'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[Irish#1]

This is the NIL deal we need for Dante.

 

[Irishnuke]

F’n recruiting, dude. Hope the coaches are still in contact with Avery Johnson.

 

[goldendomer89]

The daily fearmongering about this kid's visits is hilarious.

 

[Dale]

Marcus strength and weakness will probably go down as being a players coach through and through. They just need the strength side to vastly outmuscle the other, hopefully some “commits” aren’t taking advantage of that

 

[dublinirish]

F’n recruiting, dude. Hope the coaches are still in contact with Avery Johnson.

They aren't according to ND beat writers

 

[NDBUTCH]

You are also probably someone who was excited for Freeman's "recruiting".

This is big boy recruiting now, not Kelly "settling on

Especially given the "settling for low hanging fruit" in the wake of Steve Angelies verbal last Spring. Now some are complaining about going big.

 

[notredomer23]

Could their handling of QB recruiting also be that Steve Angeli is performing better than expected in the spring?

 

[317Irish]

Could their handling of QB recruiting also be that Steve Angeli is performing better than expected in the spring?

 

[NDVirginia19]

This is all apart of the plan, we know we are going to get Sayin in 2024 so we're going to take an undersized 3* with moxie to provide depth and serve as a great look in the scout team

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Why are we freaking out that he is actually taking OVs when he said he is going to take OVs. Shouldn't we view this as "the sooner he takes OVs, the sooner he commits"?

 

[notredomer23]

Why are we freaking out that he is actually taking OVs when he said he is going to take OVs. Shouldn't we view this as "the sooner he takes OVs, the sooner he commits"?

How else am I supposed to pass time at work then needlessly freak out over a 16 year old? Actually do work? Yeah right.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

How else am I supposed to pass time at work then needlessly freak out over a 16 year old? Actually do work? Yeah right.

Lunch beers. I just had several

 

[Irish#1]

Why are we freaking out that he is actually taking OVs when he said he is going to take OVs. Shouldn't we view this as "the sooner he takes OVs, the sooner he commits"?

Silly question coming from a guy that joined IE back in '07.

 

[ACamp1900]

Anyone else afraid of BK's negative recruiting?

He may not land Dante, but if something he says sticks it could screw things up for ND.

Neg recruit ND so a five star lands in conference instead?? Pretty short sighted by BK

 

[NDdomer2]

Why are we freaking out that he is actually taking OVs when he said he is going to take OVs. Shouldn't we view this as "the sooner he takes OVs, the sooner he commits"?

cant speak for everyone, and certainly nto freaking out. I just am laughing at the "better LSU than aTm" comments like he doesnt have other OVs and hasnt talked about them being someone hes interested in visiting.

The only reason from my eyes to have cause for concern is that every school he appears to be interested in visiting is a school that isnt afraid to play ball from an NIL perspective. So there's certainly reason to want him to NOT take visits, regardless of his statements, but we shouldnt be shocked when he does.

 

[ulukinatme]

Going to be interesting to read the articles down the road about some of these NIL busts. Paying 17, 18 year olds millions because they have a certain number of stars next to their name.

Could you imagine if we gave Dayne Crist a $2M NIL deal?

I hope everyone spending the big bucks gets burned. So many of these kids are overhyped it's ridiculous.
I still think many people are too invested in one 16 year old kid that may or may not pan out at the next level. There's a very good chance he doesn't wind up at ND, I think we need to diversify our approach and look at some other talents.

 

[Blazers46]

2 things on that....

1) If you would have told my 2018 self that "ND recruiting" and "financial package" would be used jointly, I would have assumed you would be talking about summer school tuition. CFB is freaking nuts, and not in a good way.

2) What the hell is market value anyway? Is there some super secret spreadsheet that tabulates future football success and imperfect recruiting rankings, along with bragging rights for select boosters? I say that sarcastically, but using terms like that right now is just crazy to me. There is no way to value this other than what someone is willing to pay. This just proves how imbalanced of a country we live in where some rich boosters are now as important, or even more important, than the staff or university. Again, nuts.

Its fascinating because there is no "salary cap". Market value "is what it is" so it will be interesting to see what things look when the dust settles, if it ever does.

 

[Blazers46]

Anyone else afraid of BK's negative recruiting?

He may not land Dante, but if something he says sticks it could screw things up for ND

Not as much as anyone else's. A smart man would ask "if those TV dinners were so bad why were you there so long". I am sure by now he has heard it all.

 

[stlnd01]

Imagine if five or ten years ago the NCAA had just cut the players a slice of jersey and video game revenue and maybe not freaked when they started talking about a union. Notre Dame might even land its five-star QB at last!

 

[IrishBoognish]

No salary cap and unrestricted free agency is just monumentally dumb.

That said, I'm not terribly worried and think Dante will be Irish. He loves the hell outta ND. He gushed when talking about his stay.


I still think we're fine here.

 

[IrishLax]

I would expect that ND neg recruits (honestly assesses) itself openly to an extent in order to circumvent the efforts of competitors. In other words, we are what we are and have obvious differences/drawbacks when contrasted with other schools. My hope is that the staff is finding ways to promote how our differences make us uniquely powerful while also doing more to bridge the superficials as well. Yes, ND has the career network, history, prestige, academics, but we need Kendrick Lamar to wear the gear (ala Tupac) and that relevant cultural edge. NIL is now a big part of this new era, and ND is gonna have to find ways to flash competitively without losing its character. But anything Kelly has to say, I would think ND is out in front of it, and can retort that the guy who couldn’t cut it in the big games is now gone.

