'23 FL RB Sedrick Irvin Jr (Stanford Verbal)

[Irishnuke]

 

[Whiskeyjack]

You’re not even reading correctly here boss. He’s still talking about Payne here, of whom he spoke about in the prior sentence.

You're right. But I still haven't seen a direct quote from Nickel or Irvin stating "Notre Dame pulled my scholarship."

Everyone here agrees that would be a shitty thing to do. Historically, it's not something we've done. I'm open to the possibility that it's happening now under CMF, but I'm not willing to read that into the innuendo until we get it from a more reliable source.

We've got plenty of enemies who will jump at any trumped up reason to trash NDFB. If we're suddenly pulling scholarships from committed kids who really wanted to go to ND, where's the outrage?

 

[NDRock]

Puts what to rest? There was nothing in that article that confirmed ND pulled his scholarship. There are a lot of things one can do short of that to incentivize a decommitment.

Football factories pull scholarships. Institutions of higher learning incentivize decommitments. It’s the honorable thing to do.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Football factories pull scholarships. Institutions of higher learning incentivize decommitments. It’s the honorable thing to do.

You don't think there's any meaningful difference between saying, "We're pulling your scholarship, tough luck kid" vs. "We've got targets coming in that are higher on our board, and you probably won't see the field here, but we'll honor your scholarship if you really want to be here."

 

[Dale]

If we're suddenly pulling scholarships from committed kids who really wanted to go to ND, where's the outrage?

 

[HouseofPain]

Crappy thing is that programs do it all the time sans any heat. I recall when Bama gave a scholarship to a Hoover high (Birmingham area) TE whos older bro played OL for them. A couple of weeks before signing day he got the call that there were no more scholarships available and he would be given a "Grey Shirt" for a year then he would get a full ride the next year. The kid had some pretty decent offers (Tenn, Ole Piss, etc) too. Two years later he wasnt even on the Bama roster. No one raised any Cain about that because well...it was Bama and everyone knows Bama is as crooked as it gets.

It just gets me how ND is the devil because they have an honest discussion AFTER a position coach change with SIX months left before signing day.

 

[NDRock]

You don't think there's any meaningful difference between saying, "We're pulling your scholarship, tough luck kid" vs. "We've got targets coming in that are higher on our board, and you probably won't see the field here, but we'll honor your scholarship if you really want to be here."

Not really. The end result is you don't want the kid on your team. Telling a kid who has yet to play a down of their senior season that they "probably won't see the field" is telling them you don't want them.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Not really. The end result is you don't want the kid on your team. Telling a kid who has yet to play a down of their senior season that they "probably won't see the field" is telling them you don't want them.

It'd make a big difference to me. I'd sooner send my sons to be Preferred Walk-Ons at ND than to take a full-ride elsewhere.

 

[T-Boone]

You're right. But I still haven't seen a direct quote from Nickel or Irvin stating "Notre Dame pulled my scholarship."

Everyone here agrees that would be a shitty thing to do. Historically, it's not something we've done. I'm open to the possibility that it's happening now under CMF, but I'm not willing to read that into the innuendo until we get it from a more reliable source.

We've got plenty of enemies who will jump at any trumped up reason to trash NDFB. If we're suddenly pulling scholarships from committed kids who really wanted to go to ND, where's the outrage?

Surely it is similar to when ND honours a scholarship offer to a kid who then gets injured. It is implied he won’t be much actual use to the team (he might be useful to a lesser team) but he gets the scholarship anyway. A player who regresses in usefulness due to skill still gets the scholarship but he knows he could get a better opportunity elsewhere so he leaves.

 

[dad4aa]

You don't think there's any meaningful difference between saying, "We're pulling your scholarship, tough luck kid" vs. "We've got targets coming in that are higher on our board, and you probably won't see the field here, but we'll honor your scholarship if you really want to be here."

I think there is a big difference. I have no problem with a school being upfront and honest…especially during a coaching change and this far before signing day. The student can choose to decommit and look elsewhere or he can keep the scholarship “to his dream school” in this case and try to prove the coaches wrong and earn his playing time. Either way, it is much better than pulling a scholarship and let’s the student decide.

 

[stlnd01]

Not really. The end result is you don't want the kid on your team. Telling a kid who has yet to play a down of their senior season that they "probably won't see the field" is telling them you don't want them.

It's quite different though. One is "You're not the current staff's first choice. We're taking guys we like better at your position. But a deal's a deal and if you want to come, you can." The other is "You're not welcome here and you don't have a scholarship anymore because we're giving it to someone else."

