BCS Rankings: 2012

[West Coast Domer]

After watching Palmer and Pollack I can tell what an SEC degree does...what *******s

 

[phgreek]

Not sure I understand this argument.
Do the teams (i.e. conferences) that play for the title get a larger share of the BCS pie? I may be wrong, but I thought it was evenly split, with conferences that have two BCS participants getting an extra share. That's certainly what this piece seems to say.

The BCS' Big Split - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal | SportsBusiness Daily Global

At this point, we're in a BCS bowl regardless, so we'd get our cut. Who does it help - financially - to keep us out of the title game? SEC looks like it'll get two BCS slots and can't get more than that. I guess Big 12/Pac 12 teams would hope to get a second team in at-large if OU and KSU play for the title? But that's a longshot for the Pac-12. No one else is going to get two. I'm not sure I understand the agenda.

That said, I am flabbergasted how no coaches - aside from Kelly - voted us #1. But there's still a lot of football to be played, by Oregon in particular. Patience.

mmm...I think throughout the year they overvalue their team, and their conference....this results in ND maybe climbing slower, and now being 3 even though they faired better against common opponents shared with Kstate. I guess the point is, the conference bias is there...and it becomes more focused and evident as things crystalize...

Currently...Are you telling me we don't have PAC and Big 12 conference teams voting ND down to make sure ND doesn't overtake Oregon and Kstate? Also, I think The PAC and/or Big 12 could still get 2 teams in.

 

[Dacian_Irish]

This is my first time posting since I started Med school since I haven't had much time for Football. But I have not missed one game, even if it was DVR'd. This ranking thing is pissing me off! We by far have the hardest schedule in the country and we are purposely being left out for the hate some have for us. I say screw the SEC.

How about a BCS rule that you can only qualify for NCG if you play 12 teams in the FBS.

oh and screw Pollack!!!

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Not sure I understand this argument.
Do the teams (i.e. conferences) that play for the title get a larger share of the BCS pie? I may be wrong, but I thought it was evenly split, with conferences that have two BCS participants getting an extra share. That's certainly what this piece seems to say.

The BCS' Big Split - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal | SportsBusiness Daily Global

At this point, we're in a BCS bowl regardless, so we'd get our cut. Who does it help - financially - to keep us out of the title game? SEC looks like it'll get two BCS slots and can't get more than that. I guess Big 12/Pac 12 teams would hope to get a second team in at-large if OU and KSU play for the title? But that's a longshot for the Pac-12. No one else is going to get two. I'm not sure I understand the agenda.

That said, I am flabbergasted how no coaches - aside from Kelly - voted us #1. But there's still a lot of football to be played, by Oregon in particular. Patience.

Also, completely understood, barring a complete meltdown, we'll be in a BCS game. We've earned that. ND will get paid.........one way or the other. My problem is with coaches taking liberties with us because a) we're not conference affiliated...(thank God for that) and b)they are....There in lies the problem. Voter bias/fraud. Who'll stop it? The conferences gain from crapping on an independent as their own teams move up. It's really not that hard to figure out, ST.

ND scheduled up and compiled a winning record against some of the best in the country. Voters are trying to downplay that due to their own bias. That, I have a problem with.

 

[stlnd01]

Also, completely understood, barring a complete meltdown, we'll be in a BCS game. We've earned that. ND will get paid.........one way or the other. My problem is with coaches taking liberties with us because a) we're not conference affiliated...(thank God for that) and b)they are....There in lies the problem. Voter bias/fraud. Who'll stop it? The conferences gain from crapping on an independent as their own teams move up. It's really not that hard to figure out, ST.

ND scheduled up and compiled a winning record against some of the best in the country. Voters are trying to downplay that due to their own bias. That, I have a problem with.

