5 year accepted

[IrishAlum1997]

Thanks for the insight, WJ. If we don't keep Golic, Cwynar or Goodman, we still have 8 open spots? After Kiel, presuming all current commits stick, and before any Armstead announcement that is....

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Thanks for the insight, WJ. If we don't keep Golic, Cwynar or Goodman, we still have 8 open spots? After Kiel, presuming all current commits stick, and before any Armstead announcement that is....

With Kiel on board, we'll have 5 or 6 spots left depending on if Carlisle is on scholarship for 2012. With both Armsteads, 3-4 spots left.

Should probably assume Carlisle's on scholarship.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

With Kiel on board, we'll have 5 or 6 spots left depending on if Carlisle is on scholarship for 2012. With both Armsteads, 3-4 spots left.

Should probably assume Carlisle's on scholarship.

Does Carlisle have to sit this next season? And if so does he count towards the number this year?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Does Carlisle have to sit this next season? And if so does he count towards the number this year?

Yes, he has to sit. The only way he doesn't count against the scholarship limit is if he pays his own way. That's a real possibility, as ND has lots of legitimate sources of scholarship money they could offer Amir. I'm not counting on it though.

 

[BGIF]

Looking more like Cave, KLM, and Slaughter will be the only 3.



If we land both Armsteads tomorrow, Cwynar might have to make way for Armond.

Goodman, Cwynar, and Golic already have degrees in hand, and they've all had ample opportunity to earn a 5Y. If the staff feels those scholarships will be better spent on incoming freshmen, there should be no hard feelings.

Gonna split hairs. Armond will be a first time situation for ND. He's not a freshman. He's a graduate transfer. A new experience at ND. He doesn't count against the 25 man class but does count against the 85 roster. BUT, I think ... that Kelly has some time to deliberate before the 5th Year Formal Announcement due to this and normal attrition.

Just how bad is Roberson's injury? Is it career ending?

Are there any other significant injuries/surgery?

Did someone pull a Julius Jones and have an academic issue?

Is someone's nose out of joint over recent recruiting development and enough to seek another venue?

The recent article on Badger had ND Man written all over it but does 6 months at home working out, 1000 miles or so, from South Bend have an effect? I hope not.

I'm not starting rumors just noting that in decades of following recruiting and ND football the unexpected happens in recruiting as it did this week, plus and minus, and it ofttimes happens with the existing team. Attrition happens at ND and not for the same reasons as at Alabama or OSU (who forecast Yeatman's departure, or Fauria's, or Bullard's and Banks family tragedies, or Boyd's quick transfer?

IF Armond does come on board, I think, Kelly has some time with one slot.

Best wishes to our team, those already on board and those about to do so.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Got it. I'm going to guess he counts, and by my count we have 6 or 7 spots.

Gonna be a fun couple of weeks.......

 

[BGIF]

Yes, he has to sit. The only way he doesn't count against the scholarship limit is if he pays his own way. That's a real possibility, as ND has lots of legitimate sources of scholarship money they could offer Amir. I'm not counting on it though.

NO. He can't be offered a scholarship be it a tennis scholarship, chess club, or some presitigous academic scholarship even if qualified and not be a counter. If ND pays his way, he's a counter even though he has to sit out the '12 as an NCAA Div 1 transfer.

I believe ND can assist him with student loans available to him the same as for any non-student athlete. Maybe Pell Grants, I don't follow them. IF he pays his own way then he's not a counter for '12.

After guys are in classes I would expect an Kelly presser or a press release. The media would press Kelly at a presser for details. They'd have to try to read between the lines of a carefully worded press release.

 

[BeauBenken]

NO. He can't be offered a scholarship be it a tennis scholarship, chess club, or some presitigous academic scholarship even if qualified and not be a counter. If ND pays his way, he's a counter even though he has to sit out the '12 as an NCAA Div 1 transfer.

I believe ND can assist him with student loans available to him the same as for any non-student athlete. Maybe Pell Grants, I don't follow them. IF he pays his own way then he's not a counter for '12.

After guys are in classes I would expect an Kelly presser or a press release. The media would press Kelly at a presser for details. They'd have to try to read between the lines of a carefully worded press release.

I'm almost 100 percent positive Whiskey didn't mean another sport scholarship when he said that, but more like the Pell Grants you mentioned.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

NO. He can't be offered a scholarship be it a tennis scholarship, chess club, or some presitigous academic scholarship even if qualified and not be a counter. If ND pays his way, he's a counter even though he has to sit out the '12 as an NCAA Div 1 transfer.

I believe ND can assist him with student loans available to him the same as for any non-student athlete. Maybe Pell Grants, I don't follow them. IF he pays his own way then he's not a counter for '12.

After guys are in classes I would expect an Kelly presser or a press release. The media would press Kelly at a presser for details. They'd have to try to read between the lines of a carefully worded press release.

That's what I had in mind, but my post was probably misleading.

 

[nsisk157]

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Goodman 5th year, fwiw.

Agree with all previous posts about NSD.

 

[fightincolts]

Goodman seems like a good kid and might have wanted to go into a graduate program. Football-wise it sucks, but moral and ethically wise it is good for the kid.

 

[ThePiombino]

Is it possible he was just granted entry into a graduate program, but not necessarily a 5th year on the football team?

