Banned Users

[wizards8507]

When you attack people and call them racist without fact then that's too far and worthy of being banned. You and I disagree completely on the sociopolitical issues of today but I don't attack you personally. There is a difference and NJNP crossed the line. He deserved his banning.

Not just that. He also openly advocated for violent uprisings in the street. This isn't the place to foment insurrection.

 

[IrishLax]

all the shit that gets written in those politics threads and NJNP gets banned - he didn't back down, he said some things strongly, but he was flat out much smarter and much better informed than most people on this board and the vast majority of people who post in those politics threads, setting ideology aside completely.

See, that's just absolutely total bullshit.

We've had a thread on him for weeks in the mod forum. Weeks. The reason why, is that after MANY infractions and temporary bans and warnings from mods over his time on IE, he continued to break rules and was completely non-responsive to communiques from mods. This originally had NOTHING to do with "politics" or "Ferguson" threads.

The thread was started by BeauBenken after NJNP returned for a ban he received circa the Navy game and had corrected none of his behavior.

Then the Ferguson stuff started, and there was a hard choice. I'm personally for giving people LOTS of latitude to say whatever they want in the Leprechaun Lounge... because I like to debate as much as the next guy. For an example, read back any of the myriad of impassioned debates between me and GoIrish41 where we are miles apart on opinion. At the same time, GoIrish41 and I have also agreed on a number of topics. Why? Because we both approach topics from a point of intellectual honesty and making an effort to respond directly to what the other person was saying.

If Title2012/2014/2114/NJNP has a spotless record prior to the recent stuff he wouldn't have been banned, but in truth -- much like Pat -- he had too many warnings and strikes to be given another pass. Arguably, he should've been perma-banned sometime last season. We still spent weeks trying to get him to correct the offending behavior in some of his posts and he made no effort to even acknowledge that he was receiving the message.

His belligerence got to the point of many long standing members expressing that they didn't even enjoy IE anymore or had moved/were moving off to other boards because of NJNP's antics. When he stopped being able to contain his belligerence to a single thread and started branching out of the Leprechaun Lounge to other threads on this board with the same agenda is when it finally reached a head after weeks of discussion on whether or not to ban him.

those threads have become a therapy session for the angry oppressed white males of IE.

There have been tons of people arguing something close to NJNP's viewpoint who simply do it the right way. Rhode Irish, Bluto, etc. all express their opinions on an even keel, try to fairly respond to others, and try to support their arguments with either facts, anecdotes, or general knowledge.

If you're a fan misinformation, race-baiting, general disrespect, and illogical thinking I suggest finding another board. Because we're not going to have that here.

 

[IrishLax]

He gave a face on IE to the anger and frustration that many in the black community feel. He offered an opinion (although at times, perhaps, too strongly) that makes many uncomfortable. I thought many times as he posted that when everyone bands together to tell him how wrong he is that it appeared to confirm the very points he was making in his posts. IE's reaction to his posting of uncomfortable points of view ... banning! Does not seem too constructive, IMHO. Do we think IE's actions made him question whether he was being a troll or do you think it just demonstrated to him that he was right all along? I acknowledge that he sometimes went too far, but I would argue that others did as well in what appeared at times to be a relentless attempt to discredit him.

His banning was maybe 5% to do with Ferguson-centric posts. He had multiple previous bannings for being a total douchebag in football threads, etc.

I never once warned or banned him personally, but there were simply too many people to count on this board who took serious exception to his general actions.

 

[GoldenDome]

Really? Because NJNP's white version was Pat... who is banned.




Listen, he was warned a variety of times by several mods about what he needed to do and stop doing to stay on the site. He ignored them and continued his inflammatory behavior. But typical to his feelings on society, it must be the rest of society's fault that he broke the rules and got banned. He didn't get banned because he was black, it's because he refused to do what the mods asked over, and over, and over, and over again. Pretty simple.

I was joking bro.

 

[IrishLax]

Can someone remind me who NJNP was before he changed his name to NJNP? I feel like whenever anyone changes their username they should have to identify their former name somewhere in their profile. It makes it hard to know who I have already judged and how I judged them.

He was Title2012/Title2014/Title2114. He had been banned before under those handles for infractions on this site related to his posting in ND football threads.

 

[koonja]

When you guys ban me for the final time, you have my ppermission to tell people it was because I'm black. Would give me street cred on my next ND forum.

 

[Rack Em]

When you guys ban me for the final time, you have my ppermission to tell people it was because I'm black. Would give me street cred on my next ND forum.

Being black won't give you any credit when you join ND Nation.

 

[autry_denson]

If you're a fan misinformation, race-baiting, general disrespect, and illogical thinking I suggest finding another board. Because we're not going to have that here.

