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Crazy Balki said:
For one, the NCAA doesn't have the power to bar Michigan from the CFP. That is a separate entity.

They do have the power to vacate wins and titles after the fact. And yes, people do care. A lot of people care. Because the reality is that Michigan's turnaround coincides with the beginning of this massive cheating network that Stalions ran and continued to run well in 2023.

The title is getting wiped from the record book and anybody who looks back on this season and the turnaround Harbaugh made, will look back and remember that it was completely tainted by the sign-stealing network that gave them an unfair competitive advantage.

It wasn't just a matter of a player being ineligible or illicit benefits, they deliberately cheated in order for them to gain an edge over every other program. As a result, teams that deserved to be in were locked out. You think they don't care? You think FSU fans and affiliates don't care that they went 13-0 and missed out on the CFP because one team cheated their way in? My guess is they're pretty damn livid and are not quiet about it.
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Not going to happen, the NCAA President has all but said it. Stop deluding yourself.
 
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sfk324 said:
Not going to happen, the NCAA President has all but said it. Stop deluding yourself.
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He never said that. He said that nobody cane say they didn't win the CFP fair and square, which is A) unfounded and B) irrelevant.

Whether they won the CFP legit or not, it doesn't change the fact that they cheated to get there. If they cheat through most of the regular season, then why should they keep a title in which they shouldn't even be eligible for?

If somebody uses steroids for half of the season, but then plays it clean in the playoffs, doesn't change the fact that you cheated and it helped you get there.

The rule of cheating is you better not get caught. Michigan got caught.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
He never said that. He said that nobody cane say they didn't win the CFP fair and square, which is A) unfounded and B) irrelevant.

Whether they won the CFP legit or not, it doesn't change the fact that they cheated to get there. If they cheat through most of the regular season, then why should they keep a title in which they shouldn't even be eligible for?

If somebody uses steroids for half of the season, but then plays it clean in the playoffs, doesn't change the fact that you cheated and it helped you get there.

The rule of cheating is you better not get caught. Michigan got caught.
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If it was "fair and square," then they didn't cheat. The president of the organization you think is going to vacate the championship because they cheated unequivocally stated they didn't cheat. The NCAA is not vacating the championship.

You seem to be confused as to what is actually irrelevant. The NCAA saying it was fair and square is 100% relevant to whether it will be vacated. The head of the organization charged with vacating or not is telling you that as it stands, there is no basis to vacate as a result of the Stallions scheme. What is not relevant is whether you or anyone else thinks that determination is right or wrong.

ETA: I also feel fairly confident that even if games are vacated, it will not include the championship or any game in which Stallions was not involved or after the scheme was made public. The NCAA will distinguish on the basis that teams could adjust as needed, and that in regards to the CFP games, the selection or omission of any particular team is up to the committee, not the NCAA. The committee was aware of the nature of the allegations, and if the committee believed the scheme was grounds for omitting UM from consideration, they had the authority to do so.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
He never said that. He said that nobody cane say they didn't win the CFP fair and square, which is A) unfounded and B) irrelevant.

Whether they won the CFP legit or not, it doesn't change the fact that they cheated to get there. If they cheat through most of the regular season, then why should they keep a title in which they shouldn't even be eligible for?

If somebody uses steroids for half of the season, but then plays it clean in the playoffs, doesn't change the fact that you cheated and it helped you get there.

The rule of cheating is you better not get caught. Michigan got caught.
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Maybe I'm wrong but let me know when they actually make Michigan vacate those wins and the National Championship. People may remember the cheating scandal but until something is actually done about it I am pretty sure Michigan won't care what people think. They have the trophy. if the NCAA tries to do anything about it they will also have to acknowledge how they got the information, which from the rumors, it was from illegally hacking computers. You think if that is made an acceptable precedence that other rival universities won't also higher outside investigators to hack their rivals computers to get their dirt. This is going to be fun to watch how this all unfolds. Ideally maybe it will take out both and Michigan and OSU, who hired the private investigation agency.
 
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If it was "fair and square," then they didn't cheat. The president of the organization you think is going to vacate the championship because they cheated unequivocally stated they didn't cheat. The NCAA is not vacating the championship.

You seem to be confused as to what is actually irrelevant. The NCAA saying it was fair and square is 100% relevant to whether it will be vacated. The head of the organization charged with vacating or not is telling you that as it stands, there is no basis to vacate as a result of the Stallions scheme. What is not relevant is whether you or anyone else thinks that determination is right or wrong.

