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I agree that you can't really go wrong with Eifert or Rudolph, I would go with Eifert because other than Floyd i think he has been the best receiving target of the BK era. KR I went partially on the assumption he will have a good, hopefully great season. Did you forget to list Nix or do you think Jones is a better NT?

I take Eifert...he was a better blocker detached from the line, and nearly as good attached. Eifert was a more versatile receiver, and overall a better athlete IMHO.

I think Jonas Gray is an underrated asset. Dude was big and fast. I still like Theo the best because he was a north south, 1 cut kinda cat, and he did pass pro pretty darn well.
 
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Nix was the most dominant player on that 2012 defense, and the only one who looked like he belonged on the field against Bama.

We can agree to disagree. Nix was good. And he was just the kind of Nose we needed, but he was far from dominant. He had stretches where he was indomitable, but that was as far as I would take it. He played on the same defense with Te'o, Kappy, Tuitt. Slaughter came up from the outside (a bit) and the coverage really worked that year with Russell, and Farley playing much better than expected. But Nix never had gaudy, or even above average statistics, and he had times he would cave pretty bad (mental slips.)

Jarron Jones, when healthy has really wiped the field with center's asses, unlike any defensive lineman I have ever seen (in the last ten years at ND.)

Just my opinion.

I would have to take Eifert too.

I am not sure I would take Lombard, my tackles would be Martin and Stanley.

My guards would probably be Watt and Elmer.

Center, Martin is fine.

And with 20/20 hindsight I would take Zaire, or a draft choice to be picked later at quarterback, instead of anyone else that has started a game.
 
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I don't ever recall Louis Nix being dominate. Yes he was great at times but then disappear for quarters.

When Jarron Jones mind is right he can be dominate. Look at the FSU game he was a man in that game. Flashed way more then Louis ever did. If he can get his mind right and play like he can he will be the second best player on this defense.
 

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I don't ever recall Louis Nix being dominate. Yes he was great at times but then disappear for quarters.


Manti doesn't finish 2nd in the Heisman without Nix, and Tuitt doesn't have a monster season IMO. He ate so much space it was sickening that year.
 

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Manti doesn't finish 2nd in the Heisman without Nix, and Tuitt doesn't have a monster season IMO. He ate so much space it was sickening that year.

And to add to that, his job wasn't to rack up stats, so it's meaningless for him. His job was to force double teams, and he was incredible at that in 2012. He absolutely was dominant...I'm surprised at how many ND forget that just a few short years later.

And speaking of Jarron Jones, he takes just as many if not more plays off that Nix did. That's been his Achilles his entire career so far. His lack of focus has hurt him at times.
 

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And to add to that, his job wasn't to rack up stats, so it's meaningless for him. His job was to force double teams, and he was incredible at that in 2012. He absolutely was dominant...I'm surprised at how many ND forget that just a few short years later.

And speaking of Jarron Jones, he takes just as many if not more plays off that Nix did. That's been his Achilles his entire career so far. His lack of focus has hurt him at times.

That's where I'm at. If the other team wasn't double teaming him he had the center on skates and collapsed the pocket. Not to mention he was the single biggest reason we had an outrageous red zone defense, because he was the immovable object smack dab in the middle.

If Jones can play like he did against FSU all season he'll be a 1st team AA. But he has to get and stay healthy.
 

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C: Cave
OG: Watt
OG: Lombard
OT: Z Martin
OT: Stanley
QB: fuck me
TB1: Allen
TB2: Riddick
WR1: Floyd
WR2: Eifert
WR3: TJ Jones

DE: Tuitt
DT: Day/I Williams (tough one, but went with Day instead)
DT: Cap Moore
DE: Lynch
OLB: J Smith
MLB: Te'o
OLB: Fleming
SS: Blanton (cover ability, hips, size, blitz)
FS: H Smith
CB1: Riggs
CB2: Russell
 

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I'll add to the Louis Nix discussion and say the NT's job in a 3-4 isn't to rack up tons of stats, it's to suck up double teams consistently to free up the LBs to make plays. After the NT the MLB position is the 2nd most important position in that defense, which is why that 2012 defense was so good. The tandem between Nix and Manti was excellent, and the players around them benefitted (Many of them were pretty good in their own right). It starts with those two positions though, and Nix was excellent at eating double teams and still being disruptive at times.
 

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I don't ever recall Louis Nix being dominate. Yes he was great at times but then disappear for quarters.

When Jarron Jones mind is right he can be dominate. Look at the FSU game he was a man in that game. Flashed way more then Louis ever did. If he can get his mind right and play like he can he will be the second best player on this defense.

Nix WAS dominant. Of course he disappeared for quarters. And, during those quarters, while Nix was occupying 2,3,4 blockers; Tuitt and Teo were having career years.
 

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QB - Everett Golson
RB - Theo Riddick
RB - Jonas Gray
WR- Michael Floyd
WR- TJ Jones
WR- Will Fuller
TE- Kyle Rudolph
LT- Zach Martin
LG- Chris Watt
C- Braxton Cave (2012)
RG- Trevor Robinson
RT-Ronald Stanley
DE- Stephon Tuitt
DT- Louis Nix III
DT- Jarron Jones
DE- Aaron Lynch (gasp)
LB- Jaylon Smith
LB- Manti Te'o
LB- Dan Fox w/ hair (honestly, this should be Shembo... but I hate him)
CB- Cole Luke
CB- KeiVarae Russell
FS- Harrison Smith
SS- Jamoris Slaughter
KR- George Atkinson III
PR- Michael Floyd
K- Kyle Brindza

Was wondering if anyone would go the Aaron lynch direction...I would.
 

