All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

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I didn't even think about this whole lack of a back story for why Luke went crazy. You're absolutely right. He went from seeing the iota of good in people to "having a moment of weakness" where almost killed his nephew. This implies Luke was already struggling with some serious shit before this moment. We get none of that. Now it's possible they do a side movie that explains this more but as it stands the audience has to just accept that Luke is a crazy hermit.

Again, I completely agree that it seems like Rian Johnson saw the OT once 15 years ago.

Am I on crazy pills??
People complain about Rian "having never seen the OT"...Yet, we're calling the Luke situation, far fetched???

Did Obi-won/Yoda not to the same deal? Where they not both called isolates/crazy?

Again, if any faults, it Rian being too close to OT.
 
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We have as much knowledge of Snoke as we did about Palatine in the OT. and it wasnt BLAM he is in charge..... there was a 30 year gap in sthe story and we dont know what happened., and that is ok. it really is.....

It would be okay if it weren't a part of a larger complete remake of A New Hope (which I think everyone agrees with?) and he wasn't killed off before you figured out why is was supposed to be so intimidating. His death wasn't exactly showing a guy who could play his hand properly and take control of what the Empire left over. It all adds up to a failure of a character, is what I'm getting at.

Still waiting on any Knights of Ren references in the movie. I think Rian Johnson forget about that page when he skimmed the TFA script.

Palpatine had one scene in ESB and 20 minutes in ROTJ. And guess what... literally no one hated ROTJ becasue they didnt flesh out Paplatine's character before hand, we just wer eprivy that someone was pulling the Empire's strings. Dime to a dollar we get more back story/info on Snoke later in a book or such. Or a animated series that takes place between Episode VI and VII. I dont think it is as lazy as you claim.

Well I am of a strict opinion that the movies should do the bulk of the explaining. To force a fan to buy other media to explain large parts of the saga is just stupid, in my opinion. If they want cartoons that complement the movies (Clone Wars), I have no problem with that.

Nobody cared about the Emperor because his mysterious background wasn't inserted into the story. Snoke was. It's really that simple. What little we knew about the Emperor was enough to get the point across that he was one bad mofo. Snoke's character, from his lack of background to his death, is simply a bad character. It's probably why Johnson killed him off. It's like Johnson's Kylo Ren was saying "let the past die. kill it if you have to" or whatever.
 
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Am I on crazy pills??
People complain about Rian "having never seen the OT"...Yet, we're calling the Luke situation, far fetched???

Did Obi-won/Yoda not to the same deal? Where they not both called isolates/crazy?

Again, if any faults, it Rian being too close to OT.

Both Obi-Wan and Yoda went into hermitage to avoid death and capture from Vader, as they worked to oversee the New Hope who could save the galaxy.

That New Hope then does a complete 180 and tries to kill a guy who is 51/49 dark side and goes into hermitage not to oversee someone who can save the galaxy, but to die and end the Jedi. It's the polar opposite of OT Luke. Some call it development, I think it's bad story telling and very lazy.
 

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Is that what you thought? I saw it as him being a failed master and he left in search of answers and exiled himself so he could not be sought out to teach anyone any more.

Recall Yoda and Luke's discussion about master/apprentice teachings.

Either he is a crazy hermit and the milk chugging scene has some semblance of sense or he is just hiding away. Idk what we are supposed to think.

Is the Luke at the end of ROTJ the same guy as we saw when he was considering killing his nephew? Because we know nothing about everything in between. If you agree with me that they are very different people then maybe you'll agree with me that we completely lack any explanation as to how we went from ROTJ Luke to TLJ Luke. I would have liked some explanation but he is dead now so i don't know if we ever get it.
 
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Either he is a crazy hermit and the milk chugging scene has some semblance of sense or he is just hiding away. Idk what we are supposed to think.

Is the Luke at the end of ROTJ the same guy as we saw when he was considering killing his nephew? Because we know nothing about everything in between. If you agree with me that they are very different people then maybe you'll agree with me that we completely lack any explanation as to how we went from ROTJ Luke to TLJ Luke. I would have liked some explanation but he is dead now so i don't know if we ever get it.

