Another Shooting

[SonofOahu]

I'd have a really hard time trusting a plastic gun coming straight off a printer. I have a hard enough time trusting Glocks, tbh. Saw one too many "catastrophic failure" vids on YouTube.

 

[Rogue219]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nra-financial-trouble-706371/

 

[Irish YJ]

I'd have a really hard time trusting a plastic gun coming straight off a printer. I have a hard enough time trusting Glocks, tbh. Saw one too many "catastrophic failure" vids on YouTube.

I shot Glocks (mostly 17s, 19s, and 34s) for a long time. I've also shot Sigs and HKs a lot. Never had one issue with a Glock, or a Sig for that matter. I have had a few small issues with HKs. I've fired a lot of others, but those are the 3 most reliable in my experience. Most others I found a bit sketchy. I'm surprised to hear that about Glocks given they are considered the most reliable in most studies.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nra-financial-trouble-706371/

It would not shock me about NY.. They have a history of gong after everything conservative. Regardless, I'm sure they are over-blowing it.

 

[Legacy]

Cuomo Moves to Scrap N.R.A. Lawsuit Accusing Him of ‘Blacklisting’

 

[NorthDakota]

I'd have a really hard time trusting a plastic gun coming straight off a printer. I have a hard enough time trusting Glocks, tbh. Saw one too many "catastrophic failure" vids on YouTube.

The money/effort it would take to print one of those plastic guns surpasses just buying a gun from someone lmao. YouTube is loaded with people dodging Darwin Awards haha

The entire thing is CAN you do it. I fully believe you should be able to. Right to bear arms fam!

 

[Irish YJ]

The money/effort it would take to print one of those plastic guns surpasses just buying a gun from someone lmao. YouTube is loaded with people dodging Darwin Awards haha

The entire thing is CAN you do it. I fully believe you should be able to. Right to bear arms fam!

The plans are already out there and widely available on some of the boards per one computer geek (who has had printers since commercially available) ex-employee I know....... He said the issue is a big meh in the geek space

 

[Irishize]

https://amp.thedailybeast.com/parkl...ied-before-shooting?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Irish YJ]

https://amp.thedailybeast.com/parkl...ied-before-shooting?__twitter_impression=true

While I wish the school did more and had a tighter policy, I also wonder what feedback was given to his parents, and what they did.

If the behavior was so disturbing they wanted to have him committed, could they not force the move to a special needs school or force outside treatment (via parents), instead of leaving the choice to him, who was obviously unstable.

If existing policy was not followed, bad on them. But perhaps policy needs to be clearer, and stronger in terms of removals/transfers. School admins absolutely need to follow the letter of the law/policy, but I think in general there is too much grey area and too much burden on schools.

In Cruz’s junior year, after he had already begun exhibiting behavior so disturbing it led to guidance counselors wanting to have him committed, the teenager sat down with education specialists to discuss his options for further schooling. He was told he could transfer to Cross Creek, a school tailored for students with special needs; sue the Broward school district; or stay at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School without any special counseling. According to a review of that meeting featured in the new report, school officials left out one crucial fact: Cruz was still entitled to special assistance at Stoneman Douglas if he chose to stay.

Being unaware of this option, however, Cruz—whose developmental delays were flagged at age 3—was reportedly stripped of counseling services and left to fend for himself as a “regular student.”

 

[BGIF]

This is where the daily beast got the substance of their article.

This is where the daily beast got the substance of their article.

Here's what Broward schools knew about Parkland shooter — details revealed by mistake - Sun Sentinel

Here's what Broward schools knew about Parkland shooter — details revealed by mistake

Brittany Wallman and Paula McMahonContact Reporters
South Florida Sun Sentinel
August 4, 2018

N.B. There are a couple of related articles listed at the above link. One of them is the redacted school distrtict's report on Cruz and the other is a timeline of a troubled person.

