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Allegations and 11th-hour allegations took down Moore. All is fair in politics and war. The GOP chose to break the rules in their unethical effort to stack the court, fuck them.

I'm just saying they've had this shit since July.

It's an extremely credible allegation on its surface -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.38d1f8d998ff -- and there is no reason to withhold the information except to say "haha gotcha."

Regardless, there is no way Kavanagh should be voted on this week... which was the point. They didn't want to leave enough time to actually have the claim vetted and have the Republicans replace him with a new nominee.

I really think this might backfire and drive Republicans to the polls in November if there's an open seat on the Supreme Court up for grabs.

Also, what are the odds this ends with Trump nominating Garland if the Democrats take control of the Senate?
 

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Per several sources, Senate Judiciary Committee vote will be held on Thursday. No delay.
 

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Here's the thing, do they really not want Roe v Wade overturned or do they want to keep access to abortion? That is not how they asked the question here and it is usually put about this way. Many scholars believe that Roe v Wade is a bad decision, made up law. People think if Roe v Wade went away that abortion would go away too. However, based on the many polls like these, it is fairly obvious that many/most states would immediately put together an actual law instead of relying on essentially flawed case law.

Precisely. Overturning Roe v Wade would NOT eliminate access to abortions. It would simply go to the state level where it should have been in the 1st place. Then some states will “choose” not to offer abortions & some states will “choose” to keep abortions available. I suspect Dyson sales will go up in the latter states as they now make attachments for such a procedure.
 

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Allegations and 11th-hour allegations took down Moore. All is fair in politics and war. The GOP chose to break the rules in their unethical effort to stack the court, fuck them.

LOLOLOLOLOL

Roy Moore?



Not even close to the same circumstances.


That a very desperate reach, even for a TDS patient.

If this was 1% credible we would have heard about it months ago.

SFD
 

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I'm just saying they've had this shit since July.

It's an extremely credible allegation on its surface -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.38d1f8d998ff -- and there is no reason to withhold the information except to say "haha gotcha."

Regardless, there is no way Kavanagh should be voted on this week... which was the point. They didn't want to leave enough time to actually have the claim vetted and have the Republicans replace him with a new nominee.

I really think this might backfire and drive Republicans to the polls in November if there's an open seat on the Supreme Court up for grabs.

Of course the timing is opportunistic by Feinstein, but anyone who thinks Mitch McConnell wouldn't have done the same is deluding themselves. It's actually rare to see the Democrats play to win this way.

But I tend to agree, if this actually winds up derailing Kavanaugh, it might backfire on them. If the Senate elections in, say, Missouri, North Dakota and Indiana become about the future of the Supreme Court, I'm not sure I like the Dems' odds. I get the sense they're actually banking on the Republicans ramming Kavanaugh through despite all this, and then getting to campaign on that.

It's certainly a gamble, politically.
 

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Precisely. Overturning Roe v Wade would NOT eliminate access to abortions. It would simply go to the state level where it should have been in the 1st place. Then some states will “choose” not to offer abortions & some states will “choose” to keep abortions available. I suspect Dyson sales will go up in the latter states as they now make attachments for such a procedure.

For what it's worth, abortion was illegal under state law in Massachusetts until this summer, when, after Kavanaugh was nominated, they quickly cleaned up an old, pre-Roe, law that criminalized it.
That'll be harder to do in some states.
 

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Of course the timing is opportunistic by Feinstein, but anyone who thinks Mitch McConnell wouldn't have done the same is deluding themselves. It's actually rare to see the Democrats play to win this way.

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By the way, if Kavanaugh really did what she says, why do D's care so much considering they extol as heroes Teddy Kennedy and Bill Clinton.
 

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Of course the timing is opportunistic by Feinstein, but anyone who thinks Mitch McConnell wouldn't have done the same is deluding themselves. It's actually rare to see the Democrats play to win this way.

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For what it's worth, abortion was illegal under state law in Massachusetts until this summer, when, after Kavanaugh was nominated, they quickly cleaned up an old, pre-Roe, law that criminalized it.
That'll be harder to do in some states.

Not surprised as federal law trumps that but I see your point. I still think there will be plenty of states where abortion will be free & legal.
 

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exactly... I mean the Republicans have many things to dislike and i get why some would be turned off, I was too. This idea that they constantly play dirty and the dems hardly ever follow suit, is,... well,... comical.
 