How about thinking a single solitary human being trying to survive on a very small island with limited resources.
 

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That didn't matter. It's okay to have a mysterious background. Not every question needs to be answered.

The difference is that Snoke was inserted to the story after the Emperor, with literally zero explanation as to his background. "Snoke is Snoke, just go with it." He has Palpatine's guards 2.0, sits in a throne room 2.0, lords over Vader 2.0 and is in charge of Empire 2.0. It's 2.0 everything, and we don't know anything about him, because it's lazy. And Rain Johnson killed him off because he was a weak character to begin with IMO.

We have six movies of pre-Snoke universe, and them BLAM he's in charge and he's the most powerful and good luck beating him--oh wait nvrm he dead. He is essentially an episodic comic book villain...because Disney turned the story into Marvel.



Why don't the Power Rangers join the show and really crank things up a notch?

Because it wouldn't make any sense, regardless of it being a fictional universe. Stories still have settings, and fictional universes still have assumed and insinuated laws. It doesn't mean directors can't expand on them, but when they add to them in a manner that doesn't mesh with the previous setting, it's a joke no matter how you slice it.

Honestly it felt like Rian Johnson didn't even watch TFA or watch the OT 1000x like he should have. The disconnects were that glaring. Luke Skywalker went from a trilogy based on redeeming someone who is 99% "dark side" because he senses that "there is still good in him" to a "hey let me kill my nephew before he's turns to a real baddie," despite showing us that he is much more conflicted than Vader ever was shown to be.
Who cares if they're 2.0? 2.0 makes sense. Nazism was defeated 70 years ago. Yet there are still neo-Nazis. Nazis 2.0. If the neo-Nazis ever gained political or military power, of course they'd have a Hitler 2.0 and a Goebbels 2.0 and an SS 2.0 and panzers 2.0 and U-boats 2.0. The First Order are just neo-Imperials.

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Your perspective basically confirms what I said earlier....there's nothing that could make you dislike this movie. You are willing to accept anything as possible because the Star Wars universe itself is not real.

No one is upset that Leia used the Force. That made a lot of sense. HOW she used the Force is what's crazy. I would have been upset if Luke did that same thing and just survived outer space like that. How in the world did the Emperor die when be could have just pulled himself towards something and save his life. He wasn't even injured! And then all he would need to do is float out of the Death Star into a TIE fighter nearby before it exploded. Do you see why the shit in this movie basically makes all the previous movies seem like bullshit now?

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I guarantee Luke Yoda and the Emperor could all have done the exact same thing Leia did IN OUTER SPACE!

If you can lift super heavy boulders/x-wings/weird viewing boxes the senators on Coruscant sit in on earth you can pull yourself towards something with zero resistance.

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She's not flying genius. Outer space, i.e. no gravity and no friction. You could literally fart in space and do the exact same thing she did.

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People are seriously defending Leia freaking Poppins?

Just lol

Bash it as a story element all you want, but it's blowing my mind that people are actually questioning if she would have been able to do it. That's probably the all time easiest thing anyone has used the force to do in Star Wars. If your powers are strong enough to pick up a pen you're more than capable of pulling off what she did.
 
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Bash it as a story element all you want, but it's blowing my mind that people are actually questioning if she would have been able to do it. That's probably the all time easiest thing anyone has used the force to do in Star Wars. If your powers are strong enough to pick up a pen you're more than capable of pulling off what she did.
For me it's the suspension of disbelief that she was drifting IN SPACE and just reeled herself back in. I know Star Wars isn't Apollo 13, but come on. It didn't need to be done. It was a movie sin done for what gain exactly?

Asteroid worms be damned, at least they wore masks while in its throat dealio.
 
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For me it's the suspension of disbelief that she was drifting IN SPACE and just reeled herself back in. I know Star Wars isn't Apollo 13, but come on. It didn't need to be done. It was a movie sin done for what gain exactly?