Those are two very different things, and the reality is we don't know which version Notre Dame told Sedrick Irvin and we probably never really will. So believe what you want to believe, I suppose.

 

[Blazers46]

I just love ND is at a place where they are okay with a top10 RB going somewhere else….

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

We are finally at a place where the staff is able to make difficult decisions. For the last 15 years, it feels like we've wanted any player in the top 350. We're getting to the place where a top 30 RB is being "selectively filtered" so we can add 2 prospects the staff like more.

This is great for everyone who wants ND to contend for a championship. If this is what we get hung up on, then you may as well give up any hope of ever reaching the summit. There are a lot of difficult decisions that have to be made daily. I believe our staff is doing what they must and I'm giving them the necessary slack to drive the bus how they see fit.

Only whiny ass people who've never held a position of consequence will find fault with this (or people who don't have shit going on in their own lives). Bring the best talent and coach them up and we have a chance. That's what Freeman and staff are doing and I'm excited for the next 3 years. I just hope ND does what it must to keep Freeman because he's obviously a cold-blooded killer on the recruiting trail.

 

[JerryRice1983]

We are finally at a place where the staff is able to make difficult decisions. For the last 15 years, it feels like we've wanted any player in the top 350. We're getting to the place where a top 30 RB is being "selectively filtered" so we can add 2 prospects the staff like more.

This is great for everyone who wants ND to contend for a championship. If this is what we get hung up on, then you may as well give up any hope of ever reaching the summit. There are a lot of difficult decisions that have to be made daily. I believe our staff is doing what they must and I'm giving them the necessary slack to drive the bus how they see fit.

Only whiny ass people who've never held a position of consequence will find fault with this (or people who don't have shit going on in their own lives). Bring the best talent and coach them up and we have a chance. That's what Freeman and staff are doing and I'm excited for the next 3 years. I just hope ND does what it must to keep Freeman because he's obviously a cold-blooded killer on the recruiting trail.

The coaches at Columbus is upset because why they lead him on knowing, they was going pull the offer. They just wasn't professional about it. Also, they didn't have no enough respect for the kid to even call him and let him know. Hence why JHill said what he said on twitter. JHilll is Columbus OL coach. However, Its water under the bridge now.

 

[Irish#1]

While I do agree 99.9% of the time, in this case, ND was THE Dream school apparently. Had to be quite the blow. Not that it matters, but I think ND should have left it up to the kids to make the choice.

Dream school for Jr. but apparently not dad per his quote

For me, I’m glad it happened; that wasn’t one of my first choices for him.

I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle regardless of what a coach or others say. Emotions are probably driving a lot of these responses.

 

[Irish#1]

It'd make a big difference to me. I'd sooner send my sons to be Preferred Walk-Ons at ND than to take a full-ride elsewhere.

I can appreciate this, but this is coming from one that has an infinite love for Our Lady. There are many that would take the full ride elsewhere over PWO at ND.

 

[IrishLion]

The coaches at Columbus is upset because why they lead him on knowing, they was going pull the offer. They just wasn't professional about it. Also, they didn't have no enough respect for the kid to even call him and let him know. Hence why JHill said what he said on twitter. JHilll is Columbus OL coach. However, Its water under the bridge now.

You think he was lead on because they stayed in contact as if he were on solid ground, had him visit, didn't talk to him in person about it at the Spring Game, etc. I get that.

But something changed shortly after the B&G game... they must have gotten confirmation from Limar that he was officially in, and then heard good news about where they stand with Love, too. And even if they had Irvin helping recruit Limar, that doesn't necessarily mean they planned on using him to recruit knowing he was getting pushed out. Maybe they made that decision the same morning they called Sedrick's father, after a recruiting meeting or something. They got a second RB commitment after Sedrick, and feel good about a third. They established a pecking order, and let Sedrick's father knew where things stood. Maybe they didn't call Sedrick directly because his father is the one acting as the point man? It seems kind of that way based on his recent interview... and there's nothing wrong with that, btw. I'd like to think I'd be the call-screener for my son in his recruitment, too.

It honestly seems like it WAS handled professionally, as long as they weren't knowingly stringing him along during B&G weekend... and even then, they're walking a tightrope with other high school kids making decisions, and things change. Giving him 6 months to figure out what works best is a much better situation than many kids get, so I don't get the level of angst and 'chip on the shoulder' stuff, to be honest.

 

[JerryRice1983]

You think he was lead on because they stayed in contact as if he were on solid ground, had him visit, didn't talk to him in person about it at the Spring Game, etc. I get that.