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Allegations and 11th-hour allegations took down Moore. All is fair in politics and war. The GOP chose to break the rules in their unethical effort to stack the court, fuck them.

You are always open to a healthy debate.

By the way is Moore in prison yet? How is the trial going? Oh, never mind....
 

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If people can't see through this, there is no hope for mankind.

What an absolute train wreck of a witch hunt. Pre-schoolers could have came up with a better fake news story.

Make the Dems wear this absolute BS on Election day.
 
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I keep hearing Ford wanted to remain anonymous. If this were the case, please explain to me why she hired an attorney and why did she take a lie detector test months ago?
 

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My instincts already call BS... it’s also comical to see all these ‘appalled’ leftists screaming from the mountain tops who praised the Clintons for years and tossed their collectiv3 allegations away in a second when that was politically convenient for them. I get it’s all politics, it is, but please stop pretending otherwise.
 

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Like others, I find it odd that she:

A.) Has very few identifying details in her story. (location, date, background info)
B.) Took a polygraph awhile back

I'd say lawyering up is a bad sign, but I don't think that's really fair. That's a safe thing to do. I also recall hearing she was eager to come talk to the Senate. Now she's making demands. I don't know that that is exactly a good look.
 

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Once the Democrats are done investigating Kavanaugh I am sure they will get on that Keith Ellison investigation.


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No, they don't. I've been smeared, threatened, isolated from my own party. I provided medical records from 2017, stating on two different Dr. Visits, I told them about the abuse and who did it. My therapist released records stating I have been dealing and healing from the abuse
 

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Precisely. Overturning Roe v Wade would NOT eliminate access to abortions. It would simply go to the state level where it should have been in the 1st place. Then some states will “choose” not to offer abortions & some states will “choose” to keep abortions available. I suspect Dyson sales will go up in the latter states as they now make attachments for such a procedure.

For what it's worth, abortion was illegal under state law in Massachusetts until this summer, when, after Kavanaugh was nominated, they quickly cleaned up an old, pre-Roe, law that criminalized it.
That'll be harder to do in some states.


Irishize has it, "Overturning Roe v Wade would NOT eliminate access to abortions."

And for what it's worth, there were a number of laws recently repealed in Massachusetts some dating back to 1845 and not only included abortion statues but distribution of condoms, adultery, and fornication. Obviously those laws were not enforced or Teddy Kennedy would have been a lifer, as well as, his President brother to name a few.

More to the point the whole exercise was political to rally the base as

1) the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled in 1981 in Moe vs. Secretary of Administration and Finance, that the high court in Roe determined “a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate a pregnancy by abortion falls within a constitutionally protected zone of privacy.”

2) Since 1973 (Roe v Wade), 45 years, the Massachusetts legislature never got around to eliminating the unenforceable statues noted above which did NOT make them legal. There are hundreds to thousands of antiquated, unenforceable statutes on the books in most states. When was the last time someone was criminally charged in MA for adultery or fornication?

3) The Massachusetts Senate in January 2018 unanimously passed a bill dubbed the NASTY (Negating Archaic Statutes Targeting Young Women) Women Act that included the the moot abortion, condom, and adultery/fornication statutes. Kavanaugh was officially announced as the nominee for Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States on July 9, 2018, 6 months after the NASTY Women Act was passed by the Senate. The Legislature did NOT "quickly clean up" those measures after his nomination as noted in one of the posts. Nor did they act quickly after Justice Scalia died, 2 and a half years ago, February 13, 2016.
 

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Allegations and 11th-hour allegations took down Moore. All is fair in politics and war. The GOP chose to break the rules in their unethical effort to stack the court, fuck them.

Just like the flag on the tower at sea you haven't a clue. The allegations didn't take down Moore. Twice he was kicked off the Alabama Supreme Court by his peers on the Supreme Court Ethics Committee. Twice he ran for governor and was rejected by the voters.

He is an arrogant, self-serving politician that fabricated 1st Amendment/Ten Commandment incidents to get himself elected to the ASC then repeatedly showed his disdain for The Law, be it state or federal. Moore repeatedly demonstrated he believed he was above the law.

Moore didn't win the primary election as neither he nor the Interim Senator Luther Strange nor the 8 other challengers got enough votes to win outright. Moore and Strange competed in a runoff election and it was really a contest of the lessor of two lessors. Strange was tainted by his investigation of the then governor on corruption charges being terminated when that governor, Bentley, appointed Strange to fill Sessions term on an interim basis. Bentley subsequently was forced to resign. Strange got tagged with quid pro quo allegations.

