Another Shooting

[IrishLax]

Don't know your situation ACamp, but I can't see a lot of families watching this guy's stream in NZ and feeling bad for him. The laughing and commentary during the vid is just chilling. I hate that I watched the vid, but in ways it's a needed reality check on just how evil people can be.

I haven’t watched video or read manifesto and I’m not going to because that’s what people like this want. They want to be significant.

Assuming what you’re saying is accurate, this is why I’m generally a cynical asshole. I saw people cheering 9/11 around the world on news broadcasts as a young kid and I remember feeling white hot rage... I wanted the US to bomb the fuck out of any place with people celebrating mass murder and terrosim.

Fast forward to 2019, and I feel like anyone watching a live stream of mass murder and “laughing” should be... I don’t know, arrested? My darker tendencies say round them all up and put a bullet in their heads and society won’t miss them. I truly believe that about 20% of people on this planet could be classified as evil. That means we have a billion evil people in this world of varying degrees, and there is no solution. There never has been one and there never will be one. The best we can do is make it hard for these people to do what they do, but that’s a half measure. It’s so depressing.

 

[drayer54]

I haven’t watched video or read manifesto and I’m not going to because that’s what people like this want. They want to be significant.

Assuming what you’re saying is accurate, this is why I’m generally a cynical asshole. I saw people cheering 9/11 around the world on news broadcasts as a young kid and I remember feeling white hot rage... I wanted the US to bomb the fuck out of any place with people celebrating mass murder and terrosim.

Fast forward to 2019, and I feel like anyone watching a live stream of mass murder and “laughing” should be... I don’t know, arrested? My darker tendencies say round them all up and put a bullet in their heads and society won’t miss them. I truly believe that about 20% of people on this planet could be classified as evil. That means we have a billion evil people in this world of varying degrees, and there is no solution. There never has been one and there never will be one. The best we can do is make it hard for these people to do what they do, but that’s a half measure. It’s so depressing.

There lies the problem. How do we rid the world of evil? How do we convince people that violence against those who differ in opinion or religion is not needed?

The problem I see is that the web connects these loonies, they get attention, and they get de-sensitized not to mention the forces that drive division and hostile rhetoric.

We can't ban our way out of this.

 

[NorthDakota]

There lies the problem. How do we rid the world of evil? How do we convince people that violence against those who differ in opinion or religion is not needed?

The problem I see is that the web connects these loonies, they get attention, and they get de-sensitized not to mention the forces that drive division and hostile rhetoric.

We can't ban our way out of this.

My (imperfect) solution is to extend freedom to defend oneself.

It's horrible what happened in New Zealand. It's horrible when Hamas launches rockets. It's horrible when Boko Haram or whatever they are called and Al Shabab kill folks in Africa. The dude in Norway a few years back, very bad. The people who shot Gifford and Scalise, very bad.

I work for the Feds. They cant and shouldn't control everything. These sorts of things can be dealt with on a local level.

 

[Irish YJ]

I haven’t watched video or read manifesto and I’m not going to because that’s what people like this want. They want to be significant.

Assuming what you’re saying is accurate, this is why I’m generally a cynical asshole. I saw people cheering 9/11 around the world on news broadcasts as a young kid and I remember feeling white hot rage... I wanted the US to bomb the fuck out of any place with people celebrating mass murder and terrosim.

Fast forward to 2019, and I feel like anyone watching a live stream of mass murder and “laughing” should be... I don’t know, arrested? My darker tendencies say round them all up and put a bullet in their heads and society won’t miss them. I truly believe that about 20% of people on this planet could be classified as evil. That means we have a billion evil people in this world of varying degrees, and there is no solution. There never has been one and there never will be one. The best we can do is make it hard for these people to do what they do, but that’s a half measure. It’s so depressing.

There are definitely evil people out there. I bought into the "everyone has good in them" in my wee early years. Didn't take me long though to see it's simply not true. Not sure I'd put it at 20%, but agree there's a lot. And yes, depressing.