I'm not, which is why I've checked out of the politics threads on the site. This description fits an awful large portion of the posts, and they usually come from people who in my opinion are neither coherent nor very bright. I don't see them in the list of banned users.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I'm not, which is why I've checked out of the politics threads on the site. This description fits an awful large portion of the posts, and they usually come from people who in my opinion are neither coherent nor very bright. I don't see them in the list of banned users.

But that gets back to the point that most people make on this board. Just because someone disagrees with someone else that does not make them racist, uneducated, unable to communicate their points of view. That way of thinking is what drives the majority of today's mainstream liberal media. It's ok... as long as you agree with us. If you disagree, then you are that racist, white, elitist, pig. The rally cry of the liberal... think like we do or you are wrong. Sorry... but I can think and communicate my thoughts on the issues of today just fine. And if I happen to disagree with another poster, then so be it. I respect their opinion... even if it is different than mine.

 

[autry_denson]

this guy is still on here!

Thugs just started another cop car on fire. Disgusting behavior from these animals.

 

[GoIrish41]

His banning was maybe 5% to do with Ferguson-centric posts. He had multiple previous bannings for being a total douchebag in football threads, etc.

I never once warned or banned him personally, but there were simply too many people to count on this board who took serious exception to his general actions.

Fair enough. I obviously assumed that the banning revolved around the conversations about race in the Ferguson and other threads. I'm glad I was wrong about that, although reaciton to my post from non-mods suggest they thought the same thing as I did.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not, which is why I've checked out of the politics threads on the site. This description fits an awful large portion of the posts, and they usually come from people who in my opinion are neither coherent nor very bright. I don't see them in the list of banned users.

No, but how many of them have been banned previously multiple times and been given dozens of warnings? Many of those people you're talking about might've received infractions or warnings.

Koonja -- a very long standing member -- once made an incidentally racist post. He was immediately temp banned. People get a fair shake. If you make an effort to correct your offending behavior or apologize, then you can keep posting. If you make no effort at all, then you're not going to get an infinite amount of second chances.

 

[wizards8507]

this guy is still on here!

Only you (and NJNP and maybe GoIrish41) can equate "people who set cop cars on fire are animals" with "black people are animals." They're not the same thing.

I am greatly concerned about having a convict in the office. And I do not care if that convict is white, black, Asian, German, or some kind of halfsie. I do not like criminals.

 

[IrishLax]

this guy is still on here!

He received a warning about that post and was instructed to be careful with terms like "animal" that can be racially charged.

 

[autry_denson]

But that gets back to the point that most people make on this board. Just because someone disagrees with someone else that does not make them racist, uneducated, unable to communicate their points of view. That way of thinking is what drives the majority of today's mainstream liberal media. It's ok... as long as you agree with us. If you disagree, then you are that racist, white, elitist, pig. The rally cry of the liberal... think like we do or you are wrong. Sorry... but I can think and communicate my thoughts on the issues of today just fine. And if I happen to disagree with another poster, then so be it. I respect their opinion... even if it is different than mine.

do you read what you've just typed after you type it?

 

[T Town Tommy]

Fair enough. I obviously assumed that the banning revolved around the conversations about race in the Ferguson and other threads. I'm glad I was wrong about that, although reaciton to my post from non-mods suggest they thought the same thing as I did.

I was out here the day title2014 got banned during one game. He was over the top in his remarks towards the Irish and their players, fans, etc. The Ferguson issue just added a whole other level to his disrespect to others out here. I don't like seeing posters banned, but he crossed the line on several issues, as Lax stated.

 

[T Town Tommy]

do you read what you've just typed after you type it?

Sure did.

Ask GoIrish41. We disagree completely on the major sociopolitical issues of today. Have went round and round on them as a matter of fact. But at no point did either of us get personal towards each other. I respect his opinion. He respects mine and has posted as such. But what I won't do is be blamed for the actions of others out here. NJNP crossed the line when he personally attacked others. And he did so after being asked to stop.

Personally, I thought NJNP brought some great comments to the board. But then his very next posts would attack others that didn't agree with him. Again, I don't like seeing people get banned. But he went too far. I wish him well and even posted that I hoped he followed up on his commitment to get involved with the issues he was passionate about.

 

[autry_denson]

He received a warning about that post and was instructed to be careful with terms like "animal" that can be racially charged.

one of his next posts was 'pants up, don't loot.' just ugly stuff.

ban whomever you want, but there has to be some recognition of the environment in these politics threads. for every reasonable post on either side of the spectrum there are10 that throw out this casual hatred lined w a complete absence of logic or evidence mixed with blatant attempts to antagonize. and then the 15 members furthest to the right cheer each other on and try to outdo each other in how far they can push their comments without explicitly saying something about black people. it's just a strange, toxic atmosphere in there and it seems odd that the 1 guy who was equally far to the left is the one who's no longer on the site.