Read the Broward school district's report on the Parkland school shooter - Sun Sentinel

http://projects.sun-sentinel.com/cruz-troubled-life/

In the year leading up to the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, killer Nikolas Cruz was stripped of the therapeutic services disabled students need, leaving him to navigate his schooling as a regular student despite mounds of evidence that he wasn’t.

When he asked to return to a special education campus, school officials fumbled his request.

Those conclusions were revealed Friday in a consultant’s report commissioned by the Broward public school system. Broward Circuit Judge Elizabeth Scherer ordered that the report be released publicly, but with nearly two-thirds of the content blacked out.

The school district said the alterations were needed to comply with the shooter’s privacy rights, but the method the district used to conceal the text failed. The blacked-out text became visible when pasted into another computer file.

What emerged was the first detailed account of Cruz’s years in the school system, what the school district knew about him and what mistakes were made.

Without directly criticizing the schools, the consultant, the Collaborative Educational Network of Tallahassee, recommended that the district reconsider how cases like Cruz’s are handled. The recommendations suggest that Cruz could have been offered more help in his final two years in high school, leading up to the Feb. 14 shooting.

Whether that would have changed the outcome is impossible to know.

The consultant found that the district largely followed the laws, providing special education to the shooter starting when he was 3 years old and had already been kicked out of day care. But “two specific instances were identified,” the report says, where school officials did not follow the requirements of Florida statute or federal laws governing students with disabilities.

Those instances:

-- School officials misstated Cruz’s options when he was faced with being removed from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School his junior year, leading him to refuse special education services.

-- When Cruz asked to return to the therapeutic environment of Cross Creek School for special education students, the district “did not follow through,” the report reveals.

In part because of the errors, Cruz had no school counseling or other special education services in the 14 months leading up to the shooting on Feb. 14, the report says.

In an interview late Friday night, Broward Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said that district officials had wanted to release the full report but did not intentionally post it in a way that allowed the blacked-out portions to be read. “I didn’t even know that was possible,” he said.

Runcie said the redaction of parts of the report was to comply with judges’ orders and the defense’s objections to the report being made public: “It should not be insinuated or suggested at all that we wanted to redact or hide portions from the public.”

He said the purpose of the report was to explain to the public what happened, to fix any problems identified by the experts and to provide better training for staff in the future. The details accidentally revealed do not alter any of the conclusions, Runcie said.

“Nobody ever said this was an average child,” Runcie said of Cruz. “The district was the one — out of all the agencies — that was providing some level of service to the child.”

In the past, Runcie said that when Cruz turned 18 and rejected special education placement, the district could no longer provide him with the services given to students with emotional and behavioral disabilities. But the consultant’s report reveals for the first time that Cruz himself requested to return to special education, and his request went nowhere.

Three days after he was forced by the district to withdraw from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High, he purchased an AR-15 rifle. A year after his ejection from Marjory Stoneman Douglas, a school he insisted he would graduate from, he returned and murdered 14 students and three coaches.

Some special education experts have told the South Florida Sun Sentinel that the district should have looked for other ways to help him in his final two years of school, before the shooting. The district treated him like a general education student for his final two years. Cruz left Stoneman Douglas two or three months after giving up his special education services.

The long-awaited analysis largely absolves the district of culpability, minimizing mistakes as “compliance concerns” and noting the analysis was not done “through the lens of hindsight.”

“Remembering that throughout the student's school career his … teams were acting without benefit of foresight regarding the incident that occurred in February 2018, the decisions they made were reasonable given the available information at the time,” the consultant concluded. “With few exceptions, the district adhered to [federal law].”

Runcie said the review shows that the district’s “systems are appropriate” and that the district worked consistently “to provide an education and ongoing, changing behavioral care for Cruz throughout his time in the Broward school system.”

Cruz’s attorneys called the report a “whitewash” commissioned by the school district to clear it of responsibility for how it handled Cruz’s complex psychological problems.

“I think that the report is an attempt by the school board to absolve itself of any liability or responsibility for all the missed opportunities that they had in this matter,” said Gordon Weekes, the chief assistant public defender who is the spokesman for the defense team.