I agree there's some built-in conference biases. You vote for what you know. That said, what does it matter to some coach from the ACC or the Sun Belt who's #2 and who's #3? Also I'd think the teams that play us regularly might also be more inclined to vote in our favor. You think Michigan wouldn't want to host "defending national champion" Notre Dame next fall?
Like I said, what I really don't understand is the financial motivation that keeps getting brought up. Oregon State's loss yesterday makes it very unlikely that the Pac 12 puts two teams in the BCS. (I guess unless Oregon lost in the Pac 12 title game). I suppose Oklahoma is still a good shot to go at-large, but that's probably true whether K-State plays for the title or not.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm just not really seeing the money angle here. Certainly not for most voters.

 

[GreenSox04]

not to sound like mike mayock but.. how cool is this.. to be bitching about the bcs rankings/sec bias/coaches poll cause it has a legitimate effect on us. good to be back in contention.

 

[Rack Em]

I agree there's some built-in conference biases. You vote for what you know. That said, what does it matter to some coach from the ACC or the Sun Belt who's #2 and who's #3? Also I'd think the teams that play us regularly might also be more inclined to vote in our favor. You think Michigan wouldn't want to host "defending national champion" Notre Dame next fall?
Like I said, what I really don't understand is the financial motivation that keeps getting brought up. Oregon State's loss yesterday makes it very unlikely that the Pac 12 puts two teams in the BCS. (I guess unless Oregon lost in the Pac 12 title game). I suppose Oklahoma is still a good shot to go at-large, but that's probably true whether K-State plays for the title or not.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm just not really seeing the money angle here. Certainly not for most voters.

I don't know what the payout is this year, but several years back it was upwards of $13 million for a BCS bowl. Still think coaches from auto-qualifying conferences don't want a piece of that?

HTCI is spot on. These a$$holes will do anything to screw ND over because 1) we're independent, have a TV contract, and a national brand (and they don't) and 2) they want the $2 million payout (or so) they get by having 2 BCS teams.

 

[gkautz10]

Had this argument with a few of my buddies.
Not complaining because of last 2 weeks, complaining over the course of the season. Oregon has put up their numbers against ark st, Fresno st, Tennessee tech, Washington st, Colorado and cal. those teams all are either FCS teams or they suck terribly. ND has done what they have done against a schedule with all FBS opponents and only 3 of them have a losing record. Oregon has very skewed stats. The common opponent that will likely determine it is USC. I will almost guarantee that ND will not give up 51 points against them. Oregon is smoke and mirrors and fooling everyone with a "powerful" offense against awful opponents. Oregon's opponents WP is less than 500. The numbers just don't match up. Nd is getting screwed by the human polls. Yes the same ones that people say ND is always overrated in.

I prefaced this by saying that previously I have not had a strong opinion on the BCS system, in large part because it hadn't effected ND yet. Does anyone else agree with me? These guys are ND fans and are tending to disagree with me on the facts about Oregon. I'm not saying I think we could beat them or anything, just simply stating that I feel ND has a legitimate gripe for being ranked behind them.

 

[PraetorianND]

Had this argument with a few of my buddies.
Not complaining because of last 2 weeks, complaining over the course of the season. Oregon has put up their numbers against ark st, Fresno st, Tennessee tech, Washington st, Colorado and cal. those teams all are either FCS teams or they suck terribly. ND has done what they have done against a schedule with all FBS opponents and only 3 of them have a losing record. Oregon has very skewed stats. The common opponent that will likely determine it is USC. I will almost guarantee that ND will not give up 51 points against them. Oregon is smoke and mirrors and fooling everyone with a "powerful" offense against awful opponents. Oregon's opponents WP is less than 500. The numbers just don't match up. Nd is getting screwed by the human polls. Yes the same ones that people say ND is always overrated in.

I prefaced this by saying that previously I have not had a strong opinion on the BCS system, in large part because it hadn't effected ND yet. Does anyone else agree with me? These guys are ND fans and are tending to disagree with me on the facts about Oregon. I'm not saying I think we could beat them or anything, just simply stating that I feel ND has a legitimate gripe for being ranked behind them.

