BCS Rankings: 2012

[johnnykillz]

Oregon or Kansas State WILL LOSE.

BELIEVE

Nay.

Know this.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Nay.

Know this.

NDOM....Is that you?

 

[EifertPower]

EDIT: Why are people even talking about Oregon falling? If they win out, they will be the undisputed #1 team in the country. They are finishing the season with FOUR STRAIGHT games against ranked opponents, and five in six. It is Kansas State who we should be targeting in the event that all three teams finish unbeaten.

Exactly. I posted this earlier tonight as well. If Oregon isn't going to lose then we want them to be the #1 team in the BCS standings.

I did find the Harris poll results on PollSpeak.com.

My take on the human polls is they won't change much if all three of win out. Voters aren't going to jump one team over another if we all keep winning. The only thing we gain in the Harris poll really is if Ohio State loses and Bama loses again then we will gain 0.0007 combined points from those two writers who had us 4th in voting behind Ohio State and Alabama respectively in their ballots. So, yeah, not much to gain or change there.

The computer polls are based a lot on strength of schedule so that can fluctuate a lot. Oregon with their tough schedule coming up will gain there...will they pass Kansas State is the question? And can we hold our ground with .990. The fact that we remain .990 after playing the worst team on our schedule is encouraging. If we remain at that after Wake Forest and if USC beats UCLA, then there's no reason to believe we would drop there at all.

So the big thing that I want to know is, can we gain in the Coaches Poll. As I said before, one unbeaten wont jump another unbeaten in those polls providing the unbeatens keep winning. What I'm dying to know is how many coaches had us below #3 in their poll. I've heard that some have us at #6. That is absurd.

What I want to know is that if every coach had us at least at #3 (which is the lowest we possibly should be) then what would our BCS point total be?

 

[anarin]

sec bias is sickening

 

[ND NYC]

Exactly. I posted this earlier tonight as well. If Oregon isn't going to lose then we want them to be the #1 team in the BCS standings.

I did find the Harris poll results on PollSpeak.com.

My take on the human polls is they won't change much if all three of win out. Voters aren't going to jump one team over another if we all keep winning. The only thing we gain in the Harris poll really is if Ohio State loses and Bama loses again then we will gain 0.0007 combined points from those two writers who had us 4th in voting behind Ohio State and Alabama respectively in their ballots. So, yeah, not much to gain or change there.

The computer polls are based a lot on strength of schedule so that can fluctuate a lot. Oregon with their tough schedule coming up will gain there...will they pass Kansas State is the question? And can we hold our ground with .990. The fact that we remain .990 after playing the worst team on our schedule is encouraging. If we remain at that after Wake Forest and if USC beats UCLA, then there's no reason to believe we would drop there at all.

So the big thing that I want to know is, can we gain in the Coaches Poll. As I said before, one unbeaten wont jump another unbeaten in those polls providing the unbeatens keep winning. What I'm dying to know is how many coaches had us below #3 in their poll. I've heard that some have us at #6. That is absurd.

What I want to know is that if every coach had us at least at #3 (which is the lowest we possibly should be) then what would our BCS point total be?

very good question....would love to know the answer to this as well

 

[phgreek]

can anyone provide a link to where i can see the full results for the coaches poll and harris poll. I'd like to crunch some numbers but need to know what each coach voted us. thanks

No...but I can tell you we are getting shafted a bit...

Coaches poll:
If everyone voted us 3rd, except BK, we should be at 1359 pts. or .9214.

Harris poll:
If everyone voted us 3rd, except for 1 first place vote (we got one), we should be at 2647 pts or .9207

Computer:
It has us at .990

So if everyone voted us 3rd, being as that should be the worst case scenario fathomable by ANY person with integrity, we'd have a BCS score of .9440 vs our current .9396.

This makes it clear conference coaches are trying to put the screws to us...and that there is some bias in the Harris Poll.

Still in third with my worst case numbers, but much closer...and keep in mind, if folks weren't gaming it we would have a couple more 1s, some 2s, etc. so the others scores would come down. This tells me we would be in a toss up w/ Oregon for second.

 

[RuntheBall]

No...but I can tell you we are getting shafted a bit...

Coaches poll:
If everyone voted us 3rd, except BK, we should be at 1359 pts. or .9214.

Harris poll:
If everyone voted us 3rd, except for 1 first place vote (we got one), we should be at 2647 pts or .9207

Computer:
It has us at .990

So if everyone voted us 3rd, being as that should be the worst case scenario fathomable by ANY person with integrity, we'd have a BCS score of .9440 vs our current .9396.

This makes it clear conference coaches are trying to put the screws to us...and that there is some bias in the Harris Poll.

Still in third with my worst case numbers, but much closer...and keep in mind, if folks weren't gaming it we would have a couple more 1s, some 2s, etc. so the others scores would come down. This tells me we would be in a toss up w/ Oregon for second.

Reps for the stats. Thats ridiculous.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

No...but I can tell you we are getting shafted a bit...