The report does recommend changes, but many are not specific and don’t say how the Cruz case brought the weaknesses to light. For example: “Review existing data systems to identify redundancies and inefficiencies and determine the most effective way to integrate multiple systems, maximizing accuracy and shareability across users.”

The district paid the Tallahassee-based consultant $60,000 for the review.

Animal fantasies
Neither of the parents who adopted Cruz as a child could be consulted for the report. Roger Cruz died of a heart attack in front of Nikolas Cruz when he was 5. Lynda Cruz died of pneumonia last November.

But the consultant found that Cruz, by the time he was 3, had already been kicked out of a pre-kindergarten program and was identified as a developmentally delayed student needing special education.

He was aggressive — biting, pinching, scratching and pulling hair. He had trouble communicating and following instructions. And he exhibited “animal fantasies” that led to a parent-teacher conference and the assignment of a family counselor in the home. Despite “high levels of reinforcement,” his aggressive animal-like behaviors “appeared to be unpredictable,” the report says, citing school records.

“It must be noted that in particular, [the student] seems to identify as an animal,” the report says, citing an evaluation completed when Cruz was 5. “He often crawls on the floor or ground, pounces on another student, makes seemingly animal-like growling sounds and grimaces while holding his hands in a paw-like manner.”

He eventually dropped the predatory animal fixation, but his behavior continued to be tinged with physical violence.

The special education designation brought extra care and attention — in-home family counseling, speech therapy, a peer counselor, extra time to do his work, waivers from some testing, continual reviews of his progress and his struggles, meetings with family. But each attempt to transition him to a regular classroom failed. His outbursts and physical aggression in first grade required him to be removed from class at least four of five days, and several times a day on certain days, for example.

His third-grade teacher reported that he was “often sad and pessimistic” and apologized unnecessarily. He needed structure and predictability.

“The results of the evaluation revealed clinically significant levels of hyperactivity, aggression, anxiety, and depression behaviors and feelings at school,” the report states.

Some of the school interventions drew attention to his differentness. He had a harness on the school bus in pre-kindergarten. And at the start of his eighth-grade year, he was placed on “escort only” status at Westglades Middle School in Parkland. He was to be accompanied by a security specialist or staff member wherever he went, including the restroom or when moving from one class to another.

Over the years, his behavior patterns did not change, except to worsen.

Though he didn’t want to be in a school for kids with troubles, he excelled when during his eighth-grade year, he was moved back to a full-time special education campus at Cross Creek School, a Pompano Beach school for children with severe emotional and behavioral disorders.

“By all reports the placement at Cross Creek was effective,” the report says.

That’s where he might have remained, had the district not decided to give him a chance at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High.

Send him to MSD
He still exhibited emotional and behavioral problems, but in May 2015, during his ninth-grade year, when he was 16, school officials recommended he return to a “mainstream setting,” at least for part of the day.

“Although [the student] has made behavioral progress he continues to lack impulse control. He needs to be monitored while in both the school and neighborhood communities,” a report in March 2015 said.

He would attend Marjory Stoneman Douglas High for ROTC and intensive reading, they decided. In addition, they agreed to “discontinue the behavior intervention plan. During interviews school staff explained that this decision was based on the fact that the target behaviors were no longer in evidence and the plan was no longer needed.”

Behavior intervention plans ensure that everyone dealing with a student knows what sets him off and how to reinforce better behavior.

In January 2016, during his 10th-grade year, he became a full-time student there. Just three weeks later, the Broward Sheriff’s Office got a tip that he posted on Instagram that he planned to shoot up a school.

Collaborative Educational Network determined that the decision to send him there was the right one.

“Based on the available evidence, the student's transition to the less restrictive environment of a traditional school campus was appropriate,” the report says. His only discipline that semester was a two-day in-school suspension for “inappropriate comments.” He had a girlfriend, the report says, and still strongly desired to join the military after graduating.

Time to go
As had been the case in the past, his success was short-lived.