Asteroid worms be damned, at least they wore masks while in its throat dealio.

Yeah I understand the complaint as far that goes. I just think in reality she easily would have been able to do it. As Wiz said I think the idea was fine, the execution just looked....odd?

I think the scene probably works better if the missles hit the bridge and she puts a sort of force bubble around herself. Serves the same purpose of showing her force sensitivities without looking so strange.

Or maybe she never gets sucked out bc the missles hit another room, but she uses the force to reel Ackbar back in.

Either way though doesn't get her into the coma the movie needed to progress.
 

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Spot on piece of satire from someone over at /r/StarWars

So I just got back from the Original Trilogy and hoo boy, what a big piece of shit. I can't express how disappointed I am in these films that are full of plot holes.

First of all, there is just a ridiculous amount of cringy humor all over these movies, and they undercut serious moments. I mean, Han Solo saying "boring conversation anyways" when he shoots the intercom? They're in mortal danger, they have the entire base after them! And huge moments like the first time they finally rescue the princess they've been trying to rescue the whole movie and the first words out of her mouth is "aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" Not to mention in every single scene where they're supposed to be in danger, C-3PO is piping up with jokes as the stupid "comic relief."

Then Luke is supposed to be finding this great Jedi master, right, and it turns out it's a fucking puppet in a swamp who sounds like a goddamn Muppet and who just makes jokes all the time! He seems more interested in his food then teaching him the ways of the Force! These are supposed to be serious scenes in a serious film and instead they just want to joke, joke, joke. Ugh, just cringe everywhere.

Secondly, do they plan on explaining anything? I mean, OK, we've got the Rebels and the Empire. The Rebels are good because they say they're good and the Empire is bad because they say they're bad. That's great. How about explaining how the Empire came to be? Why the Rebels started fighting? None of this is ever explained over literally three movies. And the main villain, the guy who is obviously a big fucking deal, they never even tell you where he came from? He's just Emperor Palpatine and he's the Emperor because he's the Emperor. Uh, how about explaining how he became Emperor and how he became so powerful in the dark side of the Force? I mean, hello? He's the main bad guy! Seriously, they kill him and never explain who he is or where he came from. I guess now we'll never know.

I mean seriously, it feels like these could use three more films explaining all the shit that they didn't explain in these. I'd watch those, there's no way they could be bad.

Third, these films have no respect for canon. OK, so at the beginning of Empire Strikes Back, Luke is hanging upside down in a wampa cave. And he just reaches out and conveniently the lightsaber just flies into his hand? WTF? It hadn't been established that the Force can do this! Even Obi-Wan didn't do that, and Luke, who hasn't had a lick of actual training, is able to do it first try? Give me a fucking break with this bullshit.

Oh, speaking of Obi-Wan, they build him up in the entire first movie to be this badass, hell he even trained Luke's father supposedly. You know that he's one of the greatest Jedi (whatever a Jedi is, they don't even really explain that, LOL), and you're all ready for him to fuck some shit up. And he - get this - he turns his fucking lightsaber off rather than just fuck this dude up. He lets himself die. They seriously make Obi-Wan into a bitch, dude. I wanted to see him be a badass.

They just throw in twists for the sake of twists. It's like, Vader is Luke's dad, even though Obi-Wan explicitly said Vader killed his dad. Also Leia is Luke's sister? So like, Darth Vader was arresting his own daugher in ANH? They don't even have the same last name! I thought when Yoda said there was another it was gonna be Han Solo, they just shit all over the fan theories.

Then, get this, they destroy the Death Star, you know, the big goddamn base, at the end of the first one, and in the second one the Empire is just conveniently back with no explanation whatsoever? Again, how the hell did they get so powerful? You destroyed their main base and they just show up again like nothing happened!

