep our computer rankings high, while Kansas State maybe can suffer a bit in the computer rankings then we still have a chance.

Also, if the teams ranked by coaches ahead of us can lose then we'd also move up to #3.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Yes and No. It's too late for style points, I agree. But it's not too late to make up ground. Some coaches have us below #3 in their polls. That needs to and can change. I'd love to know how many coaches voted us #4, how many voted us #5, and how many voted us #6 and who were the teams that they voted #3, #4, etc. If we can just move up in those voters' eyes to #3 and keep our computer rankings high, while Kansas State maybe can suffer a bit in the computer rankings then we still have a chance.

Also, if the teams ranked by coaches ahead of us can lose then we'd also move up to #3.

What you're failing to mention or realize is how much complete B.S. this is that coaches/secretaries/assistants/whoever have a vote that carries so much weight. ND and KSU are tied for the #1 spot in the computer polls. How in God's name does it make sense for anyone to be voting ND lower than 3rd is beyond me and reeks of biased haters who are voting w/ their own agendas in mind.

 

[Fbolt]

I think everyone here realizes that the BCS, in particular the human polls, are f-ed up. Not only do some coaches have others complete them, but that the coach cannot possibly watch all the games for a full eval. Further, there is no standardizing on what in particular they should eval each team on. Yes, I think we all get that.

 

[connor_in]

They played like a three minute Golic making his case for ND being one or two and in the national championship game based on the same facts we have been throwing around here. Was on about 745 am today. Can anyone get the video? FYI it was a pre recorded piece as he is not on the show today.

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[MaynardVideo]

A good way to shut people down at the bar if they want to run their mouth. It has worked out pretty well for me over the last couple weeks. I'm not the type of person to let people just trash on things that I care about to my face.

"Here's the truth had ND lost only once this year to any of these opponents.

Had Stanford beat ND, they'd be #7 right now at 9-1. They didn't, but people would tout they beat a great defense if they did.

Had Oklahoma beat ND, they'd be #5 at 8-1 because their offense beat a stout ND defense and only lost by 5 to KSU. They didn't.

Had Michigan beat ND, they'd be somewhere between #11-13 at 8-2 - only having losses to conference leaders.

Notre Dame has beat 5 Top 20 defenses this year. Notre Dame has beat 4 ranked opponents, and could possibly beat 5. Notre Dame is the #1 scoring defense in the country. Notre Dame played 0 FCS schools. Notre Dame's schedule is "softer" than it looked at the start simply because they won. Somehow, still having the #6 hardest schedule according to the Congrove means nothing, right? The computer MUST be wrong, and the 'analysts' on ESPN that you regurgitate your opinion-based information from must be right. Back up your position with factual information as to why other teams would beat them, aside from saying ND has barely won games or 'handed' wins by the losing team's conference officials and should have a couple losses. Please, enlighten me or have you been making out with Mark May, Colin Cowherd, and Rick Reilly again?"

 

[MaynardVideo]

They played like a three minute Golic making his case for ND being one or two and in the national championship game based on the same facts we have been throwing around here. Was on about 745 am today. Can anyone get the video? FYI it was a pre recorded piece as he is not on the show today.

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I saw this, too. I'm pretty good at getting Mike and Mike audio. I'll see what I can do.

Edit: It will probably be on the "Best of Mike and Mike" later today, since he has to be shown on his own shows when he makes an appearance and that was his lone appearance. I'll try to tape it if I remember.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Rooting for undefeated Notre Dame - Grantland

Does any person smart enough to spoon his own oatmeal really believe that the powers that be in the BCS would set up Oregon and Kansas State if Notre Dame–Anybody were a live option? The game is still going to be televised, right? And what's that, you say? Maybe Oregon would get hosed? Yes, and maybe Phil Knight will join the Carthusians. There is a reason why nobody messes with Nike, and it's roughly the same reason that people don't play mumblety-peg with tactical nuclear weapons. Nope, sorry, in that scenario, it's Kansas State that doesn't have a chair when the music stops. Sucks to be you there, Bugtussle.

 

[ARALOU]

A good way to shut people down at the bar if they want to run their mouth. It has worked out pretty well for me over the last couple weeks. I'm not the type of person to let people just trash on things that I care about to my face.

"Here's the truth had ND lost only once this year to any of these opponents.

Had Stanford beat ND, they'd be #7 right now at 9-1. They didn't, but people would tout they beat a great defense if they did.

Had Oklahoma beat ND, they'd be #5 at 8-1 because their offense beat a stout ND defense and only lost by 5 to KSU. They didn't.

Had Michigan beat ND, they'd be somewhere between #11-13 at 8-2 - only having losses to conference leaders.