He had an emotional meltdown in September of his junior year. And on Nov. 3 that year, a meeting of Stoneman and Cross Creek specialists was convened. Lynda Cruz was present.

With her son not in the room, those in attendance agreed he should return to Cross Creek school. They knew he’d be upset. His mother agreed with the transfer, but she told those in the room that she thought he would reject the idea. It was up to him, they said. He had turned 18 on Sept. 24.

“Upon entering the room and seeing the Cross Creek representatives, the student immediately became upset and verbally aggressive. He refused to sit at the table, angrily repeating that he would not go back to Cross Creek and that he wanted only to stay at Stoneman. He intended to graduate from the school,” the report says, summarizing what those in the meeting said in interviews with the consultant.

“They were consistent in their description of what occurred during the meeting and in their distress at the outcome,” the consultant wrote.

Two Cross Creek personnel took him aside and told him his options: He could return to Cross Creek to work on his behavior, he could sue the district to try to reverse the decision, or he could remain at Douglas as a regular student, rejecting all special treatment and services for kids with challenges.

He told them he wasn’t going to Cross Creek. Still, he didn’t put the decision in writing. Douglas staff nudged him about it and wrote it up for him.

The moment he signed the form, he lost all protections for disabled students under federal law. Though the district knew he needed services and had put in writing just two weeks prior that he “requires access to therapeutic support as needed through-out the school day at this time,” they began treating him “in the same way as any general education student.”

The consultant said the options laid out for Cruz were incorrect. Cruz could have remained at Douglas with his current rights and services, and the district had the burden of proving he should be transferred to Cross Creek.

The consultant recommended the district review and revise guidelines governing cases like this, including cases where the student doesn’t follow through by signing paperwork to revoke special education. Staff should “remain neutral and [be] able to act without either promoting or hindering the revocation” of services, the consultant recommended.

The recommendations also suggest that Cruz wasn’t offered help that general education students are entitled to.

The district should review and revise current training, the report says, for when “a student is known to have social/emotional or behavioral needs and therefore, as a general education student, should have access to the counseling and mental health services available to all students through the district's multi-tiered system of supports.”

By February, without the extra protections, he was failing most classes and administrators told him it was time to go.

He was referred to Riverside Off Campus Learning Center at Taravella High School, where students work independently online. There is supervision, but there is no one teaching course content, though Cruz struggled with academics his entire life.

“On February 8, 2017, the student withdrew from Stoneman,” the report says. “He did not return to the school until the day of the incident, just over one year later,” the report says, obliquely referring to the murders.

He was on track to graduate during the time he received special education services, the report says.

After he signed the paperwork to leave special education, he earned only two credits over a year and a half — and none from three alternative education schools he attended.

Change of heart
Two months after he was kicked out of the high school, his mother called to say he had changed his mind. He wanted to return to Cross Creek.

“She said he had come to realize that the only way he would achieve his goal of graduating from high school would be to return to Cross Creek,” the report says.

The district had 15 years of paperwork on Cruz but determined he would have to be evaluated and found eligible for exceptional student education services, a process Douglas High estimated would take six weeks. On that point, the consultant again refrained from criticizing directly, but suggested the district revise its rules in cases where the evidence that the student needs special education is already firmly in place.

Special education specialists at Cross Creek, Stoneman Douglas and at Riverside, where he was a student, all were involved in his request to return to Cross Creek’s special education campus. Ultimately, the administrators at Stoneman Douglas, where he was to re-enroll for a new evaluation, refused to accept him back.

The consultant gave a light touch to the mistake, saying the district had an obligation to respond to the student’s request for special education services within 30 days and “this did not occur.”

Senior year
At the beginning of his senior year in September 2017, back at Riverside school, he was taking a standardized test that, as a general education student, he needed in order to graduate.

The proctor told him his test would be invalidated because he had a cellphone. He became upset, saying, “No, this can’t be.” He shouted “I hate this school!” and threw a chair across the room.

