'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

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You got to get used to the idea that the elite talent-committed or not- is going to be recruited until the end. Last I checked Keeley is still committed to the Irish. And while he was on his visit to T Town, Bama had a committed 5star DB visiting A&M. It’s gonna happen as you get to the top 4-5 in recruiting. Got to accept it and hope your school can close the deal in the end. So far I have read that the sky is falling in South Bend and MFF is failing. Neither of which is true. You guys are ND… and that still means something in CFB. Reminding yourself of that often will help get you through the rough patches… especially in recruiting.
Agree to all and I think it’s a good reminder that this is what we should expect if we’re going to take the next step in recruiting.
Out of curiosity, how are the Bama message boards handling the DB visiting A&M. I doubt that the concern ever fully goes away, but to me it’s a good sign that ND is facing 1st world problems for the first time in a long time.
 

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You got to get used to the idea that the elite talent-committed or not- is going to be recruited until the end. Last I checked Keeley is still committed to the Irish. And while he was on his visit to T Town, Bama had a committed 5star DB visiting A&M. It’s gonna happen as you get to the top 4-5 in recruiting. Got to accept it and hope your school can close the deal in the end. So far I have read that the sky is falling in South Bend and MFF is failing. Neither of which is true. You guys are ND… and that still means something in CFB. Reminding yourself of that often will help get you through the rough patches… especially in recruiting.
We don't mind getting beat on a level playing field. But when we lose an important recruit because another program is willing to drop bags due to a "creative" interpretation of the NIL rules, that feels pretty bad. It's hard enough trying to climb this mountain and challenge the Big Three on top without them cheating to maintain their dominance as well.
 
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If you are bringing solid info (good or bad) using tangible thoughts and sources, no one will ever ask you to "GTFO." This board is actually pretty tolerable of differing opinions, IMO. This rant isn't directed at you, I just saw your post and didn't want you to think you're not welcome. We were all "new" posters at one point in time, and many of us stayed because we genuinely enjoyed this community and the banter about the program. The drivel these new guys (not you) are bringing here isn't banter in the slightest.

As Whiskey astutely pointed out, if you are just here to troll (again, not saying you have or intend to) you're going to wear out your welcome pretty quickly.

Keeley hasn't even decommitted yet and we have posters saying Freeman isn't cut out for the job? WTF kind of opinion is that? That's such a bad take it makes me question the emotional fortitude of the man behind the keyboard. These are 16-18 year old kids who are being wine and dined by Saban, Smart, Dabo, Day, etc. and now these "big 4," highly successful coaches get to throw a bag full of cash at these kids on top of it all.

There is always going to be turbulence in recruiting. But to bring whole threads into a meltdown state is just asinine and it needs to stop. That's all we're trying to say.
Thank you, No I wasnt planning on doing the trolling thing. Just to talk recruiting and football
 

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We don't mind getting beat on a level playing field. But when we lose an important recruit because another program is willing to drop bags due to a "creative" interpretation of the NIL rules, that feels pretty bad. It's hard enough trying to climb this mountain and challenge the Big Three on top without them cheating maintain their dominance as well.
I don’t think Bama is dropping loads of cash to recruits. I do think Saban was smart enough to inform everyone that his players made in excess of $3 mil on NIL deals however. Saban isn’t going to cross lines that is going to put his program in jeopardy. Especially for one or two players. But he is going to use what’s legally available to try and beat the opposition on the trail.

As far as the reaction to the DB going to A&M this past weekend, it was pretty subdued for the most part. Most feel he is solid and is enjoying the process. Time will tell I guess.
 

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I don’t think Bama is dropping loads of cash to recruits. I do think Saban was smart enough to inform everyone that his players made in excess of $3 mil on NIL deals however.
Something changed recently with 'Bama recruiting. Your boosters receiving the Saban Signal about needing to up their game to aTm levels seems like the most reasonable explanation.

That's nouveau riche little brother bullshit, so I expect it from Jimbo. 'Bama shouldn't need to.
 

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Something changed recently with 'Bama recruiting. Your boosters receiving the Saban Signal about needing to up their game to aTm levels seems like the most reasonable explanation.

That's nouveau riche little brother bullshit, so I expect it from Jimbo. 'Bama shouldn't need to.
Not so much. Everyone that’s committed recently has been heavy leans anyways. Now, if we start pulling players that we feel we are behind on, then the conversation may be more warranted.
 

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Not so much. Everyone that’s committed recently has been heavy leans anyways. Now, if we start pulling players that we feel we are behind on, then the conversation may be more warranted.
Put a pin in this re Keeley. There is no way you pull that family away from ND without a significant bag that we aren't willing to match.
 

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I'll try to derail the thread with some negativity of my own; this paternalistic, well-wishing Bama shit makes me want to throw up. Go poison some trees or something.

Just kidding, sort of.
I have never poisoned a tree. Put some water in the gas tank of a Barner’s car one time though. Dumb shi* blamed it on a T Town gas station.
 

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Except you seem to forget something about that game. Freeman took the play calling duties away from Elston in the fourth quarter and the defense played better and gave ND a chance in that game. The wheels were falling off with Elston calling plays and Freeman made an in game decision to strip him of the duty. I am not looking at that game incorrectly, you are.
the D did not play better, we got lucky on two fumbles.
 