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And to add to that, his job wasn't to rack up stats, so it's meaningless for him. His job was to force double teams, and he was incredible at that in 2012.

I'll add to the Louis Nix discussion and say the NT's job in a 3-4 isn't to rack up tons of stats, it's to suck up double teams consistently to free up the LBs to make plays.

Echo, echo, echo, echo......

Hahahahahaha
 

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QB- Everett Golson
RB- Tarean Folston
RB - Jonas Gray
WR- Michael Floyd
WR- TJ Jones
WR- Will Fuller
TE- Tyler Eifert
LT- Zach Martin
LG- Chris Watt
C- Nick Martin (2013)
RG- Trevor Robinson
RT-Ronnie Stanley
DE- Stephon Tuitt
DT- Kapron Lewis Moore
NG- (Nix in a 3-4, Jones in a 4-3)
DE- Aaron Lynch
SLB- Jaylon Smith
MLB- Manti Te'o
WLB- Brian Smith
CB- Cole Luke
CB- KeiVarae Russell
FS- Harrison Smith
SS- Jamoris Slaughter
KR- George Atkinson
PR- Michael Floyd
K- Kyle Brindza
 

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Armando Allen? Really guy never had a run in his career more then 25 yards. Think about that
 

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Armando Allen? Really guy never had a run in his career more then 25 yards. Think about that
He tried to hook up with my (now) wife freshman year. Texted her constantly. True story.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 using Tapatalk.
 
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And to add to that, his job wasn't to rack up stats, so it's meaningless for him. His job was to force double teams, and he was incredible at that in 2012. He absolutely was dominant...I'm surprised at how many ND forget that just a few short years later.

And speaking of Jarron Jones, he takes just as many if not more plays off that Nix did. That's been his Achilles his entire career so far. His lack of focus has hurt him at times.

The first problem we have is Nix was 3-4 nose tackle, who was great or outstanding at two-gapping. So you all are right when you talk about him keeping linemen off of Te'o, etc. If anyone specified that the "All BK Team" featured a 3-4, I might even put Nix on that list myself!

But BK has clearly chosen to move away from the Diaco, bend-but don't break defense, and toward the 4-3 under/4-2-5 pro scheme as witnessed by all of his post-Alabama press conferences, and bringing BVG, Gilmore, and Lyght in (and with moving Elston to the linebackers, where he obviously belongs, totally restructuring the defensive staff.)

So, the change to the "next level" is more than just coach speak because the actions take place behind it, to insure the changes, and that it is more than just empty words. Also, we all have had many discussions about the "type" of player needed for positions in each of these defenses.

So, particularly since the "Weis holdover Kelly players," speed and athleticism has greatly improved! I don't know, but how many linebackers are on the depth chart that are better "athletes" than Manti Te'o? I would imagine more than one if I could or had to guess. Before anyone gets their feathers ruffled, I will maintain that Manti had many other qualities, (like no one has ever seen before) that made him a better player (college specifically) than almost anyone. No one can equal Manti for the overall package, starting with the mental and spiritual end, or especially the instinct for the game!

So all of these things, change in the scheme, athleticism, and legendary status all effect our conversation.

As far as Jones taking as many plays off, I saw that early on in his first season, but I am not sure I saw it so much, if at all, last year. Obviously from me stating I wouldn't pick anyone at quarterback (except Zaire) I should be signaling that I am weighing players who play even (best reps), with limited reps and future eligibility over players that have come and gone.

Echo, echo, echo, echo......

Hahahahahaha

Sorry, I was quite busy yesterday, as I am for the whole weekend. I have only had a brief shot to make posts early in the morning. Right now I am waiting to fire up my diesel engine and get going on the back 40, but the neighbors have this thing about noise, ground heaving, and grinding on Sunday mornings!

PS. I really enjoyed your posts! (And the graphic presentation on your later was excellent!)
 
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QB: Golson
RB: Riddick
LT: Z. Martin
LG: Watt
C: Cave
RG: Lombard
RT: Stanley
WR: Floyd
WR: TJ Jones
WR: Fuller
TE: Eiftert

NT: Nix
DT: Day
SDE: Lewis-Moore
WDE: Tuitt
OLB: J. Smith
MLB: Te'o
OLB: Spond
CB: Blanton
CB: Luke
FS: H. Smith
SS: Motta

K: Brindza
P: Brindza
 
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I do not understand why Louis Nix is always labelled as a great two-gap player, he was not never very good when he had to command a double team. Greg Cossell did a great film breakdown about this "myth" a year ago.

Jamoris Slaughter is a guy i would include in my All BK team. He was really fun to see. A Jalen Ramsey/Eric Berry type of player. Aggresive, big hitter, he played at OLB against Air Force and was a beast, he was so versatile.

I still take Blanton over K. Russell, Blanton against MSU in 2012 was my favourite game by a Fighting Irish CB ever!
 

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I'm surprised there's no love for David Ruffer at kicker. 23 straight field goals in his career, and 18 of 19 in 2010! He made 83% of his FGs in his career which is still better than Brindza's kicking prior to the holding problems last year (Brindza was at 75% before last year's Special Teams debacle, which isn't super but isn't an awful number). Ruffer's career percentage would have been in the Top 15 kickers last year (Excluding kickers that didn't take at least 10 attempts).
 
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