Notre Dame has beat 5 Top 20 defenses this year. Notre Dame has beat 4 ranked opponents, and could possibly beat 5. Notre Dame is the #1 scoring defense in the country. Notre Dame played 0 FCS schools. Notre Dame's schedule is "softer" than it looked at the start simply because they won. Somehow, still having the #6 hardest schedule according to the Congrove means nothing, right? The computer MUST be wrong, and the












'analysts' on ESPN that you regurgitate your opinion-based information from must be right. Back up your position with factual information as to why other teams would beat them, aside from saying ND has barely won games or 'handed' wins by the losing team's conference officials and should have a couple losses. Please, enlighten me or have you been making out with Mark May, Colin Cowherd, and Rick Reilly again?"

Not bad. Not bad at all.

 

[RDU Irish]

A good way to shut people down at the bar if they want to run their mouth. It has worked out pretty well for me over the last couple weeks. I'm not the type of person to let people just trash on things that I care about to my face.

"Here's the truth had ND lost only once this year to any of these opponents.

Had Stanford beat ND, they'd be #7 right now at 9-1. They didn't, but people would tout they beat a great defense if they did.

Had Oklahoma beat ND, they'd be #5 at 8-1 because their offense beat a stout ND defense and only lost by 5 to KSU. They didn't.

Had Michigan beat ND, they'd be somewhere between #11-13 at 8-2 - only having losses to conference leaders.

Notre Dame has beat 5 Top 20 defenses this year. Notre Dame has beat 4 ranked opponents, and could possibly beat 5. Notre Dame is the #1 scoring defense in the country. Notre Dame played 0 FCS schools. Notre Dame's schedule is "softer" than it looked at the start simply because they won. Somehow, still having the #6 hardest schedule according to the Congrove means nothing, right? The computer MUST be wrong, and the 'analysts' on ESPN that you regurgitate your opinion-based information from must be right. Back up your position with factual information as to why other teams would beat them, aside from saying ND has barely won games or 'handed' wins by the losing team's conference officials and should have a couple losses. Please, enlighten me or have you been making out with Mark May, Colin Cowherd, and Rick Reilly again?"

Great post, keep 'em coming!

 

[Riddickulous]

While people mock us for playing Wake Forest this week, five of the six SEC teams in the AP Top 10 play FCS schools on Saturday. Five. It's week 12. Gimme a break.

 

[woolybug25]

BK on Sirius:

"I'm just not good enough to be able to do both," Kelly said of campaigning and coaching. "I'm challenged enough on a day-to-day basis to keep my guys focused on Wake Forest. The rest of the stuff, let's see how Notre Dame does. Let's take Wake Forest, see what happens there, and then USC. Then, if we get to the point after USC that we're undefeated, I'll go on 'Oprah' if I have to. Maybe I'll come back on Sirius.

"But for right now, quite honestly, I'm just going to worry about winning football games."

 

[gkIrish]

BK on Sirius:

Good for BK. He realizes either/both KState and Oregon will lose. And if they don't, he is going to start making phone calls.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Rooting for undefeated Notre Dame - Grantland

Nothing about that hack piece helps us in any way, particularly Pierce's baseless assertion that voters would suddenly conspire against an undefeated KSU to send ND to the title game instead.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Nothing about that hack piece helps us in any way, particularly Pierce's baseless conspiracy theory that voters would suddenly conspire against an undefeated KSU to send ND to the title game instead.

I know. He doesn't understand that actual coaches and voters vote for the top 2 teams, not some BCS fat cats who want the ratings.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

This is an excellent thread. A lot of posters making a lot of good points.

Keep it up. I love reading this stuff throughout the work day.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

From Mandel with comments from Swarbrick, who believes not being in a conference is hurting us.

Notre Dame's independence could hurt its BCS title chances - Stewart Mandel - SI.com

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Irish have legit argument for BCS title game, so why does no one want to hear it? - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com News, Scores, Stats, Schedule and BCS Rankings

• In the best comparison -- common opponents -- Notre Dame wins. The Irish were slightly better than Kansas State against Miami (Fla.) and Oklahoma. Notre Dame beat Miami by 38 on a neutral field. K-State beat Miami in Manhattan by 39. Both schools won at Oklahoma -- Notre Dame by 17, K-State by five. The Sooners were ranked in the top 10 at the time they played both schools.

Notre Dame beat Miami and Oklahoma by a combined 71-16. K-State won by a combined 76-32. Notre Dame gained 983 yards in those games and allowed 664. K-State: 860 gained, 648 allowed. Let's be charitable and call it a push. Notre Dame is even with Kansas State through 20 percent of their schedules to date.

• Heisman candidates. Once again, it's even. Manti Teo on one side of the ball for the Irish, Klein on the other for the Wildcats.

• Coach of the year candidates. It's hard to elevate anyone above Brian Kelly and Bill Snyder. Kelly, an offensive/quarterback guru, has had to reinvent himself with a team heavy on defense while breaking in a new quarterback.