Neither Moore nor Strange ran an effective campaign. Nobody got 39% of the votes cast. Moore won by 11 points with under 500,000 cast votes in the runoff election.

The sexual innuendo about Moore asking teenagers for dates 30 years ago got air time for bombshell effect but like the current allegation there was a lack of substantiation and there were political affiliations involved. Timing of the allegations were suspect, as well as, 30 year memories of what was said or implied. They could have happened ... or not.

There were Republican voters and GOP officials that turned on Moore over the allegations but there were more that simply recognized his track record as a twice defrocked Supreme Court Chief Justice and as twice rejected candidate in gubernatorial campaigns. He was not suitable for election to the U.S. Senate even if the allegations were not true.


Many Republicans and Independents voted against Moore for Senate in the Special Election based on his track record. Many more did NOT vote in protest, defaulting the election to the Democrat Jones to sink Moore.

There were only 1.2 million votes cast in Jones/Moore election with Moore getting 650,000 votes and Jones winning with around 670,000. There were over 1.3 million votes cast for Trump alone two years earlier with Mrs Clinton getting around 730,000 votes. A total of over 2 million votes cast out of 3.3 million registered voters. Moore got less than half of Trump's vote count.

It was obvious to even the most casual observer that Moore was a dead man walking. Moore repeatedly refused to debate during the series of elections. Republicans that voted for Jones (or stayed at home) rationalized better a Democrat get elected in the Special Election for 3 years than the arrogant ex-judge. Mark it down, a Republican will be voted in at the next regular election in 2021 just as Democrat after Democrat was elected for decades in Alabama when they held control.


My wife is an arch conservative and she had a Doug Jones For Senate sign in our yard as did quite a few of the Republicans and Independents yards. Moore signs were sparse.

My hand painted sign was an international symbol, a red circle with a diagonal slash running through the single word, MOORE.



As for your comment about the GOP breaking the rules in an unethical effort to stack SCOTUS refresh your history of FDR's Court Packing ploy.

The Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937 was a legislative initiative proposed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to add more justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. Roosevelt's purpose was to obtain favorable rulings regarding New Deal legislation that the court had ruled unconstitutional.
 

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3) The Massachusetts Senate in January 2018 unanimously passed a bill dubbed the NASTY (Negating Archaic Statutes Targeting Young Women) Women Act that included the the moot abortion, condom, and adultery/fornication statutes. Kavanaugh was officially announced as the nominee for Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States on July 9, 2018, 6 months after the NASTY Women Act was passed by the Senate. The Legislature did NOT "quickly clean up" those measures after his nomination as noted in one of the posts. Nor did they act quickly after Justice Scalia died, 2 and a half years ago, February 13, 2016.

The Massachusetts Senate passed it in January. The (more conservative) House passed it and Governor signed it in July, after Kennedy announced his retirement. Even the head of the Catholic Conference of Massachusetts agrees it was passed in response to the prospect of a Supreme Court that would vote to overturn Roe v Wade..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ca...husetts-passes-nasty-women-abortion-act-54411

Was this bill “political”? Of course it was. That’s what politicians do. But it also cleared up a legal gray area that would have existed in Massachusetts in the absence of Roe v Wade. It will exist in other states as well, states where there may be less consensus about what to do.

Either way, I’ve heard this argument from pro-life friends a lot lately - since Kennedy’s retirement made it a possibility - that overturning Roe is no big deal, won’t restrict access to abortion, etc.
I don’t get it. If Roe is no big deal, why has the pro-life and Christian Right been clamoring for as long as I can remember for it to be overturned?
 

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Most of us understand this.

Why did Christine Blasey Ford wait so long? I'll tell you ... (Fox News)

The nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh seemed all but certain a few days ago, until a woman named Christine Blasey Ford came forward accusing him of sexual assault when they were in high school. The alleged crime having taken place decades ago has prompted many to ask: Why did she wait so long?

I can tell you why.

In a word ... Fear

In my freshman year of college, I was the victim of something quite similar, on my 18th birthday. I understand why Dr. Ford remained silent. She was afraid. Afraid that no one would believe her – after all, she had been drinking. Fear if it went to court, her sex life would be revealed. Fear she would be judged. Fear her name would be dragged through the mud. And she’s not alone.