 

[Irish#1]

My (imperfect) solution is to extend freedom to defend oneself.

It's horrible what happened in New Zealand. It's horrible when Hamas launches rockets. It's horrible when Boko Haram or whatever they are called and Al Shabab kill folks in Africa. The dude in Norway a few years back, very bad. The people who shot Gifford and Scalise, very bad.

I work for the Feds. They cant and shouldn't control everything. These sorts of things can be dealt with on a local level.

The local authorities may not have the money and resources to handle this.

 

[Irishize]

The local authorities may not have the money and resources to handle this.

Cities like NYC & Chicago have the money & resources but they’ve chosen to squander it on failed programs. How many times can these mayors & city officials go back to the well for more confiscatory taxes before a mass exodus occurs? What a shame.

 

[Irish YJ]

Cities like NYC & Chicago have the money & resources but they’ve chosen to squander it on failed programs. How many times can these mayors & city officials go back to the well for more confiscatory taxes before a mass exodus occurs? What a shame.

NYC has actually done a pretty good job of lowering crime, if you believe the statistics. They do pay for it though. IIRC, they are top 5 (total law enforcement employees) per captia, and pretty sure easily the largest force in the US.

For many years we/ve seen claims that NYC mayors and police chiefs are fudging and massaging data. We all know NYC is one of the most corrupt cities in the US, so shouldn't shock anyone.

Funny the correlation between crime, police force size, political lean, and corruption. Here's the list of most corrupt cities in the US.
1. Chicago
2. LA
3. NYC
4. DC
5. Miami
6. Newark
7. Cleveland
8. Philly
9. Richmond
10. Brooklyn

 

[drayer54]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I sure see a lot of people who like to say "nobody is coming for your guns" celebrating this confiscation effort. <a href="https://t.co/e3quZ8v7gi">https://t.co/e3quZ8v7gi</a></p>— Stephen Gutowski (@StephenGutowski) <a href="https://twitter.com/StephenGutowski/status/1108722305180622848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irishize]

NYC has actually done a pretty good job of lowering crime, if you believe the statistics. They do pay for it though. IIRC, they are top 5 (total law enforcement employees) per captia, and pretty sure easily the largest force in the US.

For many years we/ve seen claims that NYC mayors and police chiefs are fudging and massaging data. We all know NYC is one of the most corrupt cities in the US, so shouldn't shock anyone.

Funny the correlation between crime, police force size, political lean, and corruption. Here's the list of most corrupt cities in the US.
1. Chicago
2. LA
3. NYC
4. DC
5. Miami
6. Newark
7. Cleveland
8. Philly
9. Richmond
10. Brooklyn

I was speaking more to NYC’s fiscal policies as they are following in the footsteps of Chicago. When the governor is worried about the millionaires moving out of NYC b/c they foot the largest part of the tax bill, you know it’s getting bad.

 

[Irish YJ]

I was speaking more to NYC’s fiscal policies as they are following in the footsteps of Chicago. When the governor is worried about the millionaires moving out of NYC b/c they foot the largest part of the tax bill, you know it’s getting bad.

yup that's why most folks are leaving Cali, NY, and NJ...
but hey, they'll be fine with all the wealth leaving. we all now illegals are great for the economy.

 

[Legacy]

In Texas, the state that annually leads the nation in population growth, red flag laws are overwhelming favored by its citizens. Their House passed a bill requiring universal background checks. Should that pass the Senate, Abbott, who gets significant contributions from the NRA, will veto it obstruct the will of their citizens. As far as NRA donations to the Texas Congressional Delegation,
The NRA Spends a Lot of Money on the Texas Congressional Delegation

 

[drayer54]

In Texas, the state that annually leads the nation in population growth, red flag laws are overwhelming favored by its citizens. Their House passed a bill requiring universal background checks. Should that pass the Senate, Abbott, who gets significant contributions from the NRA, will veto it obstruct the will of their citizens. As far as NRA donations to the Texas Congressional Delegation,
The NRA Spends a Lot of Money on the Texas Congressional Delegation

The gun-control lobby outspent the NRA last election. Red flag laws are often poorly represented in guided polling to work against gun freedoms.