He transferred to another alternative public high school, the Dave Thomas Education Center, where teachers “described him as a quiet, polite student who tried to do well but struggled academically. They made a point to saying that he did not exhibit any of the aggressive or dangerous behaviors reported elsewhere, nor, despite the fact that almost all of his teachers were minorities, did he show any of the racial or ethnic bias they had heard about in the news.”

On Nov. 1, his mother, an advocate throughout his schooling, unexpectedly died.

Staff at Dave Thomas encouraged him to return to the school, but he and his brother Zachary had moved to the Lantana Cascade Mobile Home Park in Palm Beach County to live with a former Parkland neighbor, Rocxanne Deschamps. Deschamps kicked him out several weeks later.

In mid-December, after moving in with a Parkland family, he enrolled at another school, the Off Campus Learning Center at Rock Island. He remained there, the report says, until “the incident.”

 

[SonofOahu]

The money/effort it would take to print one of those plastic guns surpasses just buying a gun from someone lmao. YouTube is loaded with people dodging Darwin Awards haha

The entire thing is CAN you do it. I fully believe you should be able to. Right to bear arms fam!

I had friends in high school who made a functioning firearm out of stuff they purchased at a hardware store. Stupidest idea, ever, and I'm surprised no one got hurt, but it's not like you need an expensive 3-d printer to do it.

 

[BGIF]

I had friends in high school who made a functioning firearm out of stuff they purchased at a hardware store. Stupidest idea, ever, and I'm surprised no one got hurt, but it's not like you need an expensive 3-d printer to do it.

Your friends were about 50 years behind the times. Sixty years ago, teens made zip guns out of items found in the basement or garage. They didn't have to go to a hardware store not spend any money to make a gun. A car radio antenna, or tubing off cars and appliances attached to a hunk of wood for a stock, a rubber band, a nail for a firing pin, and 22 caliber shells. You didn't even need a spring although it was more reliable than a rubber band. You didn't need a stock either. Pens were used. Cell phones today can be used to hold more than one shot.

You don't need an expensive 3-d printer. It can be done for less than a grand. Yes, you can get more expensive printers for metal pieces but you're focusing on printing one gun. Economy of scale applies. Having an untraceable weapon is worthwhile to a bad guy OR anyone who can't pass a background check.

Twenty years ago I paid $2500 for a top of the line scanner. Today they come as part of $100 printers. It won't take twenty years for this technology to advance. For terrorist organizations $10 grand for printer for untraceable weapons which don't trip metal detectors and can be smuggled in or made here isn't a problem.

Obviously not the firepower of a Streesweeper but a one or two shot 3-d handheld shotgun is a lot easier to conceal ... and get ... and it still does a lot of damage.

Zip guns were replaced by cheap Saturday night specials which were replaced by 9mm
stolen or purchased illegally BUT with a serial number and a penchant for bad guys to hang on them because of the cost. 3-D printing makes guns like burner phones, cheap and disposable and hard to trace.

This is a real threat to public safety.

 

[NorthDakota]

Your friends were about 50 years behind the times. Sixty years ago, teens made zip guns out of items found in the basement or garage. They didn't have to go to a hardware store not spend any money to make a gun. A car radio antenna, or tubing off cars and appliances attached to a hunk of wood for a stock, a rubber band, a nail for a firing pin, and 22 caliber shells. You didn't even need a spring although it was more reliable than a rubber band. You didn't need a stock either. Pens were used. Cell phones today can be used to hold more than one shot.

You don't need an expensive 3-d printer. It can be done for less than a grand. Yes, you can get more expensive printers for metal pieces but you're focusing on printing one gun. Economy of scale applies. Having an untraceable weapon is worthwhile to a bad guy OR anyone who can't pass a background check.

Twenty years ago I paid $2500 for a top of the line scanner. Today they come as part of $100 printers. It won't take twenty years for this technology to advance. For terrorist organizations $10 grand for printer for untraceable weapons which don't trip metal detectors and can be smuggled in or made here isn't a problem.