Snyder, what else can you say? At 73, he remains the smartest guy in the room -- and on the field. Twenty-five junior college players and a former backup receiver/special teams player (Klein) have congealed to make a championship run.

• Defense vs. offense. Notre Dame leads the country in fewest points allowed, 11.1. Since 2001, only seven teams have allowed fewer points per game. Kansas State has been just as impressive on offense averaging 42.2 (eighth nationally).

Notre Dame has won five of its games by a touchdown or fewer. K-State has won five of its games by 14 or less.

Notre Dame has allowed nine touchdowns all season, none in consecutive games to Michigan, Michigan State and Miami. The Wildcats allowed three in one game to North Texas.

Ninety-three times Notre Dame opponents have started a drive inside their 41. Only one of those has resulted in a touchdown. Technically, Navy's 75-yard drive to start the second half in the season opener shouldn't count since it happened outside the country in Dublin.

Kansas State has scored 53 touchdowns, 31 of them accounted for by the great Klein. Notre Dame has 30 touchdowns for the season and has frequently had to be bailed out by backup quarterback Tommy Rees.

• Schedule strength. At the beginning, this was one of Notre Dame's toughest schedules in history. It can't help that Michigan State and Miami have been disappointments. I'll take Pittsburgh, Boston College and Wake Forest on Notre Dame's schedule and match them with Missouri State, North Texas and Kansas on Kansas State's.

At least, the Irish didn't play an FCS school.

Kansas State won big road games at West Virginia and Oklahoma. Notre Dame beat Stanford and Oklahoma.

For now we'll let Jeff Sagarin settle it. His computer is one of six used by the BCS. This week he has the Irish ranked first. Kansas State is second. Schedule strength: Notre Dame, 28th; K-State, 29th.

Another push.

The schedule down the stretch for both teams is, once again, about even. Wake Forest (ranked No. 69 in the BCS) and USC (18th) for Notre Dame. Baylor (No. 57) and Texas (15th) for Kansas State.

At this stage eight years ago -- the only other time we had three unbeatens in the BCS era -- Auburn was a mere .0031 behind No. 2 Oklahoma. Oklahoma State missed out on a national championship berth by .0086 last year.

It doesn't look good for Notre Dame with that current .0101 deficit. In one sense, that's the width -- in inches -- of a hair on my head. (Right, I have no hair on my head. You get the point.) In another sense, the Irish likely need help, not their own network.

I fear opening my laptop these days. In it, there is no rational thought. In it, looms a football giant with the best of everything -- a national media following, legions of fans so aggressive they are the zombie undead and an affiliation with a supreme being.

Collin Klein and Kansas State cannot be stopped. My Twitter account told me so.

And then after he tweeted this a K State fan tweeted:
@PowercatZac:
@dennisdoddcbs Cause they don't look particularly impressive in their wins compared to what UO and KSU is doing?

Dodd replied with the following:
You mean beating Miami and Oklahoma worse than Kansas St?

You mean not allowing Mich, Mich State and Miami a touchdown in consecutive weeks?

You mean allowing one (1) touchdown from the opponents' 40 this season?

 

[Irish#1]

The "style points don't matter" argument, at least as it pertains to our current situation, is as follows:

1. Since ND is currently ranked 1st, we can only lose ground in the computer rankings. UO and/or KSU will probably pass us as their SoS catches up with ours;
2. Historically, voters have been very reluctant to jump an undefeated major conference team over another without a loss. Since the pollsters didn't rank us ahead of KSU after we stomped OU, there's very little chance they would have done so after blow-outs over Pitt or BC. It's no coincidence that the UO > KSU > ND hierarchy mirrors their order in the preseason rankings as well.

It looks like we're close enough to jump KSU with a couple big wins, but we're really not. The voters aren't going to move us up unless UO or KSU loses.

Unfortunately Whiskey is right. We have to root for one of the two to lose one. But I have good news for you. I told you a couple of weeks ago that Stanford will get Oregon. After this week we will move up to number 2. Then we just need to open that last can of whoop *** on USC.

 

[Riddickulous]

I like this Dodd guy.

 

[woolybug25]

I find it strange that Dodd, of all people, is on our side. This guy has been a consistent ND hater (as late as this preseason) for as long as I can remember.

 

[phork]

I find it strange that Dodd, of all people, is on our side. This guy has been a consistent ND hater (as late as this preseason) for as long as I can remember.

There is room for everyone on the bandwagon!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

You know who's been pissing me off lately? Matt Hinton. In this article, he basically writes the Irish off as unworthy based solely on the Pitt game and the eyeball test (while KSU gets a pass for playing Missouri State and North Texas, and needing a 4th and goal stop to squeek past ISU).

Then he had the gall to RT the following from Dodd:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The laziest term in sports is "eye test".</p>— Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/268801569481424896" data-datetime="2012-11-14T19:44:22+00:00">November 14, 2012</a></blockquote>
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