 

[NorthDakota]

The gun-control lobby outspent the NRA last election. Red flag laws are often poorly represented in guided polling to work against gun freedoms.

I also LMAO anytime someone says UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS. We already got those fam. If you want to buy a gun from the store, you gotta pass a background check.

 

[Legacy]

I also LMAO anytime someone says UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS. We already got those fam. If you want to buy a gun from the store, you gotta pass a background check.

You know what universal background checks are, N D, as do almost every responsible gun owning American. What the Texas House passed is in the article.

 

[Irish YJ]

I also LMAO anytime someone says UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS. We already got those fam. If you want to buy a gun from the store, you gotta pass a background check.

Passing something is never going to stop private sales. The only people that would follow would be the people you don't have to worry about in the first place.

theoretically i'm fine with a universal check, but we all know the Fed will royally mismanage it, and also try to use it as a lifetime tracking mechanism. at what point then will we be required to have yearly inspections, and then a yearly tax... we all know where they want this to go.

 

[NorthDakota]

Passing something is never going to stop private sales. The only people that would follow would be the people you don't have to worry about in the first place.

theoretically i'm fine with a universal check, but we all know the Fed will royally mismanage it, and also try to use it as a lifetime tracking mechanism. at what point then will we be required to have yearly inspections, and then a yearly tax... we all know where they want this to go.

Yep, no thanks. Keep the Feds out of my life please.

 

[Irishize]

Passing something is never going to stop private sales. The only people that would follow would be the people you don't have to worry about in the first place.

theoretically i'm fine with a universal check, but we all know the Fed will royally mismanage it, and also try to use it as a lifetime tracking mechanism. at what point then will we be required to have yearly inspections, and then a yearly tax... we all know where they want this to go.

Exactly. Like someone posted earlier...”notice all the supporters who applaud New Zealand’s outright ban are the same ones saying they’re not coming for America’s guns...just commonsense gun law”

 

[Irish YJ]

Exactly. Like someone posted earlier...”notice all the supporters who applaud New Zealand’s outright ban are the same ones saying they’re not coming for America’s guns...just commonsense gun law”

just had a good conversation with my mother today. she was a lifelong dem who is now one of the biggest critics of dems. she was bitching about of few policies, and i brought up that she had voted for 55+ years for people that had been advancing those types of policy. she realizes that she ignored all the policy "creep" over the years.

"common sense" would be wonderful if they'd use it honestly, instead of a dishonest means of continual policy advancement.

 

[Legacy]

At memorial, mosque survivor says he forgives attacker (AP)

CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand (AP) — A man who survived New Zealand’s mosque attacks told a crowd of about 20,000 people on Friday that he forgives the terrorist who killed his wife and 49 others.

Farid Ahmed was speaking at a national remembrance service held in Christchurch to commemorate those who died in the attacks two weeks ago.

“I don’t want to have a heart that is boiling like a volcano,” Ahmed said. “A volcano has anger, fury, rage. It doesn’t have peace. It has hatred. It burns itself within, and also it burns the surroundings. I don’t want to have a heart like this.”

Ahmed said that while he didn’t agree with the gunman’s actions, his Muslim faith taught him that even the terrorist was his brother.

The name of Ahmed’s wife, Husna Ahmed, was among the 50 read out by members of the Muslim community during a solemn part of the service....

Farid Ahmed was inside the Al Noor Mosque on Deans Ave when a gunman opened fire. He uses a wheelchair and was unable to flee, but still survived the attack. His wife ran from the mosque when the gunman opened fire but was fatally shot when she went back inside to try and save Ahmed.

Ahmed said his faith means he sees the gunman as his brother.
"I cannot deny the fact that he is my human brother, each human being is my brother, is my sister.
"This is my faith, and this is what Allah has taught me. That's why I do not hate him, and I cannot hate him.
"I cannot hate anyone."