Had we been preseason overrated like we normally are it would have helped us.

 

[EifertPower]

who would've thought the 4th quarter meltdown against Florida State last year could come back to haunt us this year?

If we had won that game we would've been ranked ahead of Kansas State to start the season and that would've made a huge difference the way college football works.

 

[Wizzle32]

Georgia lost its only game *on the road* at South Carolina. Florida lost its only game *on the road* at Georgia. Florida St lost its only game *on the road* at NC State. Bama lost at home…late in the season. For other teams that would be a death knoll for BCS hopes. Oklahoma as #8 lost at home to #5 ND and tumbled 6 spots to 14…that’s right. They fell 6 spots after losing to a higher ranked opponent at home. Bama loses at home to a lower ranked opponent and drops only 3? The brand bias is sickening and perverses the sport.

Best example of bias. Oklahoma with 2 losses, to the #2 and #3 teams in the polls, is ranked behind 3 SEC teams with 2 losses, some of the SEC losses were to unranked opponents. Go figure

I thought the mentality was that an early loss was better than a late loss. Elite teams aren’t supposed to lose late…hmmmm I guess that’s why 7 SEC teams played FCS opponents this week.

 

[NDTH91]

Georgia lost its only game *on the road* at South Carolina. Florida lost its only game *on the road* at Georgia. Florida St lost its only game *on the road* at NC State. Bama lost at home…late in the season. For other teams that would be a death knoll for BCS hopes. Oklahoma as #8 lost at home to #5 ND and tumbled 6 spots to 14…that’s right. They fell 6 spots after losing to a higher ranked opponent at home. Bama loses at home to a lower ranked opponent and drops only 3? The brand bias is sickening and perverses the sport.

Best example of bias. Oklahoma with 2 losses, to the #2 and #3 teams in the polls, is ranked behind 3 SEC teams with 2 losses, some of the SEC losses were to unranked opponents. Go figure

I thought the mentality was that an early loss was better than a late loss. Elite teams aren’t supposed to lose late…hmmmm I guess that’s why 7 SEC teams played FCS opponents this week.

Amen, brotha.

Looking at the schedules for BCS teams #4-#9 (yeah, all 6 are SEC teams) is just sickening. Each team has 2-3 legitimate games the whole year and every one of them has dropped at least 1 of those, and 3 of the 6 have dropped two of those. Hmmm...

Mississippi St. played NO ONE for the first 7 games of the season (4 FCS or non-AQ opponents along with Tennessee, Kentucky, and Auburn [combined record of 7-23 ... 0-20 in SEC play]) and cruised its way to the #11 spot before playing 3 decent teams in Alabama, Texas A&M, and LSU and all three of those teams get praise for beating a ranked Miss. St. team.

I never really realized it before, and I'm not sure if it's more apparent than ever or if I'm just paying more attention, but it's absolutely disgusting. I would love to see ANY SEC team play our schedule. I'm not saying that that they aren't good, but to have them at #4-#9 is outright ridiculous. Someone has to put a stop to this...

 

[Redbar]

The $EC has sold their brand very effectively and everyone is searching for the mythical "best" team whether they deserve it or not.

 

[kmoose]

Had this argument with a few of my buddies.
Not complaining because of last 2 weeks, complaining over the course of the season. Oregon has put up their numbers against ark st, Fresno st, Tennessee tech, Washington st, Colorado and cal. those teams all are either FCS teams or they suck terribly. ND has done what they have done against a schedule with all FBS opponents and only 3 of them have a losing record. Oregon has very skewed stats. The common opponent that will likely determine it is USC. I will almost guarantee that ND will not give up 51 points against them. Oregon is smoke and mirrors and fooling everyone with a "powerful" offense against awful opponents. Oregon's opponents WP is less than 500. The numbers just don't match up. Nd is getting screwed by the human polls. Yes the same ones that people say ND is always overrated in.