And that doesn't even get into the ridiculous plot holes throughout the movies. The Empire apparently actually leaked the plans to the second Death Star to the Rebels on purpose so that the Rebels would show up and be slaughtered. But the Rebels end up destroying the Death Star anyways. So why would you give them the actual plans? Why not give them fake plans so even if they survived the trap somehow, they couldn't blow up the Death Star. Also, if the key to the Death Star is the shields, why would you leave like just a couple guys at the base down on Endor? That's the key to the whole thing!

Jabba, just push them off the skiff into the sarlaac! Better yet, just tie them up and shoot them and then there's no chance for them to escape! Tarkin, stop delaying and just fire the Death Star! It took Alderaan out in like two seconds, why does it take a damn year to power up now? It's just awful, everyone acts illogically the whole time.

Christ. You know, I just want to go to the movies to have fun. It's never happened once in my life, but I am sure someone out there will be able to do it. But it's not these movies, that's for damn sure. Avoid these big steaming turds at all costs.
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The Last Jedi was definitely all over the place and had a ton of missing content. I will say that I look at Kylo Ren's and Rey's enhanced abilities as a product of evolution. I suppose that offers some version of selfmade perspective that allows me to enjoy the movie.

Also, I am reserving hope that the next installment will shed some light on a lot of these unanswered questions that we all share.

And for the love of Chebacca's huge hair-covered dick, please tell us Rey's ancestors weren't f*ducking deadbeats like my family and reunite Kylo with the Knights of Ren!
 

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Probably going to see it again today but I really have no idea what is going to improve dramatically on second viewing. I'll report back.
 

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I’m not saying we should boycott all Rian Johnson movies from now on, but how about we just boycott all Rian Johnson movies from now on.
 
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A few changes I would have rather seen -

Ackbar should have been the one to take over the lead and pilot the light speed battering ram (which was pretty awesome BTW). It was his ship! Ackbar berating Poe would have carried a lot more weight than the random purple haired lady that only the most obscure fan boys know from the XYZ series. Epic move would have been Ackbar.

Where are the other trainees? Kylo supposedly took off with some of them yet they have been nowhere to be found. I will be disappointed if they do not resurface as loyalists to the new supreme leader to be dealt with. To that end - I really thought Rey was going to be a survivor that was dumped on Jakku after the temple was destroyed. Luke would have known her though and obviously did not.

Rey observing Finn checking on Rose was obviously supposed to set the stage for some jelly fighting in the next movie. That is such a no-contest. Bolder move is to put some love/hate tension on the Ben/Rey connection (put a shirt on) to make Finn the one we feel sorry for as a third wheel (like Solo stepping aside from Luke/Leia). Instead they are setting up Rose to be a groupie third wheel...low energy move. Such a crappy character - that would be like having Nien Nunb challenge Solo for Leia. Which is not even a good corollary b/c Nien Nunb is a good character.

Final battle should have been more involved. Give them better ships and take a few AT ATs out before making a run for it with Luke providing the same cover. So excited to see a modern Hoth like battle and fell short of potential, IMO, particularly after what felt like the entire movie was in space. Luke's projection battle was off the charts though so I can get over it.

Comedy - I didn't see anything that was offensive to me. Loved Poe busting Hux's balls. Porg scene with Chewy over the campfire was hilarious. Luke dusting off his shoulder was Doc Holiday level bad ass. Didn't get too hokey or cute - not like the Porgs were taking out Storm Troopers or anything.

Anyone rating this below any of the prequels needs a time out, IMO. They got so much right that I don't see how you can be so immensely butthurt about the rest. Looking forward to rewatching it this week.
 

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Ackbar should have been the one to take over the lead and pilot the light speed battering ram (which was pretty awesome BTW). It was his ship! Ackbar berating Poe would have carried a lot more weight than the random purple haired lady that only the most obscure fan boys know from the XYZ series. Epic move would have been Ackbar.
My bad on that one. It wasn't the Home One (MC80). It was the Raddus (MC85).
 

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I didn't realize that Ackbar was a character that any of you non-sweaties cared about. I assumed most people watched Rogue One thinking that Admiral Raddus was the "it's a trap" guy.
 
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