 

[irishff1014]

Is it possible he was just granted entry into a graduate program, but not necessarily a 5th year on the football team?

I hope so!!

 

[irishfanjho15]

Is it possible he was just granted entry into a graduate program, but not necessarily a 5th year on the football team?

I think this is what has happened. Just my gut. I highly doubt BK has OK'd a 5th year without NSD having passed.

 

[PANDFAN]

The Saints coach said he was informed Monday by Goodman in a text message that the 6-foot-3, 207-pounder was told that he would be a member of the team next season.


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sorry guys i couldnt' get on the damn site last night but this was on the news last night that buddy of mine told me about and then here is the article

 

[rikkitikki08]

Still seems like bs to me

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

What a waste of a roster spot. This better not hurt us in recruiting.

 

[phork]

Cywnar not going to be a 5th year, II reporting.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I don't know wth Rivals is doing. Unless they're getting this straight from the coaching staff, I call BS.

 

[ThePiombino]

Once they report Cave isn't getting a 5th year we'll KNOW it's BS.

 

[connor_in]

The Saints coach said he was informed Monday by Goodman in a text message that the 6-foot-3, 207-pounder was told that he would be a member of the team next season.


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sorry guys i couldnt' get on the damn site last night but this was on the news last night that buddy of mine told me about and then here is the article

Graduate Assistant?????

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Graduate Assistant?????

Interesting idea.

 

[mpkennedy3]

I like grad assistant over 5th year player.

 

[PANDFAN]

I don't know wth Rivals is doing. Unless they're getting this straight from the coaching staff, I call BS.

but a few days following the bowl game, slaughter on fb said...just so you all know..i will be back for my 5th year...so who really knows i guess at this point

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Maybe they're announcing their decision to apply for a 5Y? Because that's entirely within their control.

It would simply contradict everything I know about ND's 5Y process for these decisions to have already been made. Even if Kelly already knows who he wants back, prospective 5Ys have to pass the Faculty Board first, which doesn't convene until after NSD.

Perhaps the process has been changed?

 

[DillonHall]

Maybe they're announcing their decision to apply for a 5Y? Because that's entirely within their control.

It would simply contradict everything I know about ND's 5Y process for these decisions to have already been made. Even if Kelly already knows who he wants back, prospective 5Ys have to pass the Faculty Board first, which doesn't convene until after NSD.

Perhaps the process has been changed?

Has anyone been denied a fifth year by the Faculty Board in the past? Maybe it's just a formality

 

[BGIF]

Has anyone been denied a fifth year by the Faculty Board in the past? Maybe it's just a formality

Not that's been reported to my knowledge. They only announce those accepted. They don't announce who was submitted for approval. Like the lists floating about know it our (or the media's) guesswork.

The coaches make the list of which players they'd offer and submit it for academic approval. I'm sure in the process of compling the nominees/applicants the coaches work closely with Academic Services for Student-Athletes. Considering how ND athletics keep close tabs on players academics I doubt they're are few surprises to the coaches. Over the years there have been some surprises/disappointments to the fans but we obviously don't have all the info on team needs, academics, or the long range plans of the student athlete.

I don't know if Holtz challenged the Faculty Board like he did ND Admissions with borderline candidates but I doubt it. The Faculty Board is an admissions group per se but it would seem impossible to slide a borderline 4 year ND student past a group of ND administrators/faculty where you might with a kid with a HS transcript and recommendations from teachers no one knows personally.

Where Holtz locked horns with Admissions, Davie and Willingham were 180 degrees the other way. They didn't make waves.

Weis understood that ND does things THEIR way and to his credit met early on with Admissions personnel to understand and comply with their process. He also reached out to the Faculty Board to understand their process. His assistants were made aware of what academics were required and then honed in on kids that were within the parameters. Weis instructed his recruiters to check academics of juniors and sophomore prospects so the viable, motivated ones could adjust their HS coursework to take ND required courses or retake a deficient class to gain approval by Admissions.

I suspect Kelly stumbled about in these areas his first year at ND as they were different from procedures UC or the other schools where he coached. Coaches may have held more sway there than ND. At his first NSD Kelly mentioned the number of 5th years coming back or the name of one of them and was quickly corrected by his PR guy that the Faculty Board makes that decision and had not done so yet. At an early presser he also mentioned redshirts then corrected himself and noted to the media, "As you know ND doesn't redshirt. There's an academic process here."

 

[Kak7304]

I like grad assistant over 5th year player.

Grad Assistant-"Wave your hand over your head."
Player-"Then what?"
GA-"Concentrate on making the catch and securing the ball."
Player-"After that?"
GA-"Hand the ball to the ref and jog back to the sideline."

 

[mpkennedy3]

Grad Assistant-"Wave your hand over your head."
Player-"Then what?"
GA-"Concentrate on making the catch and securing the ball."
Player-"After that?"
GA-"Hand the ball to the ref and jog back to the sideline."

Maybe as a Grad Assistant he can teach Theo how to catch a punt!!!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

This makes me very angry. We are working on limited schollies with stud 5th years like KLM, Cave, and Slaughter, and we are still in the race for a number of recruits, and we are giving a 5th year to someone who has done nothing of worth and might be the worst punt returner in the country? I mean, I'm glad he's furthering his education, but he's going to keep someone out of Notre Dame who will probably deserve it more.