All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

[ACamp1900]

Also for anyone bashing the prequels (which is easy to do), go watch the duel of the fates again. This might be the most memorable scene in all of Star Wars behind "I am your father!"

 

[greyhammer90]

I'd argue that Rogue One is more relevant than what they tried to do with Return of the Jedi.

Nothing about Jedi made any goddamn sense.

Nothing in Star Wars makes sense, and the faster people come to terms with that the happier everyone will be. Jedi was relevant because it largely the completed the hero's journey for Luke. Rouge One told a story that didn't need telling. I can confidently say that because the series managed to go around 40 years before explaning how the Rebels got the Death Star plans and no one cared. That's why it's irrelevant. Why I dislike it, though, is a different story.

 

[greyhammer90]

How can you dislike Rogue 1? Despite knowing everyone will die before watching a second of it, the characters were actually developed to a level that had me invested in their fates. That is pretty good story telling. Also the look and feel of Rogue 1 was so original trilogy - the nostalgia was real.

 

[ulukinatme]

If you have positive opinions of the prequels, you need to watch the entire Red Letter Media series where they break it down in humorous fashion:

Part 1 of Phantom Menace
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[IrishLion]

Nothing in Star Wars makes sense, and the faster people come to terms with that the happier everyone will be. Jedi was relevant because it largely the completed the hero's journey for Luke. Rouge One told a story that didn't need telling. I can confidently say that because the series managed to go around 40 years before explaning how the Rebels got the Death Star plans and no one cared. That's why it's irrelevant. Why I dislike it, though, is a different story.

Oh I'm aware lol. It's sci-fi/fantasy in space, it's all ridiculous. I enjoy them all for their own reasons (even Attack of the Clones... Padme's white outfit). I wasn't butthurt about TLJ because I was entertained by the spectacle, even if it didn't make sense, and the social justice thing doesn't annoy me because it's no less hokie/cheesy/eye-roll-inducing than the Ewoks doing their thing.

I enjoy Rogue One not because of nostalgia, but because I thought it captured the general Star Wars atmosphere better than even the OT, based on modern movie-making technology. I was in awe when the accurately portrayed the scale of the firing dish (?) being put into place on the Death Star.

And even though the story didn't *need* to be told, it's still a plot that makes more sense than RotJ, so I'll give it its due.

 

[zelezo vlk]

If you have positive opinions of the prequels, you need to watch the entire Red Letter Media series where they break it down in humorous fashion:

Part 1 of Phantom Menace
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I literally sat a friend down to watch this the other day because he kept insisting that the sequel movies have been the worst of any Star Wars films.

 

[IrishLion]

Rewatching/reading Darth Jar Jar theories.

I'm down the rabbit hole for the afternoon now.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Star Wars may be the last great ubiquitous big screen phenomenon. And its largely because nothing will ever again resonate with such a large and diverse group of people. There are so many options now. And just as many critics. Reading reviews or message boards about anything will ultimately uncover flaws or holes you have never caught. Its all just entertainment at the end of the day.

 

[BabyIrish]

If you have positive opinions of the prequels, you need to watch the entire Red Letter Media series where they break it down in humorous fashion:

Part 1 of Phantom Menace
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I hate movie reviewers like these guys, if they're so good at reviewing movies then why and the hell don't they have jobs actually making movies?

 

[greyhammer90]

Star Wars may be the last great ubiquitous big screen phenomenon. And its largely because nothing will ever again resonate with such a large and diverse group of people. There are so many options now. And just as many critics. Reading reviews or message boards about anything will ultimately uncover flaws or holes you have never caught. Its all just entertainment at the end of the day.

I was onboard until the ghost puppet made Force lightning to burn a building. An apparition's ability to physically affect things wasn't clearly established in the lore, and I said "Well this is ridiculous now. I'm just going to have to go back to the originals where things weren't so silly. What is this, for kids? I'm just trying to make sure the established rules are followed in this super serious universe."

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I was onboard until the ghost puppet made Force lightening to burn a building. An apparition's ability to physically affect things wasn't clearly established in the lore, and I said "Well this is ridiculous now. I'm just going to have to go back to the originals where things weren't so silly. What is this, for kids? I'm just trying to make sure the established rules are followed in this super serious universe."

Ha, well the Ewoks were bad mofos, they took out an entire legion of the Empires best troops with sticks and stones.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I hate movie reviewers like these guys, if they're so good at reviewing movies then why and the hell don't they have jobs actually making movies?

Roger Ebert wrote terrible films but was an excellent critic. The RLM guys actually know what they're talking about while breaking down these films.