I prefaced this by saying that previously I have not had a strong opinion on the BCS system, in large part because it hadn't effected ND yet. Does anyone else agree with me? These guys are ND fans and are tending to disagree with me on the facts about Oregon. I'm not saying I think we could beat them or anything, just simply stating that I feel ND has a legitimate gripe for being ranked behind them.

ND has a legitimate gripe about not being ranked in the Top 2. However, comma......... K State and Oregon both have legitimate arguments for being ranked 1 and 2. It all comes down to perspective; if your team is blowing others out, then MOV means more than SOS. If your team is beating good solid teams, but not by large margins, then SOS means more than MOV. It's just human nature.

 

[Wizzle32]

Amen, brotha.

Looking at the schedules for BCS teams #4-#9 (yeah, all 6 are SEC teams) is just sickening. Each team has 2-3 legitimate games the whole year and every one of them has dropped at least 1 of those, and 3 of the 6 have dropped two of those. Hmmm...

Mississippi St. played NO ONE for the first 7 games of the season (4 FCS or non-AQ opponents along with Tennessee, Kentucky, and Auburn [combined record of 7-23 ... 0-20 in SEC play]) and cruised its way to the #11 spot before playing 3 decent teams in Alabama, Texas A&M, and LSU and all three of those teams get praise for beating a ranked Miss. St. team.

I never really realized it before, and I'm not sure if it's more apparent than ever or if I'm just paying more attention, but it's absolutely disgusting. I would love to see ANY SEC team play our schedule. I'm not saying that that they aren't good, but to have them at #4-#9 is outright ridiculous. Someone has to put a stop to this...

I feel ya bro..How is it that if a team wins with great D and conservative offense in the SEC, it is a sign of strength, but if ND does that it is a sign of weakness? What STYLE POINT victories have Bama, LSU, UGA and Florida been posting this year?

btw Florida looked amazing against Louisiana-Lafayette. The cupcake was a real challenge for them but their special teams really stepped up for their terrible offense and defense. I personally cant believe they chose such a difficult nonconference game.

 

[GoldenBoy3]

ND will play for the national championship if they win out, it's just a gut feeling. I think one of the other two lose.

I agree that as long as ND wins these last 2 games that we will play for the NC. I cant predict if it will be KSU versus Texas or Oregon against Oregon State, Stanford or UCLA/USC but I believe one if not both lose one of their remaining games. I dont care what any SEC team does. Look at the computer spread theres no way they make up that ground. On top of that ND would still remain #1 in the computers and they would jump to at least #2 in the human polls as well

 

[GoldenBoy3]

Oregon or Kansas State WILL LOSE.

BELIEVE

*and

 

[johnnykillz]

*and

I concur.

It's gotta happen.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I feel ya bro..How is it that if a team wins with great D and conservative offense in the SEC, it is a sign of strength, but if ND does that it is a sign of weakness? What STYLE POINT victories have Bama, LSU, UGA and Florida been posting this year?

btw Florida looked amazing against Louisiana-Lafayette. The cupcake was a real challenge for them but their special teams really stepped up for their terrible offense and defense. I personally cant believe they chose such a difficult nonconference game.

You joke about this, but on Sirius XM's college radio station yesterday, I heard multiple people say how Lou-Laf is a much better team than people give them credit for. SEC people actually believe that Lou-Laf is a good team and that makes UF a great team for beating them.

This got brought up via a phone interview with an ND fan. The fan called in to say the media needs to start comparing apples to apples. If they're going to hate on ND for barely squeaking by Pitt, then they need to be all over UF for barely beating Lou-Laf....and that's when the radio host tried to say Lou-Laf is a really good football team.