Rape and sexual assault are the most underreported crimes in our nation. Worldwide, one in three women experience some sexual violence in their lifetime, according to the World Health Organization. Yet it is fear that keeps them from coming forward.

Kellyanne Conway told reporters prior to the President's tweets:
"There's no reason to attack her. The president is defending his nomination to the United States Supreme Court as a man of character, integrity, impeccable academic and judicial qualification."
A few of us never will.

Trump calls on Kavanaugh accuser to provide a police report from alleged assault (Fox)

Trump's tweet this morning:
"I have no doubt that, if the attack on Dr. Ford was as bad as she says, charges would have been immediately filed with local Law Enforcement Authorities by either her or her loving parents. I ask that she bring those filings forward so that we can learn date, time, and place!"

As he remakes the Republican Party and vents his anger at anyone he chooses, it's hard to see this Party standing for family values, understanding sexual assaults and unwanted sexual advances and which is simply comprised of old white men who don't belong in government.

Mitch McConnell at the Values Voter Summit:
“You’ve watched the fight. You’ve watched the tactics. Here’s what I want to tell you: In the very near future, Judge Kavanaugh will be on the United States Supreme Court. . . . Keep the faith. Don’t get rattled by all of this. We’re going to plow right through it and do our job.”

Jeff Flake in an address to Congress:
And our Article I branch of government, the Congress (that’s me), is utterly supine in the face of the moral vandalism that flows from the White House daily. I do not think that the founders could have anticipated that the beauty of their invention might someday founder on the rocks of reality television, and that the Congress would be such willing accomplices to this calamity. Our most ardent enemies, doing their worst (and they are doing their worst), couldn’t hurt us more than we are hurting ourselves.
 
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Most of us understand this.

Why did Christine Blasey Ford wait so long? I'll tell you ... (Fox News)



Kellyanne Conway told reporters prior to the President's tweets:

A few of us never will.

Trump calls on Kavanaugh accuser to provide a police report from alleged assault (Fox)

Trump's tweet this morning:


As he remakes the Republican Party and vents his anger at anyone he chooses, it's hard to see this Party standing for family values, understanding sexual assaults and unwanted sexual advances and which is simply comprised of old white men who don't belong in government.

Mitch McConnell at the Values Voter Summit:


Jeff Flake in an address to Congress:

GTFO with that lame bull shit. This is either the most naive, or dumbest, comment I've probably ever read on this site.

We don't need liberal democrats, such as yourself, lecturing us on sexual assault, family values, nor the physical attributes of any group.
 

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Ford wants Kavanaugh (the accused) to testify first. LOL

It really makes no sense. How is he supposed to testify against something if the charges won't be level at him first?

In the history of criminal prosecution, this is not how defense works. "But this isn't a criminal hearing, it's..." ... umm, yeah, she is literally accusing him of a crime and asking him to testify against it under oath so the equivocations don't matter.
 

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GTFO with that lame bull shit. This is either the most naive, or dumbest, comment I've probably ever read on this site.

We don't need liberal democrats, such as yourself, lecturing us on sexual assault, family values, nor the physical attributes of any group.

Hear hear.

1) She can't remember anything about this "incident" and waited 36 years to tell the story.

2) Wake me up when leftists are appalled by Bill Clinton and Keith Ellison.

3) No matter who the Dem candidate is in 2020, I'm telling you he/ she fondled me several times when I was in 6th grade.
 

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It really makes no sense. How is he supposed to testify against something if the charges won't be level at him first?

In the history of criminal prosecution, this is not how defense works. "But this isn't a criminal hearing, it's..." ... umm, yeah, she is literally accusing him of a crime and asking him to testify against it under oath so the equivocations don't matter.

It won't happen that way. And surely her lawyer knows this. It's all a negotiation.
At some point next week she either will or won't testify, and we'll see what happens then.
 

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As he remakes the Republican Party and vents his anger at anyone he chooses, it's hard to see this Party standing for family values, understanding sexual assaults and unwanted sexual advances and which is simply comprised of old white men who don't belong in government.

So then what are your thoughts on this?
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Mind you, Keith Ellison's accuser has physical evidence, corroboration, and a timeline of reporting accusations that stand in stark contrast to the accusation against Kavanagh. How do you reconcile the above with pretending that this is a "Republican" problem?
 
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