 

[gkIrish]

I was onboard until the ghost puppet made Force lightning to burn a building. An apparition's ability to physically affect things wasn't clearly established in the lore, and I said "Well this is ridiculous now. I'm just going to have to go back to the originals where things weren't so silly. What is this, for kids? I'm just trying to make sure the established rules are followed in this super serious universe."

All your recent posts are riddled with false equivalences. You seem to think that because there were some scenes in the original trilogy that were silly then we are supposed to accept anything that happens in the sequels because "Star Wars is inherently a space opera where anything is possible".

 

[BabyIrish]

Roger Ebert wrote terrible films but was an excellent critic. The RLM guys actually know what they're talking about while breaking down these films.

I disagree, but to each his own. I've personally enjoyed every Star Wars movie, besides 2 and 8. Have yet to see Solo though.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I disagree, but to each his own. I've personally enjoyed every Star Wars movie, besides 2 and 8. Have yet to see Solo though.

Dont get your hope too high. It's still worth the watch though.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

All your recent posts are riddled with false equivalences. You seem to think that because there were some scenes in the original trilogy that were silly then we are supposed to accept anything that happens in the sequels because "Star Wars is inherently a space opera where anything is possible".

Well Han did the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs, so...yeah.

 

[ACamp1900]

Well Han did the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs, so...yeah.

Sure feels less impressive after he figure 8'd right out of hyperspace ten feet in front of a plant/base and landed like it was nothing but hey...

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Sure feels less impressive after he figure 8'd right out of hyperspace ten feet in front of a plant/base and landed like it was nothing but hey...

He was much more...experienced... and technology...yeah you're right it was pretty impressive. Plus that plan sure was whipped together fairly quickly, but they had the help of their former garbage man so it makes sense.

 

[greyhammer90]

All your recent posts are riddled with false equivalences. You seem to think that because there were some scenes in the original trilogy that were silly then we are supposed to accept anything that happens in the sequels because "Star Wars is inherently a space opera where anything is possible".

Nope. I'm well aware of the difference between "fantastical" and "internally inconsistent." It's just that I cannot take the people who act genuinely offended over a failure to be internally consistent in a Star Wars film in 2019 seriously. Star Wars has never been internally consistent or particularly grounded in its own rules, and fanboys trying to act offended over it is hilarious. It's always made things up as convenient for the story.

Imagine for one second if people took the same level of nitpicky vitriolic toxicity to the Original Trilogy as they did for the most recent movie. Heck, lets just take the Empire Strikes Back (the one most everyone thinks is the best one):

"Wait so Obi Wan Kenobi can astral project himself now? Why didn't he do that in the last movie? How is there any consequence for him dying then? If he can do that why doesn't he use that more? Does this mean he could just pop up wherever he wants? Wait, the Star Destroyers ALL went in range of the ion cannon on Hoth? Nobody stayed behind to pick up the escaping rebels? Seems like a terrible strategy for a supposed " well trained imperial fleet". Um, so the Millenium Falcon (established to be a hunk of junk) is able to take direct shots from several Star Destroyers (basically huge battleships) at once and its shields can take all that? Pfft. Wait, they are able to get OUT of the ship and walk around on an asteroid wearing only masks and no suits? Hold on, there's a big spaceworm in the rocks? WHAT WOULD IT EVEN EAT?! So Yoda has just been hanging out here all this time and has not been helping anyone? That's so against his character! Wait, since when can Luke jump twenty-five feet in the air?! That wasn't previously established! DARTH VADER IS HIS DAD? Ben Kenobi wouldn't lie to Luke! Irvin Kershner has RUINED my childhood. Who let this HACK direct?"

It's one thing to say "hey that doesn't make sense." That's a pretty normal critique and is common in nearly every Star Wars release. It's another thing to say "OMG this thing retroactively ruined my childhood and ruined the series forever" because you've read too many Wookiepedia articles and have forgotten that this series makes things up to justify its story constantly.

 

[ACamp1900]

He was much more...experienced... and technology...yeah you're right it was pretty impressive. Plus that plan sure was whipped together fairly quickly, but they had the help of their former garbage man so it makes sense.

Well he was apparently just sitting around like Luke doing jack shit for decades while billions died in large part due to his actions so coming up with a solid plan was the only thing one of the greatest heroes of our generation could do I guess..........

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Nope. I'm well aware of the difference between "fantastical" and "internally inconsistent." It's just that I cannot take the people who act genuinely offended over a failure to be internally consistent in a Star Wars film in 2019 seriously. Star Wars has never been internally consistent or particularly grounded in its own rules, and fanboys trying to act offended over it is hilarious. It's always made things up as convenient for the story.