Obviously not the firepower of a Streesweeper but a one or two shot 3-d handheld shotgun is a lot easier to conceal ... and get ... and it still does a lot of damage.

Zip guns were replaced by cheap Saturday night specials which were replaced by 9mm
stolen or purchased illegally BUT with a serial number and a penchant for bad guys to hang on them because of the cost. 3-D printing makes guns like burner phones, cheap and disposable and hard to trace.

This is a real threat to public safety.

I was doing college papers on 3-D printed guns years ago in college. Have they become a problem in the last few years? No. They haven't.

 

[wizards8507]

Obviously not the firepower of a Streesweeper but a one or two shot 3-d handheld shotgun is a lot easier to conceal ... and get ... and it still does a lot of damage.

Except you can make one a lot more powerful for much cheaper without 3D printing it. Tons of people manufacture their own weapons, load their own ammunition, etc.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Another Shooting

Wasnt there a movie like 20 years ago where John Malkovich plays a psycho that tries to kill the president (Harry Ford IIRC) with a 3-D printed gun?

 

[connor_in]

Wasnt there a movie like 20 years ago where John Malkovich plays a psycho that tries to kill the president (Harry Ford IIRC) with a 3-D printed gun?

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In the Line of Fire

 

[IrishLion]

Whoever buys a 3-D printer can just 3-D print more 3-D printers.

What a terrible market 3-D printers must be for manufacturers.

 

[Irish YJ]

I was doing college papers on 3-D printed guns years ago in college. Have they become a problem in the last few years? No. They haven't.

It's a huge meh. Any nefarious type folks who wanted to print guns already have the plans. I can see some dumb ass kid printing them and selling them to his buddies though. The real bad guys who need a printed gun, already have access,,,,,, and for those who don't need to avoid metal detectors it's so much easier to get stolen gun on the corner for less dollars. The single shot is only good for so much and a niche market.... Now if they can start making semi autos or autos, then I might start to worry.

 

[Irish YJ]

Florida armed bystander stops gunman at crowded back-to-school event at park, police say | Fox News

Another good guy with a gun. This time, stops potential mass shooting at a back to school cook out.

Pretty big news. Didn't see it on CNN, and all 11 headlines on MSNBC are anti Trump lol.

 

[Irish#1]

Wasnt there a movie like 20 years ago where John Malkovich plays a psycho that tries to kill the president (Harry Ford IIRC) with a 3-D printed gun?

Don't think it was made from a 3D printer, but was made out of some type of hard plastic so it would be undetectable.

 

[Irish#1]

It's a huge meh. Any nefarious type folks who wanted to print guns already have the plans. I can see some dumb ass kid printing them and selling them to his buddies though. The real bad guys who need a printed gun, already have access,,,,,, and for those who don't need to avoid metal detectors it's so much easier to get stolen gun on the corner for less dollars. The single shot is only good for so much and a niche market.... Now if they can start making semi autos or autos, then I might start to worry.

I'm not sure a 3D gun would hold up to the explosion of the bullet would it? I guess it would depend on the material use to print.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm not sure a 3D gun would hold up to the explosion of the bullet would it? I guess it would depend on the material use to print.

needs the correct plastic.
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[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My gun is almost finished printing &#55357;&#56846; <a href="https://t.co/p22ZtEoEfT">pic.twitter.com/p22ZtEoEfT</a></p>— Kaya Jones (@KayaJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/KayaJones/status/1025902614104469505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Irish YJ]

I'd love to print a Kaya

 

[loomis41973]

Looks like areas where The Great Obama did his 'organizing" came out in full force to support his birthday.

Free target shooting for all.

 

[Legacy]

Ghost Guns

Ghost Guns

All law-abiding (until they aren't) citizens protected by "Gun Rights" advocates, citing constitutional freedoms.

Blocked from distributing plans for 3D-printed guns, "crypto-anarchist" is still in the DIY gun business (Texas Tribune)

Not stopping at selling Ghost Gunner to manufacture AR-15s, Wilson is now selling a machine to make ghost handguns.