Coaches poll:
If everyone voted us 3rd, except BK, we should be at 1359 pts. or .9214.

Harris poll:
If everyone voted us 3rd, except for 1 first place vote (we got one), we should be at 2647 pts or .9207

Computer:
It has us at .990

So if everyone voted us 3rd, being as that should be the worst case scenario fathomable by ANY person with integrity, we'd have a BCS score of .9440 vs our current .9396.

This makes it clear conference coaches are trying to put the screws to us...and that there is some bias in the Harris Poll.

Still in third with my worst case numbers, but much closer...and keep in mind, if folks weren't gaming it we would have a couple more 1s, some 2s, etc. so the others scores would come down. This tells me we would be in a toss up w/ Oregon for second.

Conference coaches are absolutely gaming the system... Conferences cut up the bcs pie at the end of the year in terms of $$$$. It does them no good to vote their conscience....it does their conference and institutions's coffers much better to vote up their own agenda.

#uck them....... And David Pollack too.

 

[NDinTEXAS]

What cracks me up is #4 Alabama #5 Georgia #6 Florida #7 Lsu #8 aTm and #9 South Carolina? How bad do they want sec teams in and they cant dispute Undefeated haha but they sure want too!!

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Lots of rooting to do this weekend in an effort to maintain or strengthen our computer positions:

Michigan St comes off a bye to host Northwestern, then finishes up at Minny. 7-5 for Sparty would be nice.

Michigan has a crucial game at the Big House against Iowa. They are #21 in the BCS right now, so we desperately need them to hold serve heading into the Ohio State game.

Miami is coming off a devastating 41-40 loss to UVA (bad for us), but face a pitiful USF team in an OOC game. If Duke beats Georgia Tech this weekend, the Miami/Duke game on the 24th will be a de facto playoff game to get into the ACC title game. There is an outside chance that Miami could win the ACC and get to 8-5.

Stanford obviously has the huge game against Oregon this weekend, but they also play UCLA in the Rose Bowl on our USC day. Even if they were to lose to the Ducks, we'd need them to rebound and beat UCLA.

BYU (now 6-4) plays San Jose State (8-2). That's a big game, because BYU will destroy NMSU in their last game. They can get to 8-4 if they beat SJSU.

Oklahoma has a testing final three weeks: @WVU, Oklahoma State, @TCU. Not only do we need Oklahoma to win out to move our "quality win" to a "signature win," but those are three teams that K-State has beaten -- and Oklahoma State is currently a ranked team. BOOMER SOONERS!

Pitt (ugh) has a bye before what could be a big win at home against Rutgers, but don't count on it.

And perhaps most importantly, USC plays UCLA. We desperately need the Trojans to win and inch into the BCS Top 15.


EDIT: Another interesting note; #23 Texas Tech plays #24 Oklahoma State this weekend. K-State has beaten both teams. Obviously the loser will drop out of the polls. However, we want Okie State to win, and then lose in Bedlam the next week. This would leave K-State with just the Oklahoma win in terms of wins over ranked opponents (not count the Texas game on Dec. 1). Oh, and root for TCU over Texas on Thanksgiving.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

This system is so damn busted.....

 

[IrishLax]

Who the hell votes in the Harris Poll?

Alabama got a first place vote. Seriously.

Boise State is ranked ahead of Michigan after just losing to San Diego State, having two losses on the season, and zero quality wins of any sort.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Who the hell votes in the Harris Poll?

Alabama got a first place vote. Seriously.

Boise State is ranked ahead of Michigan after just losing to San Diego State, having two losses on the season, and zero quality wins of any sort.

yessir

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Who the hell votes in the Harris Poll?

Alabama got a first place vote. Seriously.

Boise State is ranked ahead of Michigan after just losing to San Diego State, having two losses on the season, and zero quality wins of any sort.

Wow. I am flabbergasted. This **** is deciding national championships.

Suddenly the AP doesn't seem so bad.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Harris Poll- The voters are comprised of former SEC football players or writers who know of nothing above the Mason-Dixon line. They believe that snow is an actionable motive for war as it's not something derived from Ol Dixie. If you play a game above Lexington, you should be shot, drawn, quartered and made to listen the musical styling of one Tiny Tim repeatedly for no less than a 72 hour period.

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[DomerInHappyValley]

Wow. I am flabbergasted. This **** is deciding national championships.

Suddenly the AP doesn't seem so bad.

AP poll is posted weekly with some aspect of transparency with a voters ballot being made public.
The other polls don't.
Though USA Today says they will release a ballot if a coach lies and threatens the integrity of the poll.
It's killing me to refrain from what I want to say.

 

[BurningRiver]

How anyone could compare what ND and KSU have done this season and rank KSU above Notre Dame is beyond me.

 

[aubeirish]

I think Oregon will slip if they play SC again.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think Oregon will slip if they play SC again.