Mods' explanations make sense, I get that it was the cumulative pattern that got him banned. but if those politics threads are going to be a part of this site then the casual hatred that's tossed around has to be taken seriously.

 

[wizards8507]

one of his next posts was 'pants up, don't loot.' just ugly stuff.

ban whomever you want, but there has to be some recognition of the environment in these politics threads. for every reasonable post on either side of the spectrum there are10 that throw out this casual hatred lined w a complete absence of logic or evidence mixed with blatant attempts to antagonize. and then the 15 members furthest to the right cheer each other on and try to outdo each other in how far they can push their comments without explicitly saying something about black people. it's just a strange, toxic atmosphere in there and it seems odd that the 1 guy who was equally far to the left is the one who's no longer on the site.

Mods' explanations make sense, I get that it was the cumulative pattern that got him banned. but if those politics threads are going to be a part of this site then the casual hatred that's tossed around has to be taken seriously.

This is why people can't have a serious conversation with you or NJNP. You see imaginary boogeymen that just don't exist. If I say something completely benign, you'll accuse me of racism and then claim that it's just a subtle, hidden, SECRET racism but *you know what I mean wink wink*. If I see a black man burning a cop car, I'm going to call him out. If I see a white man burning a cop car, I'm going to call HIM out. Just because the person I happen to see burning a cop car on a given day is black, doesn't mean I'm calling him out BECAUSE he's black.

 

[koonja]

This seems as good of a time as any... I could never determine if James Onawala is black or white. Anyone know his ethnicity?

 

[ulukinatme]

This seems as good of a time as any... I could never determine if James Onawala is black or white. Anyone know his ethnicity?

The correct answer is "He's Irish, that's all that matters."

 

[phillyirish]

Everybody needs to calm down. Sick of this fighting, hatred and bigotry. People need to be more accepting of other people's views. Seriously, racism is almost as annoying as Mexicans.

 

[wizards8507]

Everybody needs to calm down. Sick of this fighting, hatred and bigotry. People need to be more accepting of other people's views.

The problem now is that the statement, "that guy isn't racist" is ITSELF labeled racist if "that guy" is white because of course he's racist.

 

[GoIrish41]

He. Didn't. Call. Black. People. Animals.

He called people who riot in the streets and burn up their neighborhoods "animals." You honestly don't see the difference?

Black people burning up their neighborhood? Animals.
White people burning up their neighborhood? Animals.
Black people going to church? Not animals.
White people going to church? Not animals.
Arab people beheading journalists on YouTube? Animals.
White people beheading journalists on YouTube? Animals.
Black people doing the Ice Bucket Challenge on YouTube? Not animals.

See how this works?

Oh and he wasn't talking about black people when he said "Pants up, don't loot" either, I suppose. Give me a break.

 

[gkIrish]

Oh and he wasn't talking about black people when he said "Pants up, don't loot" either, I suppose. Give me a break.

After briefly searching Google I see this phrase makes fun of the looters but I don't understand it on its face. Please educate me as this is the first time I've seen this phrase. What does the "pants up" refer to. Serious question.

 

[wizards8507]

Oh and he wasn't talking about black people when he said "Pants up, don't loot" either, I suppose. Give me a break.

Maybe you're right. Maybe he was talking in secret code language that only you are able to translate.

I'm fascinated by this notion of the "subtle racist." If I was a racist, wouldn't I be out actually BEING racist? I'm not going to win anyone over to my racist cause if I'm sneaky about it. I'm pretty sure that someone who thinks "black people are animals" or something like that wouldn't be too shy about SAYING "black people are animals."

 

[wizards8507]

After briefly searching Google I see this phrase makes fun of the looters but I don't understand it on its face. Please educate me as this is the first time I've seen this phrase. What does the "pants up" refer to. Serious question.

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Sagging (fashion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fun fact: "sagging" came about in prisons to ensure easy access to one's backside, whether for consensual prison hookups or prison rape.

 

[gkIrish]

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Sagging (fashion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fun fact: "sagging" came about in prisons to ensure easy access to one's backside, whether from consensual prison hookups to prison rape.

I see. So it's referring to the trend of black and white males (I see it from both where I live) to wear their pants around their ankles.

I would say that's worth an infraction. If I had seen it and known what it meant I would have given one. But depends on the context too.

 

[connor_in]

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Sagging (fashion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fun fact: "sagging" came about in prisons to ensure easy access to one's backside, whether for consensual prison hookups or prison rape.

Ugh...part of me wants to neg rep you for this because there is no way for me to unlearn that bit of information

 

[wizards8507]

Ugh...part of me wants to neg rep you for this because there is no way for me to unlearn that bit of information

Try hearing it for the first time from your father when you're 12 years old. Worse.