All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

[Cackalacky]

This Mandalorian Sword is Canon and is also a BAMF. In several of the cartoon episodes they fight Jedi and Sith with them.

 

[Cackalacky]

Can I just say that I'm tired of hearing about the EU? Even before Disney (rightly) squashed all of that stuff, I always felt that if it wasn't in a movie then it was just nerds talking amongst themselves. I'm actually annoyed that there are comics and cartoons and video games that are officially canon. It is too much to follow. I'm never going to read a comic book or play a video game, and I'm probably not watching 30 episodes of a cartoon, either. I am excited about the upcoming expanded universe that will be the Anthology Series, though.

This is not the Star Wars thread you are looking for.

 

[wizards8507]

Can I just say that I'm tired of hearing about the EU? Even before Disney (rightly) squashed all of that stuff, I always felt that if it wasn't in a movie then it was just nerds talking amongst themselves. I'm actually annoyed that there are comics and cartoons and video games that are officially canon. It is too much to follow. I'm never going to read a comic book or play a video game, and I'm probably not watching 30 episodes of a cartoon, either. I am excited about the upcoming expanded universe that will be the Anthology Series, though.

The cartoons are great.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

This Mandalorian Sword is Canon and is also a BAMF. In several of the cartoon episodes they fight Jedi and Sith Sith them.

Woah...is the Sith Sith canon?

 

[Rhode Irish]

This is not the Star Wars thread you are looking for.

IDK, I like talking about the movies. I even get the appeal of official books and tv shows, even though I can't invest that amount of time. It is the unofficial stuff that was just superfans making up their own things and putting out whole series of novels and stuff that I've always been totally disinterested in. It is basically fan fiction.

 

[greyhammer90]

IDK, I like talking about the movies. I even get the appeal of official books and tv shows, even though I can't invest that amount of time. It is the unofficial stuff that was just superfans making up their own things and putting out whole series of novels and stuff that I've always been totally disinterested in. It is basically fan fiction.

You realize the EU was official though? It's just been overridden recently.

 

[Cackalacky]

IDK, I like talking about the movies. I even get the appeal of official books and tv shows, even though I can't invest that amount of time. It is the unofficial stuff that was just superfans making up their own things and putting out whole series of novels and stuff that I've always been totally disinterested in. It is basically fan fiction.

But prior to the prequels, that stuff was as canonical as could be. Timothy Zhan worked a lot with Lucas on his books and a large portion of my child hood and adulthood was spent reading that material. The Thrawn Trilogy was great and I am pissed that no movies wil ever be made about it because now it's non Canon.

There was actually a lot of coordination between authors and Skywalker ranch with much of the material, Lucas just never got it corralled. Then he wrote his prequels which contradicted some parts of the EU. And somethings were retconned but still it was as much Canon as the movies were, until 2014.

For many of us here in this thread we know much more about the EU than what Disney has yet offered. The universe was very rich and diverse and it was just reset.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I totally get being interested in it if you invested a lot of your time in it. And I get that it was technically canon. I can't think of a good analogy top of mind, and you obviously know more about it than I do, but my sense was that none of it was "official" and Lucas was more like "sure, whatever" to an ever-expanding and unwieldy universe that was so expansive and unwieldy it couldn't possibly be internally consistent. I guess you're saying that he (or his camp) was more involved than that, so maybe they were actually farming out the ideas to writers and letting them flesh it out? I guess if that is true it would change my perception of the EU, but honestly it wouldn't really increase my interest in it.

I don't know why I feel this way, but I do feel like backstory is only interesting if it is coming from the original source. I guess that could be seen as hypocritical because Lucas isn't involved with these new additions to the story, but Disney has succeeded to that position of original source so in my mind these are legit parts of the story.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Didn't Grievous' robot minions have similar weapons in Episode III?

Looked like metal staves with electricity at the ends.

Yeah, the magna guards and their electro staffs. I don't remember if they showed the staffs blocking light saber thrusts on screen or not.

 

[greyhammer90]

Didn't Grievous' robot minions have similar weapons in Episode III?

Looked like metal staves with electricity at the ends.

You're correct I forgot about those (probably because I've attempted to block out the prequels from my mind).

 

[IrishSteelhead]

(Spoilers) Force Awakens Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

(Spoilers) Force Awakens Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

IDK, I like talking about the movies. I even get the appeal of official books and tv shows, even though I can't invest that amount of time. It is the unofficial stuff that was just superfans making up their own things and putting out whole series of novels and stuff that I've always been totally disinterested in. It is basically fan fiction.

I agree with you Rhode, and stick to the movies, but also understand SW is to some fans, what sports are to us. It consumes their time and thoughts, and quite frankly, one movie every few years doesn't quell that thirst. Imagine if ND played a football game once every 3 years!

Look at the off season discussion here. We basically invent our own revisionist history of the program and cook up millions of theories for months!