This is a huge problem, because the voters' beliefs fall in line with this host's. There is a huge bias towards the SEC and it's complete nonsense. There have been a lot of good posts already so I'm not going to repeat what others have already said. But they're exactly right. This SEC-entitlement and favoritism has gotten out of hand.

 

[GowerND11]

I knew when they took SOS out of the BCS formula that it was a terrible idea. Figures it would get taken out too when you think about it. It is logical, therefore it doesn't belong in the BCS discussion.

Also, am I the only person that believes you should have to play in your conference championship in order to recieve an at-large bid? (Assuming there is a conference championship in said conference)

 

[RDU Irish]

Bama at #4 is f-tarded.

No matter who is in the championship the SEC will whine that any of their top 6 could would have won vs the victor. Then STFU and put them on your schedule!!!

Look at the weak sauce in the SEC this week, they all have non-conference games against FCS or barely FBS opponents? They should all drop a spot or two just for scheduling that crap. Why do other conferences vote them up when they are battling this week and the SEC has cupcakes to heal up for the final game or two of the season?

Poll voters have so much confirmation bias in their selections it isn't even funny. SEC teams could all finish 4-4 in conference and still own the top 15 b/c voters are dumb.


Go Beavers and Tree. Quite the conundrum there.

 

[ND NYC]

all stoops had to do was beat KSU at home this yr

my feeling is that there is "magic" in the air this year. my feeling was confirmed when pitt missed the 33yarder in OT.

everything will work out in the end

 

[dublinirish]

would love to see Oregon get beat then ND can take it to KSU in the BCS game and Oregon can whoop on Alabama in the Fiesta or Sugar Bowl

 

[ab2cmiller]

A couple of weeks ago I posted that I thought Oklahoma St. had the best chance of knocking off KState if they could avoid the turnovers.

Unfortunately Oklahoma St. had a -5 turnover margin in that game including a pick six. In addition they gave up a KO return for a TD and still only lost by 14.

KState continues to rely on turnovers (1st in Turnover Margin) and special teams (near the top in KO and Punt returns).

In their 3 biggest games KState had a turnover margin of +3 against Oklahoma, +3 against Texas Tech and +5 against Ok St.

Before last weeks game, Kansas State had officially ranked first or tied for first in FBS in penalties per game, turnover margin, points off turnovers and average starting field position.

I am not convinced that Texas is a real threat to KState, but if they can tie or win the turnover battle, then they at least have a shot. The good news is Texas is in the top 20 nationally in turnover margin with a +8.

 

[RDU Irish]

would love to see Oregon get beat then ND can take it to KSU in the BCS game and Oregon can whoop on Alabama in the Fiesta or Sugar Bowl

Oregon would be in the Rose Bowl to beat up on a crappy Big 1G team, assuming they win the Pac 12 Championship after losing to Stanford or OSU to finish the season.

 

[ickythump1225]

You joke about this, but on Sirius XM's college radio station yesterday, I heard multiple people say how Lou-Laf is a much better team than people give them credit for. SEC people actually believe that Lou-Laf is a good team and that makes UF a great team for beating them.

This got brought up via a phone interview with an ND fan. The fan called in to say the media needs to start comparing apples to apples. If they're going to hate on ND for barely squeaking by Pitt, then they need to be all over UF for barely beating Lou-Laf....and that's when the radio host tried to say Lou-Laf is a really good football team.

This is a huge problem, because the voters' beliefs fall in line with this host's. There is a huge bias towards the SEC and it's complete nonsense. There have been a lot of good posts already so I'm not going to repeat what others have already said. But they're exactly right. This SEC-entitlement and favoritism has gotten out of hand.

I unfortunately have to live in SEC land for the time being. There are so many blind SEC homers at work that I lose respect for people when I start talking sports with them. These people legitimately, in their heart of hearts, believe that the cellar dwellers of the SEC would be powerhouses in other conferences. I have, with some regularity, heard it said that Kentucky, Vandy, Tennessee, etc. would all win the other conferences and that the only reason they aren't good now is because they play in the "brutal" SEC.