 

[ulukinatme]

If only all Muslims felt as Farid does.

 

[Legacy]

If only all Muslims felt as Farid does.

Thomas Merton:

The whole idea of compassion is based on a keen awareness of the interdependence of all these living beings, which are all part of one another, and all involved in one another.

Similarly, if only all Christians felt as Merton did. Compassion and forgiveness crosses cultural and religious distinctions.

 

[Legacy]

On gun rights/gun control developments

On gun rights/gun control developments

Supreme Court rejects gun rights advocates over bump stocks (Reuters)

Defiant U.S. sheriffs push gun sanctuaries, imitating liberals on immigration (Reuters)

Two sources on the same news:
With lack of movement on “constitutional carry” bill, gun rights advocate visits homes of House Speaker Dennis Bonnen, other members (Texas Tribune)

A gun rights activist, allegedly angry over the lack of movement on a “constitutional carry” proposal at the Texas Legislature, visited the home of House Speaker Dennis Bonnen last week and was intercepted by officers with the Department of Public Safety.

The news was first reported by The Facts, a newspaper located in Brazoria County, which Bonnen represents. Chris McNutt, executive director of the nonprofit group Texas Gun Rights, last week visited Bonnen’s home in Lake Jackson, which was already under surveillance by state troopers after the man posted to social media his visits to other lawmakers’ homes

Bonnen, according to Hearst Newspapers, called McNutt’s move “gutless.”.

Bonnen was in Austin the day of McNutt’s visit as the lower chamber debated its proposed state budget for 2020-21, though the Angleton Republican’s 14-year-old-son was home at the time of the gun rights advocate’s arrival. The day before, McNutt had documented on Facebook his travel to neighborhoods where Republican state Reps. Dustin Burrows and Four Price reside in Lubbock and Amarillo, respectively.

Texas House Speaker declares 'constitutional carry' gun bill dead after gun-rights activist shows up at his home (Fox)

Texas House Speaker Dennis Bonnen declared Friday that a “constitutional carry” gun bill was dead after a gun rights activist showed up at his Houston-area home to advocate for it.

Chris McNutt, executive director of Texas Gun Rights and a supporter of the legislation that would allow Texans to carry firearms without a license, showed up to Bonnen’s home in Lake Jackson on Wednesday to question why the bill had stalled, according to the Dallas Morning News.

Bonnen, a Republican, was in the state capital of Austin but his wife teenage sons were inside the home. He said McNutt's actions were a demonstration of "insanity" and called him an "overzealous advocate for criminals to get a gun."

"If you want to talk about issues and you want to advocate, you do it in this building. You don’t do it at our residences," Bonnen said. "Threats and intimidation will never advance your issue. Their issue is dead."

 

[drayer54]

Texas House Speaker declares 'constitutional carry' gun bill dead after gun-rights activist shows up at his home (Fox)

So your principles and positions go out the window when some idiot doesn't play nice? What about the rest of the people in your state?

The reality is that CC is a hot button for many and they don't want to touch it. This RINO used a nutbag as his excuse. That said, the pro-gun movement is an absolute mess.

 

[NorthDakota]

So your principles and positions go out the window when some idiot doesn't play nice? What about the rest of the people in your state?

The reality is that CC is a hot button for many and they don't want to touch it. This RINO used a nutbag as his excuse. That said, the pro-gun movement is an absolute mess.

The pro gun movement has plenty of reason to be a little nuts.

When the other side is pretty vocal about an endgame resulting in basically no guns other than the bolt action I got in my closet, pretty easy to lose your mind.

 

[drayer54]

The pro-gun movement has plenty of reason to be a little nuts.

When the other side is pretty vocal about an endgame resulting in basically no guns other than the bolt action I got in my closet, pretty easy to lose your mind.

What I mean is that we have the NRA, which is doing a great job at some things and terrible at others while under attack from liberal interest groups.

Then you have purists, donors, whatever, going after the NRA from the right and pushing groups like GOA and scam orgs that want to raise money off emotional gun owners.