Imagine for one second if people took the same level of nitpicky vitriolic toxicity to the Original Trilogy as they did for the most recent movie. Heck, lets just take the Empire Strikes Back (the one most everyone thinks is the best one):


It's one thing to say "hey that doesn't make sense." That's a pretty normal critique and is common in nearly every Star Wars release. It's another thing to say "OMG this thing retroactively ruined my childhood and ruined the series forever" because you've read too many Wookiepedia articles and have forgotten that this series makes things up to justify its story constantly.

I love that embedded analysis. And this supports a point I made earlier. We (collectively as a culture) nitpick everything and tear apart every detail of any big event, movie, sports team, politician, etc on every available platform in an almost self-righteous sort of fashion. Fortunately for all of us, the original trilogy was not subject to this same type of critique otherwise it would have been ruined in our impressionable minds like so many other things in the 21st century.

I love Star Wars. I love fantasy sci-fi. I don't care if everything is internally consistent. That would be nearly impossible to pull off for a film set in a galaxy far, far away. Maybe Rey could do it though, she's flawless.

 

[ACamp1900]

It's more reading grey's garbage IE posts that ruins my childhood than anything SW or wookiepedia...

 

[Sea Turtle]

John Boyega and the guy who plays Poe are so bad in these movies that I can only watch them once.

Boyega's arrogant attitude off screen doesn't help either. Evidently, he's done with star Wars because it wasn't written exactly how he wanted it to be. He may consider a star Wars spinoff movie role, however. Maybe. So we may be blessed with his appearance again someday

Oh and every movie and series must have several black actors in it......even if it takes place in ancient Scandinavia.

Oh and if you disagree with him on anything......you're a racist.

 

[greyhammer90]

It's more reading grey's garbage IE posts that ruins my childhood than anything SW or wookiepedia...

I do what I can. Inb4 Lax's essay on how tLJ is proven to give cancer in small doses.

 

[IrishLax]

I do what I can. Inb4 Lax's essay on how tLJ is proven to give cancer in small doses.

The Last Jedi is literally AIDS. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

 

[greyhammer90]

The Last Jedi is literally AIDS. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

Grade: F. Citations needed.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

John Boyega and the guy who plays Poe are so bad in these movies that I can only watch them once.

Boyega's arrogant attitude off screen doesn't help either. Evidently, he's done with star Wars because it wasn't written exactly how he wanted it to be. He may consider a star Wars spinoff movie role, however. Maybe. So we may be blessed with his appearance again someday

Oh and every movie and series must have several black actors in it......even if it takes place in ancient Scandinavia.

Oh and if you disagree with him on anything......you're a racist.

"How do we do this, you talk first, I talk first?"

"Droid please!"

 

[ulukinatme]

John Boyega and the guy who plays Poe are so bad in these movies that I can only watch them once.

Boyega's arrogant attitude off screen doesn't help either. Evidently, he's done with star Wars because it wasn't written exactly how he wanted it to be. He may consider a star Wars spinoff movie role, however. Maybe. So we may be blessed with his appearance again someday

Oh and every movie and series must have several black actors in it......even if it takes place in ancient Scandinavia.

Oh and if you disagree with him on anything......you're a racist.

I don't know about all that, he's seemed rather down to earth to me (Other than a recent interview where he interviewed himself...weird) but in related news Boyega admitted that he was the one that accidentally leaked the final script to the public. He left it lying under his bed and the person that cleans his house found it or something and put it on Ebay. Disney bought the auction to keep it out of the public's hands. So...good job with that.

 

[zelezo vlk]

The Last Jedi is literally AIDS. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

 

[ulukinatme]

FWIW, Return of the Jedi is my favorite movie in the series, followed closely by Empire Strikes Back. I acknowledge that Empire has the most iconic scene with the Vader/Luke reveal, and that is certainly the best moment, but I just enjoy Return of the Jedi more (Ewoks aside).

Supposedly the Ewoks were supposed to be Wookiees (And would have made more sense in taking down the Empire's army), but for budget purposes or some shit they got changed. Hey, a bunch of little people got jobs as a result, and it catapulted Warwick Davis' career so some good came of it. In any case, I enjoy the epic space battle from RotJ, it blows the original Death Star battle out of the water. The speeder bike chase on Endor was epic. The confrontation with Luke and the Emperor and Vader was memorable. Even the Tatooine sequence was cool, and it gave us Carrie Fisher in the slave outfit which was icing on the cake. Again, I acknowledge that Empire is the better film, but Jedi is still my favorite. Even the ending was cool, with the force ghosts showing up one last time...screw Lucas for messing with that original scene.

So yeah...just remember that without RotJ we never get Warwick Davis, who Lucas later created Willow for...and that led to Val Kilmer's greatest role as Madmartigan.

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