I do too... Look at the last twenty years of cfb... When a team takes a second shot they don't miss... ND was victim of this against LSU not too long ago

 

[PraetorianND]

As long as we win out I still think we're going to make it to the NCG. Oregon and/or KSU are going to slip.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

AP poll is posted weekly with some aspect of transparency with a voters ballot being made public.
The other polls don't.
Though USA Today says they will release a ballot if a coach lies and threatens the integrity of the poll.
It's killing me to refrain from what I want to say.

It's a message board....Let 'er fly. What the hell do you care? We're all Brahs...... Is the SEC going to put a hit out on you?

 

[CTIDANDREW]

I think Oregon will slip if they play SC again.

I really hope you're right. Barkley wants something out of this season.

He last three options are.

1. Go perfect vs UCLA(sort of important)

2. Ruin arch-rival's shot at returning to past glories of Natl champions past. (very important)

3. Ruin Oregon's season, and win his first Pac title in the process. (Most important)

USC still has plenty to play for, heres hoping they do all but 2.

 

[ACamp1900]

It's killing me to refrain from what I want to say.

Its cool happy, LAX loves you too man... He told me last nigh-.....

Wait,....

...

(Turns and leaves in shame)

 

[BobD]

AP poll is posted weekly with some aspect of transparency with a voters ballot being made public.
The other polls don't.
Though USA Today says they will release a ballot if a coach lies and threatens the integrity of the poll.
It's killing me to refrain from what I want to say.

Oh great now it's killing me too! Give it up Domer.

 

[phgreek]

Conference coaches are absolutely gaming the system... Conferences cut up the bcs pie at the end of the year in terms of $$$$. It does them no good to vote their conscience....it does their conference and institutions's coffers much better to vote up their own agenda.

#uck them....... And David Pollack too.

Yea...since the BCS, the opportunity for conferences to participate in open collusion is simply too tempting. Add in ESPN, and their obvious financial interest, and the landscape for ND is UGLY...

Its difficult because ND's SOS would never be this good in a conference, yet we will always face this kind of sh!t as an indy. Reily is laughing his *** off right now...

 

[Rack Em]

#uck them....... And David Pollack too.

How many Pollack's does it take to get the BCS right?

More than one apparently

 

[Irish To The Core]

10-0. ND just needs to beat down Wake Forest convincingly and head to L.A. at 11-0. Oregon has 3 opportunities to screw the pooch. 1 game where they come down with fumblitis. Their defence is not very good and they have been fortunate with turnovers so far. If they can give away the ball against Stanford or at Corvalis where two good teams are going to be primed for them they will go down. Texas has turned a corner too. They will come into the KState game focused and very capable of an upset. Then there is USC (hopefully) against Oregon in the Pac 12 Cahmpionship game, that makes 4 good chances for an upset.

I think as long as ND takes care of business, the chances are very good for us to go to the NC game. And I like our chances once we get there too.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

When I go the way of bambi you'll all know why.
It's ****ing bullshit none of these coaches have any accountability. They hide behind their secret ballot keep their mouths shut and no one will find out they gamed the system. At least the dumbass media has the scrote be held accountable for theirs.
They're pussies with more sand in their vaginas than a crab.
**** them
**** their horse
**** the SEC
**** **** face spurrier.

 

[stlnd01]

Conferences cut up the bcs pie at the end of the year in terms of $$$$. It does them no good to vote their conscience....it does their conference and institutions's coffers much better to vote up their own agenda.

Not sure I understand this argument.
Do the teams (i.e. conferences) that play for the title get a larger share of the BCS pie? I may be wrong, but I thought it was evenly split, with conferences that have two BCS participants getting an extra share. That's certainly what this piece seems to say.

The BCS' Big Split - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal | SportsBusiness Daily Global

At this point, we're in a BCS bowl regardless, so we'd get our cut. Who does it help - financially - to keep us out of the title game? SEC looks like it'll get two BCS slots and can't get more than that. I guess Big 12/Pac 12 teams would hope to get a second team in at-large if OU and KSU play for the title? But that's a longshot for the Pac-12. No one else is going to get two. I'm not sure I understand the agenda.

That said, I am flabbergasted how no coaches - aside from Kelly - voted us #1. But there's still a lot of football to be played, by Oregon in particular. Patience.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Not sure I understand this argument.
Do the teams (i.e. conferences) that play for the title get a larger share of the BCS pie? I may be wrong, but I thought it was evenly split, with conferences that have two BCS participants getting an extra share. That's certainly what this piece seems to say.

The BCS' Big Split - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal | SportsBusiness Daily Global

At this point, we're in a BCS bowl regardless, so we'd get our cut. Who does it help - financially - to keep us out of the title game? SEC looks like it'll get two BCS slots and can't get more than that. I guess Big 12/Pac 12 teams would hope to get a second team in at-large if OU and KSU play for the title? But that's a longshot for the Pac-12. No one else is going to get two. I'm not sure I understand the agenda.

That said, I am flabbergasted how no coaches - aside from Kelly - voted us #1. But there's still a lot of football to be played, by Oregon in particular. Patience.

The conference does get an even cut. My contention is that it does these coaches no good to root/vote ND up when it's hurting their/conference's monetary cause overall.