Cack, Wiz, GH: thanks for the clarification on the light saber question, although your answers irritate me. I like to think of a light saber as an indestructible weapon capable of slaying anything and everything in its path

 

[wizards8507]

But prior to the prequels, that stuff was as canonical as could be. Timothy Zhan worked a lot with Lucas on his books and a large portion of my child hood and adulthood was spent reading that material. The Thrawn Trilogy was great and I am pissed that no movies wil ever be made about it because now it's non Canon.

There was actually a lot of coordination between authors and Skywalker ranch with much of the material, Lucas just never got it corralled. Then he wrote his prequels which contradicted some parts of the EU. And somethings were retconned but still it was as much Canon as the movies were, until 2014.

For many of us here in this thread we know much more about the EU than what Disney has yet offered. The universe was very rich and diverse and it was just reset.

I think the thing that's bothering you so much is more the fact that your favorite areas of the EU are being overwritten rather than the simple fact that they're no longer canon. In other words, Disney saying "the EU is no longer canon" is probably less significant than the fact that we're actually seeing films take place during and after the timeline of the Thrawn trilogy that directly conflict with it. For me, my most cherished Star Wars content is Knights of the Old Republic, and it doesn't bother me that it's no longer canon. I'd feel much differently if Disney made a film set in the Old Republic in which nobody had ever heard of Darth Revan or the Mandalorian Wars.

I think you can still appreciate the EU even though it's no longer canon. I know you're a fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and there are zero ties between that and the Earth-616 universe of the comic books.

Cack, Wiz, GH: thanks for the clarification on the light saber question, although your answers irritate me. I like to think of a light saber as an indestructible weapon capable of slaying anything and everything in its path

That thinking is a product of the films being centered around the Empire era, in which there are one or two Jedi and one or two Sith at any given time and they're supremely powerful. In the Old Republic era, there were tons of Jedi and Sith running around. From a strictly narrative perspective, it would have gotten pretty boring if the only people they could fight with any dramatic tension was each other.

 

[Cackalacky]

I think the thing that's bothering you so much is more the fact that your favorite areas of the EU are being overwritten rather than the simple fact that they're no longer canon. In other words, Disney saying "the EU is no longer canon" is probably less significant than the fact that we're actually seeing films take place during and after the timeline of the Thrawn trilogy that directly conflict with it. For me, my most cherished Star Wars content is Knights of the Old Republic, and it doesn't bother me that it's no longer canon. I'd feel much differently if Disney made a film set in the Old Republic in which nobody had ever heard of Darth Revan or the Mandalorian Wars.

I think you can still appreciate the EU even though it's no longer canon. I know you're a fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and there are zero ties between that and the Earth-616 universe of the comic books.


That thinking is a product of the films being centered around the Empire era, in which there are one or two Jedi and one or two Sith at any given time and they're supremely powerful. In the Old Republic era, there were tons of Jedi and Sith running around. From a strictly narrative perspective, it would have gotten pretty boring if the only people they could fight with any dramatic tension was each other.

Respectfully, I was just providing an alternative perspective to Rhode because he was poo pooping the EU which up until 2014 was the Star Wars Universe. It's not a nerd fanboy perspective but one that was accumulated through years of personal enjoyment. I have lots of feels about a great many series that will never see the big screen but Disney resetting it won't change that for me. It'd just a disappointment that people wth Rhode's attitude will never discover them.

I agree with you that I can appreciate the MCU and it's alternate universes but the Star Wars universe lacks the physics of that ability. There are no time warps or white holes or other space time phenomenon like.in Star Trek. So the universe was static for a lack of better words.

 

[wizards8507]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/m...icizes-latest-star-wars-installment.html?_r=0

George calls Disney "white slavers."

 

[ulukinatme]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/m...icizes-latest-star-wars-installment.html?_r=0

George calls Disney "white slavers."

Well, he's just callin' him like he sees them...

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That said, Lucas is definitely off his rocker, and the best work he's done in the last 20 years is sell the franchise. He did some harm with the prequels, and if he created 3 more movies like that it would have just tarnished the franchise further. It wouldn't have killed it, but it certainly wouldn't have helped.

 

[Fbolt]

Just saw SW7 and was not that impressed. Kids loved it, but for me, with all the changes without any back story... It was like WTF? Han and Leah have a kid who turns to the dark side? And despite his apparent training, some girl (who he will no doubt be related to in some future sequel) who just determines she has some semblance of the force-can snatch a light saber from him? Hard one to swallow. Also, Leah, she should have stayed off the screen. I could deal with her (character) dead rather than see her man face and a voice that sounded like sandpaper and a life time of cigars. The ending was the saver for me, to see LS standing there. Keeps me interested.

Probably already discussed but not going to read everything.

My thoughts only.