We can't get aligned, meanwhile, the anti-gunners are united. It's a real mess.

 

[Irish#1]

The pro gun movement has plenty of reason to be a little nuts.

When the other side is pretty vocal about an endgame resulting in basically no guns other than the bolt action I got in my closet, pretty easy to lose your mind.

Hard to convince those on the left and middle when you don't act rationally.

What I mean is that we have the NRA, which is doing a great job at some things and terrible at others while under attack from liberal interest groups.

Then you have purists, donors, whatever, going after the NRA from the right and pushing groups like GOA and scam orgs that want to raise money off emotional gun owners.

We can't get aligned, meanwhile, the anti-gunners are united. It's a real mess.

Easy for the anti's to get united. They're against all guns. Some gun owners don't support auto or semi-auto weapons.

 

[drayer54]

Many people who hold zero value in the 2A and want strict gun-control won't be able to hide anymore when this radical view hits the stage.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do you want to protect our children's right to go to school without fear? <br>The right for a mom to hug her son when he comes home? <br>The right for a dad to know his daughter can learn safely?<br><br>Join me and let's BAN and BUY BACK assault weapons: <a href="https://t.co/dniYybKuMm">https://t.co/dniYybKuMm</a></p>— Eric Swalwell (@ericswalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/ericswalwell/status/1116122438809587712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Polish Leppy 22]

Many people who hold zero value in the 2A and want strict gun-control won't be able to hide anymore when this radical view hits the stage.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do you want to protect our children's right to go to school without fear? <br>The right for a mom to hug her son when he comes home? <br>The right for a dad to know his daughter can learn safely?<br><br>Join me and let's BAN and BUY BACK assault weapons: <a href="https://t.co/dniYybKuMm">https://t.co/dniYybKuMm</a></p>— Eric Swalwell (@ericswalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/ericswalwell/status/1116122438809587712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Let's start asking the leftists what they DON'T want to control. So far I've got...

1) universal Pre K

2) K-12 education

3) universal basic income

4) healthcare

5) transportation

6) retirement

7) gun control

8) banking

9) can't forget...climate

 

[Legacy]

So your principles and positions go out the window when some idiot doesn't play nice? What about the rest of the people in your state?

The reality is that CC is a hot button for many and they don't want to touch it. This RINO used a nutbag as his excuse. That said, the pro-gun movement is an absolute mess.

Trump tells NRA he’s withdrawing from arms trade treaty
(AP)

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — In a largely symbolic gesture to a group that helped him win the White House, President Donald Trump said Friday he is pulling the U.S. back from an international agreement on the arms trade, telling the National Rifle Association the treaty is “badly misguided.”

Trump made the announcement at the NRA’s annual convention, where he vowed to fight for gun rights and implored members of the nation’s largest pro-gun group — struggling to maintain its influence — to rally behind his re-election bid.

“It’s under assault,” he said of the constitutional right to bear arms. “But not while we’re here.”...

Congress should block rule changes for firearm exports (Opinion piece, The Hill)

As the nation is reminded of the tragic consequences of gun violence with the one-year anniversary of the Parkland school shooting, the Trump administration is pushing forward with plans to expedite the export abroad of the same kind of military-style weapons used in many of the mass shootings that have taken place in recent years.

These are not the commodities that the United States should make easier to export.

Congress can and should stop the changes, which would put the Department of Commerce in charge of regulating these exports, removing them from the State Department-led U.S. Munitions List (USML).

At the core of these proposed changes is the mistaken belief that firearms do not merit tighter scrutiny under the State Department-led munitions control list because they are neither high-tech nor do they provide unique military advantages.

Of course, the changes would also make it easier for gun manufacturers to sell and profit from these weapons transfers....

 

[NorthDakota]

Trump tells NRA he’s withdrawing from arms trade treaty
(AP)


Congress should block rule changes for firearm exports (Opinion piece, The Hill)

What's a military style weapon? I quit reading as soon as I saw that lmao.