But something changed shortly after the B&G game... they must have gotten confirmation from Limar that he was officially in, and then heard good news about where they stand with Love, too. And even if they had Irvin helping recruit Limar, that doesn't necessarily mean they planned on using him to recruit knowing he was getting pushed out. Maybe they made that decision the same morning they called Sedrick's father, after a recruiting meeting or something. They got a second RB commitment after Sedrick, and feel good about a third. They established a pecking order, and let Sedrick's father knew where things stood.

It honestly seems like it WAS handled professionally, as long as they weren't knowingly stringing him along during B&G weekend... and even then, they're walking a tightrope with other high school kids making decisions, and things change. Giving him 6 months to figure out what works best is a much better situation than many kids get, so I don't get the level of angst and 'chip on the shoulder' stuff, to be honest.

ND didn't just wake up that Friday and decide to pull the offer. They knew ahead of time that they was going to do that. Lets not be naive here. In the article, The dad is telling the truth. I dont know why people in here trying to create another narrative.

 

[IrishLion]

ND didn't just wake up that Friday and decide to pull the offer. They knew ahead of time that they was going to do that. Lets not be naive here. In the article, The dad is telling the truth. I dont know why people in here trying to create another narrative.

I'm just saying, something changed, right? So is the angst that they pulled the offer after letting him visit for the B&G game, or is it because they called his dad instead of him?

I'm not sure how else ND should have handled it if they decided there were two guys in the class ahead of Sedrick in the pecking order. Tell someone that they like better 'no thanks' just to avoid a tough conversation with Sedrick and/or his dad?

Encouraging him find a better situation for himself seemed like the right move for everyone, especially this far out from NSD.

 

[ab2cmiller]

The coaches at Columbus is upset because why they lead him on knowing, they was going pull the offer. They just wasn't professional about it. Also, they didn't have no enough respect for the kid to even call him and let him know. Hence why JHill said what he said on twitter. JHilll is Columbus OL coach. However, Its water under the bridge now.

Can you once and for all, totally clarify how he was notified?

You said Dad was texted. What was said exactly? What was Dad's response?

You've basically said that ND contacted Dad and said we are dropping your son. No attempt to contact Sedrick Jr..

I just don't buy it.

 

[Armyirish47]

Can you once and for all, totally clarify how he was notified?

You said Dad was texted. What was said exactly? What was Dad's response?

You've basically said that ND contacted Dad and said we are dropping your son. No attempt to contact Sedrick Jr..

I just don't buy it.

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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

ND didn't just wake up that Friday and decide to pull the offer. They knew ahead of time that they was going to do that. Lets not be naive here. In the article, The dad is telling the truth. I dont know why people in here trying to create another narrative.

I don't think a narrative is needed. The staff identified 2-3 players they wanted more than Sedrick. They let Sedrick know (somehow) and now both parties are moving in different directions. I don't chase ex-girlfriends trying to belittle them or harass them about how they handled the breakup. Because it's fucking petty.

Sedrick and his family don't need to chase ND shouting about how they handled it. It's done and both parties can go where they need to. If you are a fan of ND like the rest of us, please join us on other threads discussing the team. Otherwise, there's nothing else to discuss.

 

[JerryRice1983]

Can you once and for all, totally clarify how he was notified?

You said Dad was texted. What was said exactly? What was Dad's response?

You've basically said that ND contacted Dad and said we are dropping your son. No attempt to contact Sedrick Jr..

I just don't buy it.

Did you read the article?

 

[JerryRice1983]

I don't think a narrative is needed. The staff identified 2-3 players they wanted more than Sedrick. They let Sedrick know (somehow) and now both parties are moving in different directions. I don't chase ex-girlfriends trying to belittle them or harass them about how they handled the breakup. Because it's fucking petty.

Sedrick and his family don't need to chase ND shouting about how they handled it. It's done and both parties can go where they need to. If you are a fan of ND like the rest of us, please join us on other threads discussing the team. Otherwise, there's nothing else to discuss.

Once again you still missing the entire point but ok. You win

 

[NDMatt91]

Regardless of what happened, it's better that this happened now while he still has an entire summer and Senior season ahead of him. If he were committed to a SEC school or OSU this would've happened close to signing day.

 

[Dale]

Stanford CBs following his OV there.

 

[stlnd01]

Stanford CBs following his OV there.

Nice. Good for him.

 

[House16]

Stanford CBs following his OV there.

Good for him. Really happy to see him land on his feet. I hope he's the one bright spot on an otherwise terrible Stanford team for the next few years.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Waiting for Jerry Rice to let us know the real story...

 

[irish o'phile]

Seems like academics really are important and it’s not just lip service. Good for him.