 

[ulukinatme]

Just saw SW7 and was not that impressed. Kids loved it, but for me, with all the changes without any back story... It was like WTF? Han and Leah have a kid who turns to the dark side? And despite his apparent training, some girl (who he will no doubt be related to in some future sequel) who just determines she has some semblance of the force-can snatch a light saber from him? Hard one to swallow. Also, Leah, she should have stayed off the screen. I could deal with her (character) dead rather than see her man face and a voice that sounded like sandpaper and a life time of cigars. The ending was the saver for me, to see LS standing there. Keeps me interested.

Probably already discussed but not going to read everything.

My thoughts only.

Some force users have a stronger connection to the force than others. I could see the daughter of Luke (Probably Rey) having a stronger connection to the force than the son of Leia (Ren). That said, Kylo Ren did stop a blaster bolt, which was impressive, but he was injured so that could have affected his concentration.

 

[wizards8507]

Some force users have a stronger connection to the force than others. I could see the daughter of Luke (Probably Rey) having a stronger connection to the force than the son of Leia (Ren). That said, Kylo Ren did stop a blaster bolt, which was impressive, but he was injured so that could have affected his concentration.

Absolutely. They went out of their way to establish how powerful Chewbacca's bowcaster is. That was a serious wound and was losing a lot of blood.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Absolutely. They went out of their way to establish how powerful Chewbacca's bowcaster is. That was a serious wound and was losing a lot of blood.

Ren is also, as we've discussed, powerful but erratic. He hasn't completed his training on either side and seems to have trouble focusing. Add to it that he just killed his father, which clearly had him conflicted.

And it's not clear who Rey is. She may have had training.

Also...the fact that they didn't outline the full back story does not mean that there isn't one. They have 3 movies to develop Rey's story.

 

[GATTACA!]

Ren is also, as we've discussed, powerful but erratic. He hasn't completed his training on either side and seems to have trouble focusing. Add to it that he just killed his father, which clearly had him conflicted.

And it's not clear who Rey is. She may have had training.

Also...the fact that they didn't outline the full back story does not mean that there isn't one. They have 3 movies to develop Rey's story.

And he wasn't trying to kill her. I think that's the most important detail I keep seeing people forgetting about.

 

[PLACforever]

My Mother-in-law got the phone controlled BB-8 Droid for my brothers-in-law and me for Christmas. After watching my bro-lo play with it for 10 minutes I decided to return mine. The thing cost $150 and, while I appreciate the gift, I wasn't going to get that ROI on it.
When I walked into Bed Bath and Beyond, I walked up to the Customer Service desk and, with a wave of my hand said, "This is not the Droid I was looking for." The worker's jaw dropped and after a second he burst out laughing, I was pretty pleased with myself.
*I figured that if anyone would appreciate that story, it would be you, my fellow nerds.

 

[ulukinatme]

 

[Quinntastic]

I especially appreciate the irony of a Star Trek gif in a Star Wars thread.




High five, bro!

 

[ulukinatme]

I especially appreciate the irony of a Star Trek gif in a Star Wars thread.




High five, bro!

Ha, I was really just replying to PLACforever's story. My Google search for "clapping gif" brought up dozens of worthy candidates, but I selected Picard without thought to the thread I was replying in. Your observation did give me a chuckle though. Here's a more appropriate one.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Good film. I'm not a SW fanatic, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. I went with a buddy of mine who went to middle/high school with Adam Driver. Very cool to see his reaction to Driver on the big screen in an epic role. The dude killed it.

 

[connor_in]

 

[IrishLion]

 

[ClausentoTate]

After watching the movie a second time, the biggest question to me is about the Knights of Ren in Rey's Jedi awakening.

What it a flashback or a premonition?

I've read a few thoughts stating maybe it was the Jedi apprentice slaughter, a slaughtering of the ewoks to get Vader's helmet, etc. but I think the Dark side learned how to resurrect people and this is either the resurrection of Snoke in the past or the resurrection of Vader in the future.

I'm leaning toward Vader in the future since the Knights of Ren haven't been referenced in the movies yet. Ren also hasn't completed his training.

The picture above, the similar archetypes in each trilogy, and the similar ways of trying to take over the galaxy all feel like ways to show the continuity and circular nature of the force. I would bet almost anything (except a naked lap) that Vader isn't Snoke.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

(Spoilers) Force Awakens Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

(Spoilers) Force Awakens Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

Not about SWTFA, but anyone with a young daughter HAS to get this book, it's hilarious, and I definitely enjoy reading it to my little girl probably more than she likes listening to it:

 

[pkt77242]

Not about SWTFA, but anyone with a young daughter HAS to get this book, it's hilarious, and I definitely enjoy reading it to my little girl probably more than she likes listening to it:

Good call.

That is next on my list. I already have for my children, Goodnight Darth Vader (which I strongly recommend) and Darth Vader and Son.