ETA: I also feel fairly confident that even if games are vacated, it will not include the championship or any game in which Stallions was not involved or after the scheme was made public. The NCAA will distinguish on the basis that teams could adjust as needed, and that in regards to the CFP games, the selection or omission of any particular team is up to the committee, not the NCAA. The committee was aware of the nature of the allegations, and if the committee believed the scheme was grounds for omitting UM from consideration, they had the authority to do so.
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Yes they did. You don't get to just cut out half of the season and say, "well they didn't cheat from this point forward".

The committee isn't going to remove a team from consideration based on an investigation that is still very much in its infancy. It's a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation.

They'd rather just ride it out and if the NCAA has to revoke their wins and titles, so be it. They already reaped the benefits of the matchups, and the format has already been revised to a 12-team playoff anyways.

And again, that's not what Baker said. Him saying "you can't say they didn't win fair and square" means nothing. Bare minimum, it means they won the playoff fair and square, which is irrelevant if they cheated to get there, which they did.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
Yes they did. You don't get to just cut out half of the season and say, "well they didn't cheat from this point forward".

The committee isn't going to remove a team from consideration based on an investigation that is still very much in its infancy. It's a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation.

They'd rather just ride it out and if the NCAA has to revoke their wins and titles, so be it. They already reaped the benefits of the matchups, and the format has already been revised to a 12-team playoff anyways.

And again, that's not what Baker said. Him saying "you can't say they didn't win fair and square" means nothing. Bare minimum, it means they won the playoff fair and square, which is irrelevant if they cheated to get there, which they did.
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Not sure if you're just in denial or if you're that deluded to think it's going to be vacated. The NCAA President has telegraphed how they view the situation. Whether you like or not is irrelevant.
 
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ndfanatic78 said:
Maybe I'm wrong but let me know when they actually make Michigan vacate those wins and the National Championship. People may remember the cheating scandal but until something is actually done about it I am pretty sure Michigan won't care what people think. They have the trophy. if the NCAA tries to do anything about it they will also have to acknowledge how they got the information, which from the rumors, it was from illegally hacking computers. You think if that is made an acceptable precedence that other rival universities won't also higher outside investigators to hack their rivals computers to get their dirt. This is going to be fun to watch how this all unfolds. Ideally maybe it will take out both and Michigan and OSU, who hired the private investigation agency.
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I don't believe this is true. This would be something that The Cult wants you to believe.
 
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Luckylucci said:
I don't believe this is true. This would be something that The Cult wants you to believe.
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I didn’t hear it from Michigan fans though I am also not saying it’s accurate. It is known that the info was gathered from a private detective agancy hired by OSU.
 
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Living in metro Detroit trust me that Michigan is my most hated team but I do not believe the chip will be vacated and all we can really hope for is that we actually win one in the next few years that doesn't have all the corruption behind it and wipe it in their faces. Other than that we can also hope that they are penalized and have to go through a good ten year down cycle at the very least.
 
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Smart move by Elston. Probably gets a raise, better weather, doesn't have to recruit and knows the hammer will eventually fall.
 
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Irish#1 said:
Smart move by Elston. Probably gets a raise, better weather, doesn't have to recruit and knows the hammer will eventually fall.
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he always was more of a developer and eye for talent vs a recruiter so i think NFL might be a good landing spot for him. Especially considering the time invested in the college game and never making it to DC.
 
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Interesting that Michigan’s entire beat is saying Cullen is the pick for DC and Webb is saying it’s not him, he’s passed, and it’s going to be Wink Martindale. Martindale would certainly be a splash of a hire that can just as easily go up in flames quick.
 
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I feel like the mass exodus has to do with possible punishment they feel might be coming. Buts incredible the amount of attrition happening.
 
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phork said:
I feel like the mass exodus has to do with possible punishment they feel might be coming. Buts incredible the amount of attrition happening.
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I am surprised so many leaving since they are keeping Sharon. I’m starting to think it was Sharon or bust because who would want that over their head as a head coach?
 
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Ndaccountant said:
It's a smart move for them. Their current defensive system is essentially his. Both of the last two DCs for them came from Winks system. If they were hoping for any sort of continuity, this was it.
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On the flip side, he hasn't coached in college in 20 years. And he's old enough that he was an assistant at ND under Holtz?!?
 
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