THIS "GHOST GUN" MACHINE NOW MAKES UNTRACEABLE METAL HANDGUNS (Wired)

Shooting rampage in California highlights "ghost guns" and their dangers (CBS News)

Ghost Gunners are sold on-line through their site without any checks or even providing a name for about $2,000 - just a shipping address. They are also resold through on-line sites like Armslist and Gunbroker.com. Ghost guns are legal for private ownership but cannot be sold unless by a FFL dealer. But who's buying a $2,000 machine that manufacturers untraceable guns just for themselves? Gun hobbyists?

L.A. gangs stockpile untraceable 'ghost guns' that members make themselves
(LA Times)

Ghost Guns markets to customers to build an “unregistered weapon system that’s ready for almost any combat scenario.” and stresses the anonymous and untraceable nature of the weapon that can be manufactured. The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits the interstate sale of firearms, but a loophole allows the personal manufacture of weapons - no background check, serial number, or seller’s license needed.

 

[Irish YJ]

All law-abiding (until they aren't) citizens protected by "Gun Rights" advocates, citing constitutional freedoms.

Blocked from distributing plans for 3D-printed guns, "crypto-anarchist" is still in the DIY gun business (Texas Tribune)

Not stopping at selling Ghost Gunner to manufacture AR-15s, Wilson is now selling a machine to make ghost handguns.

THIS "GHOST GUN" MACHINE NOW MAKES UNTRACEABLE METAL HANDGUNS (Wired)

Shooting rampage in California highlights "ghost guns" and their dangers (CBS News)

Ghost Gunners are sold on-line through their site without any checks or even providing a name for about $2,000 - just a shipping address. They are also resold through on-line sites like Armslist and Gunbroker.com. Ghost guns are legal for private ownership but cannot be sold unless by a FFL dealer. But who's buying a $2,000 machine that manufacturers untraceable guns just for themselves? Gun hobbyists?

L.A. gangs stockpile untraceable 'ghost guns' that members make themselves
(LA Times)

Ghost Guns markets to customers to build an “unregistered weapon system that’s ready for almost any combat scenario.” and stresses the anonymous and untraceable nature of the weapon that can be manufactured. The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits the interstate sale of firearms, but a loophole allows the personal manufacture of weapons - no background check, serial number, or seller’s license needed.

If the topic is 3D guns, the LA Times article/headline is misleading. The gangs are not stock piling 3D guns. They are making their own more traditional guns via several methods (which is far more of a risk than a printed plastic single shot).

And, as the article says, they are being manufactured all over Hollywood. Yes, the state with the strictest gun laws. This is another example of criminals finding a way to get guns regardless of laws. Unlike the game the libs play in IL (blaming IN), the blame here rest solely on the criminal element.

 

[Legacy]

If the topic is 3D guns, the LA Times article/headline is misleading.

The topic is not 3D guns. But the subject is worth anyone's attention and some time.

 

[Irish YJ]

The topic is not 3D guns. But the subject is worth anyone's attention and some time.

What are your thoughts on technology in general as it relates to guns. IMO, technology is almost to the point, where people will be able to fabricate just about anything gun related if they really want. It's only going to get easier. 3D plans are already out there available for anyone who wants to spend a little time looking. A buddy of one of my cousins made a metal single shot over 10 years ago with a few generally available common tools like drill presses, mills, metal shaving tools, etc..

IMO, the bad guys will always find a way.

 

[Legacy]

This leads into the difference between an anarchist vs a libertarian - both individuals and organizations. Which one is Cody Wilson, for instance?

 

[Bishop2b5]

A buddy of one of my cousins made a metal single shot over 10 years ago with a few generally available common tools like drill presses, mills, metal shaving tools, etc..

IMO, the bad guys will always find a way.

My dad made one in his HS shop class back around 1950. Lots of teenage boys made them back in the day and it was relatively easy to do. You can make a one-shot zip gun with the tools most of us have at home and a $20 trip to the hardware store.