I also hear that if Notre Dame, KSU, Oregon, etc. played in the SEC they'd finish in the bottom half of the conference. No fans are more delusional than UGA fans though. They really think their team has played a tough schedule and they really think they should be the #1 team in the country, or at least #2 behind Alabama of course. UGA fans are already borderline insufferable...god forbid they ever actually win anything and I'd probably have to move to another state.

 

[eNDzone]

I unfortunately have to live in SEC land for the time being. There are so many blind SEC homers at work that I lose respect for people when I start talking sports with them. These people legitimately, in their heart of hearts, believe that the cellar dwellers of the SEC would be powerhouses in other conferences. I have, with some regularity, heard it said that Kentucky, Vandy, Tennessee, etc. would all win the other conferences and that the only reason they aren't good now is because they play in the "brutal" SEC.

I also hear that if Notre Dame, KSU, Oregon, etc. played in the SEC they'd finish in the bottom half of the conference. No fans are more delusional than UGA fans though. They really think their team has played a tough schedule and they really think they should be the #1 team in the country, or at least #2 behind Alabama of course. UGA fans are already borderline insufferable...god forbid they ever actually win anything and I'd probably have to move to another state.

Those same SEC fans probably said that about Texas A & M last year. But now that A & M is in the SEC they have become super powers.

 

[PraetorianND]

Bama at #4 is f-tarded.

No matter who is in the championship the SEC will whine that any of their top 6 could would have won vs the victor. Then STFU and put them on your schedule!!!

Look at the weak sauce in the SEC this week, they all have non-conference games against FCS or barely FBS opponents? They should all drop a spot or two just for scheduling that crap. Why do other conferences vote them up when they are battling this week and the SEC has cupcakes to heal up for the final game or two of the season?

Poll voters have so much confirmation bias in their selections it isn't even funny. SEC teams could all finish 4-4 in conference and still own the top 15 b/c voters are dumb.


Go Beavers and Tree. Quite the conundrum there.

Jesus. I just looked at the slate of games coming up for Bama, UGA, and Florida. Embarrassing....


W Carolina
v.
4 Alabama

Georgia South
v.
5 Georgia

Jacksonville St
v.
6 Florida

Sam Houston St
v.
8 Texas A&M

Wofford
v.
9 South Carolina

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

I unfortunately have to live in SEC land for the time being. There are so many blind SEC homers at work that I lose respect for people when I start talking sports with them. These people legitimately, in their heart of hearts, believe that the cellar dwellers of the SEC would be powerhouses in other conferences. I have, with some regularity, heard it said that Kentucky, Vandy, Tennessee, etc. would all win the other conferences and that the only reason they aren't good now is because they play in the "brutal" SEC.

I also hear that if Notre Dame, KSU, Oregon, etc. played in the SEC they'd finish in the bottom half of the conference. No fans are more delusional than UGA fans though. They really think their team has played a tough schedule and they really think they should be the #1 team in the country, or at least #2 behind Alabama of course. UGA fans are already borderline insufferable...god forbid they ever actually win anything and I'd probably have to move to another state.

I've listened to you complain about Georgia fans all year and never really thought anything of it ... I am listening now. After hearing Pollack last night say that anyone in top ten would beat ND, I am listening.

 

[philipm31]

I've listened to you complain about Georgia fans all year and never really thought anything of it ... I am listening now. After hearing Pollack last night say that anyone in top ten would beat ND, I am listening.

In a conference where more than half the teams has a losing record just two weeks ago...right Pollack. You ****ing d-bag. He must still be suffering concussions from his time at UGA.

JEEEZUS. So glad that I did not watch that waste of a show.

BLOW OUT WAKE (20+) and USC (17+) and we can silence the critics when we actually play and defeat 12 FBS teams, something that NO OTHER TEAM in the TOP TEN of the BCS can claim.