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You guys are getting way too excited here. Nothing of any significance is going to happen to the university.
 
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ndfanatic78 said:
You guys are getting way too excited here. Nothing of any significance is going to happen to the university.
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I mean, they're not going to get the death penalty, but they ain't keeping the accolades they achieved illegitimately the past 3 seasons.

The evidence is there and if the NCAA is good at ONE THING, barely competent is probably a better word, it's hammering programs who are caught not being honest with them. This isn't a UNC situation, the NCAA is already elbow deep in the big pile of sh*t. No loopholes to exploit and I doubt the several programs that Michigan cheated out of legitimate CFP opportunities are just staying quiet and letting them get away with highway robbery.

The NCAA is going to be forced to act. The deed is done, and Michigan played those games. But their legacy has to be tarnished. It already is, it's all about putting the pen to paper now.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
I mean, they're not going to get the death penalty, but they ain't keeping the accolades they achieved illegitimately the past 3 seasons.

The evidence is there and if the NCAA is good at ONE THING, barely competent is probably a better word, it's hammering programs who are caught not being honest with them. This isn't a UNC situation, the NCAA is already elbow deep in the big pile of sh*t. No loopholes to exploit and I doubt the several programs that Michigan cheated out of legitimate CFP opportunities are just staying quiet and letting them get away with highway robbery.

The NCAA is going to be forced to act. The deed is done, and Michigan played those games. But their legacy has to be tarnished. It already is, it's all about putting the pen to paper now.
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I won’t guarantee it but I will say the chances of them having to vacate the national championship is 1%. Isn’t USC the only team to ever have their championship vacated. I guess we will see but I will be shocked if this NCAA has those balls.
 
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ndfanatic78 said:
I won’t guarantee it but I will say the chances of them having to vacate the national championship is 1%. Isn’t USC the only team to ever have their championship vacated. I guess we will see but I will be shocked if this NCAA has those balls.
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I mean, you have to keep in mind that CFB has only had a centralized championship system for 25 years, starting with the BCS and now CFP.

Before, it basically came down to different entities to name their own national champion. This is why you had situations like in 1990 when Washington and Georgia Tech both were named champions by different entities. Prior to the BCS, the NCAA had virtually zero involvement in naming a national champion.

USC is really the only example of a team winning a championship, violating the rules, being investigated and deemed guilty of the offenses investigated and those infractions being directly tied to a championship season.

In reality, USC was the standard set that not even national championships are safe from NCAA action.
 
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Taking away their national championship doesn't really matter. The games were played. Michigan won. All their fans have the t-shirts and whatnot and those won't go away just like my 2012 "undefeated season" commemorative glassware didn't evaporate when we vacated those games.
So hit them going forward. Bowl/playoff ban, scholarship reductions. That's the only way the rest of the Big Ten gets any sort of justice here.
 
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stlnd01 said:
Taking away their national championship doesn't really matter. The games were played. Michigan won. All their fans have the t-shirts and whatnot and those won't go away just like my 2012 "undefeated season" commemorative glassware didn't evaporate when we vacated those games.
So hit them going forward. Bowl/playoff ban, scholarship reductions. That's the only way the rest of the Big Ten gets any sort of justice here.
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My only question is do we take Ivan Taylor back when he comes begging at the door after Scum gets the death penalty
 
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The NCAA worries about protecting the brand not the rules. Nothing of consequence will happen. In the words of A J Foyt “If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying…”
 
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stlnd01 said:
Taking away their national championship doesn't really matter. The games were played. Michigan won. All their fans have the t-shirts and whatnot and those won't go away just like my 2012 "undefeated season" commemorative glassware didn't evaporate when we vacated those games.
So hit them going forward. Bowl/playoff ban, scholarship reductions. That's the only way the rest of the Big Ten gets any sort of justice here.
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Been over 10 years. Time to petition to get the wins back.
 
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stlnd01 said:
Taking away their national championship doesn't really matter. The games were played. Michigan won. All their fans have the t-shirts and whatnot and those won't go away just like my 2012 "undefeated season" commemorative glassware didn't evaporate when we vacated those games.
So hit them going forward. Bowl/playoff ban, scholarship reductions. That's the only way the rest of the Big Ten gets any sort of justice here.
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Because I'm petty, I almost only care about vacated wins.

If ND lost their realistic shot a the all-time wins leader thing because of the Frozen Five, then scUM needs to be hurt in the same way over ACTUAL on-field cheating.

But it's the NCAA, and scUM seems to be blessed by good fortune for some ungodly reason.
 
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sfk324 said:
How does Fortuna reconcile this rumor with the CMU head coach's very public statements saying he doesn't know how he got there? And the fact Stallions was in disguise? And the fact that the guy who Stallions was friends with was fired? None of those things make sense if he was legitimately on the sidelines.

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The NCAA investigation into an alleged sign-stealing scheme by former Michigan football assistant Connor Stalions seems to have resulted in the pending dismissa
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I recall that there is video of Stallions hiding his face when McElwain walks past him.
 
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IrishLion said:
Because I'm petty, I almost only care about vacated wins.

If ND lost their realistic shot a the all-time wins leader thing because of the Frozen Five, then scUM needs to be hurt in the same way over ACTUAL on-field cheating.

But it's the NCAA, and scUM seems to be blessed by good fortune for some ungodly reason.
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they were talking to a writer from espn this morning on the college nation channel on sirius xm radio and his opinion on the subject is that the ncaa won't do much even though they know scUM did wrong because he says they know other schools do this and if they make an example out of scUM then they open up pandora's box
 
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laughingirish90 said:
they were talking to a writer from espn this morning on the college nation channel on sirius xm radio and his opinion on the subject is that the ncaa won't do much even though they know scUM did wrong because he says they know other schools do this and if they make an example out of scUM then they open up pandora's box
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If that's the case, then just dissolve the NCAA all together. What's the point of a rules enforcement agency if their excuse for when someone breaks the rules is, "well, everyone's doing it so our hands are tied."

What a fuckin joke.
 
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laughingirish90 said:
they were talking to a writer from espn this morning on the college nation channel on sirius xm radio and his opinion on the subject is that the ncaa won't do much even though they know scUM did wrong because he says they know other schools do this and if they make an example out of scUM then they open up pandora's box
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So then the assumption is only Notre Dame players cheat/get help on assignments? Yeesh. It’s hard to be Fan of the sport.
 
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IrishLax said:
My gut is that they will try to hammer Michigan for 1. Not cooperating 2. Because letting them off easy would incentivize future cheating from all members.
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That would make sense, but the NCAA doesn’t. Notre Dame from what I’ve read fully cooperated, and that was probably their downfall.
 
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Well supposedly a lot of the legwork was done before the NCAA even stepped in, so there's plenty of evidence to go by.
 
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T Town Tommy said:
Rule #1 when dealing with the NCAA - lawyer up right out the the gate. Notre Dame did the ethical thing and it got them nowhere.
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While this is true, this only works if you can avoid letting the NCAA through the ramparts. That worked for UNC. That didn't work for Michigan.

The NCAA is elbow deep in this big pile of sh*t, and there's nowhere to run or hide. The evidence is beyond damning and the NCAA has no excuse to not take action. There isn't an NIL or academic loophole to exploit like Tennessee or North Carolina. This is a clear-cut violation of strictly NCAA rules on fair play.
 
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