The tried and true 8 Mile rap battle maneuver...

 

[NDPhilly]

Don’t believe Rees / Freeman are dumb enough to not have back-up options unless they’ve received some assurances from Dante. I mean we’ve shut down QB recruiting outside of him.

As Lax mentioned earlier in the thread, the most likely scenario is that Dante wants to go to ND but wants to get a NIL package at market value. If ND didn’t think they could be competitive here with A&M, LSU, etc, they’d have started to explore other options. That doesn’t appear to be the case.

Not sure if I agree with the strategy but all
Is forgiven if they end up with Dante.

 

[Irish4life]

Don’t believe Rees / Freeman are dumb enough to not have back-up options unless they’ve received some assurances from Dante. I mean we’ve shut down QB recruiting outside of him.

As Lax mentioned earlier in the thread, the most likely scenario is that Dante wants to go to ND but wants to get a NIL package at market value. If ND didn’t think they could be competitive here with A&M, LSU, etc, they’d have started to explore other options. That doesn’t appear to be the case.

Not sure if I agree with the strategy but all
Is forgiven if they end up with Dante.

Continue to be perplexed as to why people disagree with this "strategy". Notre Dame feels extremely confident it's top target QB is coming. They sent out 7 offers this cycle, and recruited multiple QBs until they felt great about where they were with their top target. Their confidence is strong enough that even Moore taking visits doesn't change anything. If they're wrong they can attempt to flip a QB they've already offered who's committed elsewhere, or they can send out new QB offers.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Continue to be perplexed as to why people disagree with this "strategy". Notre Dame feels extremely confident it's top target QB is coming. They sent out 7 offers this cycle, and recruited multiple QBs until they felt great about where they were with their top target. Their confidence is strong enough that even Moore taking visits doesn't change anything. If they're wrong they can attempt to flip a QB they've already offered who's committed elsewhere, or they can send out new QB offers.

Will Shipley has entered the chat

 

[Irish4life]

Will Shipley has entered the chat

Not the same situation lol. No one at ND was confident that Shipley was coming. The thinking was that we had a good shot at best. And ND did pretty damn well at RB that cycle even after missing him.

 

[Guyjin37]

I think you have to shoot for the stars if you want to get the stars.

MF and Rees have put all their eggs in the Dante basket and that's totally fine. He's a heavy ND lean, family isn't made of money so he wants to take his visits (I would too). Have to let him do that. He doesn't want to decommit or entertain other offers after he commits, so he can't commit until he takes those visits. There's no way MF and Rees gave him an ultimatum; they have to have told him to go ahead, we're waiting for you and your spot is here when you're ready to commit. That's why Moore said this past week that he knows though a quarterback impacts his class, the schools he's considering will get their offensive guys regardless. You can bet that came straight from MF's mouth.

We should all take a big, collective chill pill and give him time to finish his officials. Let him live a little. I'm happy that he's trying to get those visits over quick--the faster they're done the faster he commits to us.

Make sure you don't have a backup plan. Show Dante he's our man. If we keep that up there is no way another program is going to catch up and he'll be Irish in the end.

 

[GATTACA!]

I think you have to shoot for the stars if you want to get the stars.

MF and Rees have put all their eggs in the Dante basket and that's totally fine. He's a heavy ND lean, family isn't made of money so he wants to take his visits (I would too). Have to let him do that. He doesn't want to decommit or entertain other offers after he commits, so he can't commit until he takes those visits. There's no way MF and Rees gave him an ultimatum; they have to have told him to go ahead, we're waiting for you and your spot is here when you're ready to commit. That's why Moore said this past week that he knows though a quarterback impacts his class, the schools he's considering will get their offensive guys regardless. You can bet that came straight from MF's mouth.

We should all take a big, collective chill pill and give him time to finish his officials. Let him live a little. I'm happy that he's trying to get those visits over quick--the faster they're done the faster he commits to us.

Make sure you don't have a backup plan. Show Dante he's our man. If we keep that up there is no way another program is going to catch up and he'll be Irish in the end.

 

[T-Boone]

Yeah go all in and if it doesn’t eventuate get a transfer for 23.

 

[Irish#1]

I hope everyone spending the big bucks gets burned. So many of these kids are overhyped it's ridiculous.
I still think many people are too invested in one 16 year old kid that may or may not pan out at the next level. There's a very good chance he doesn't wind up at ND, I think we need to diversify our approach and look at some other talents.

Your comment got me thinking. We (fans) of all teams follow their team pretty closely. We all know many of these kids never meet the hype or expectations. I doubt all of the NIL backers follow recruiting enough to know this.

 

[stlnd01]

Yeah go all in and if it doesn’t eventuate get a transfer for 23.

I agree with going all-in on Moore but this does highlight the risks here, because it's so hard for us to play in the transfer market. I'm sure there'll be a few who'd make sense but it's a big ask, unless we change up our undergrad transfer rules considerably in the next 12 months. Maybe we get a 5Y, but who's going to want to do that to sit behind Buchner, who'll probably be a second-year starter by then? And also will Pyne still be here at that point? Doubtful. Eventually the kid's going to want his own team.

So yeah the '23 QB room could be pretty pretty thin. Unless we land a freshman who's able to walk in and contribute right away. Like Moore. Go get him.