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Even Alinen was a tad suspect of a pull by Bama. Everyone had Bama as the long leader and then Miami had the steam. What’s a way to fend off what Miami was possibly getting momentum with?

Matching the offer. $$$
 

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Something changed recently with 'Bama recruiting. Your boosters receiving the Saban Signal about needing to up their game to aTm levels seems like the most reasonable explanation.

That's nouveau riche little brother bullshit, so I expect it from Jimbo. 'Bama shouldn't need to.


I think they just started wrapping up the 5 star and high 4 star guys they were always gonna get. Of course NIL $$ plays a part, but it doesn't seem like they suddenly turned on the money fountain to get every recruit.

Working on someone already committed like Keeley might make NIL more prominent in the pitch, but it's Bama. Saban can pull talent almost at will.
 

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Even Alinen was a tad suspect of a pull by Bama. Everyone had Bama as the long leader and then Miami had the steam. What’s a way to fend off what Miami was possibly getting momentum with?

Matching the offer. $$$
We didn’t need Alinen. He is more of a longer term project.
 

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We took him knowing Young was a silent commit. Wouldn’t make much sense to bend any rules there.

Glad their was room for the 5 star back your rival wanted lol

We didn’t need Alinen. He is more of a longer term project.

I don’t get your implication with these. You’re implying no way they used NIL because we didn’t need them?
 

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Working on someone already committed like Keeley might make NIL more prominent in the pitch, but it's Bama. Saban can pull talent almost at will.
We're very competitive for athlete compensation once they get on campus. What we're not competitive in is guaranteed up front payments in exchange for commits. Keon's mom said that if a program offered them seven figures, they'd have to listen. Coincidence?
 

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Put a pin in this re Keeley. There is no way you pull that family away from ND without a significant bag that we aren't willing to
Glad their was room for the 5 star back your rival wanted lol



I don’t get your implication with these. You’re implying no way they used NIL because we didn’t need them?
I would highly doubt money changed hands for a player that fits in the category of developmental. Alinen may have NIL deals once he gets on campus that he can advantage of. Why would Saban throw out the $3 mil number otherwise?
 

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We're very competitive for athlete compensation once they get on campus. What we're not competitive in is guaranteed up front payments in exchange for commits. Keon's mom said that if a program offered them seven figures, they'd have to listen. Coincidence?
You know just as I do that Saban isn’t going to go for that. I am sure he sat down with the family and said that the school is set up for players to maximize their NIL opportunities. But he isn’t about to jeopardize his program for one DE… no matter how highly ranked he may be.
 

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We're very competitive for athlete compensation once they get on campus. What we're not competitive in is guaranteed up front payments in exchange for commits. Keon's mom said that if a program offered them seven figures, they'd have to listen. Coincidence?
Im not saying they aren't throwing a chunk at Keeley - I'm sure they are.

But, overall, I don't believe Bama's recent ramp-up is primarily due to everyone cashing their checks at the same time.
 

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Sounds like everyone likes the CJ Carr commit? Lol

I just don't see the point of echochambering positive news or things I'm already cool with or agree with

I just post about things I disagree about or am dissatisfied with

It usually gives people a case of the mads like it is now

They will act self righteous in their capacity for hearing a dissenting viewpoint but not really

The issue will always be posed as "not substantive" or "redundant" or "emoting"

But posting "Yes!! We got CJ Carr" is equal parts not substantive, redundant, and emoting

I've got the warning from the resident Tuff Guy moderator so will tone it down
Not trying to gang up on you, because as Whiskey mentioned, we have several long-time posters that shade toward being the “negative” guys, or at least are careful not to let their highs get too high. And this board in general trends toward a more positive, rosy outlook than the other boards, so we need those voices… but those voices are held to a higher standard, because they naturally cause more of a reaction.

And the problems crop up when you take everything personally when you get challenged on your negativity, and act like you’re the only smart person in the room because you’re acknowledging “facts” that the Pollyanna's won’t. You accuse others of acting like toddlers, but you seem to be the one stamping your feet about knowing what it takes for ND to win a natty, everyone else’s potential positivity be damned.

We call this the “Koonja Method.” Never agree with anyone about anything remotely positive, entrench yourself in negative stances as a contrarian because you think it brings value, refuse to admit happiness about things every now and again (or act like an arrogant smartass dickhead when you do), and generally do nothing but get into roundabout debates about your negativity where you can never be “wrong” because you somehow have a wider perspective than people that choose to be positive.

The thing is: your perspective is as narrow as the other side’s… the difference is that yours will always be open to challenge because of how people react to negativity, and you know it, but you will be the guy getting “attacked” for being a “realist.”

It’s a cycle, and after so long, whether intentional or not, you’ve become a troll who’s only purpose is to debate, belittle and annoy people you disagree with… which will be most of the board.

We’ve seen this movie on this board a bunch of times, but somehow we always come out on top as the best place on the internet to talk Irish football. So try to throw the other side a bone or two sometimes, and stick around. Eventually, ACamp will attack you for your Mexican food preferences, and then you will REALLY be part of the family.
 

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Wasted 19 minutes ready nothing. Anyone have the latest?
Nothing has changed, and tbh I'd be very surprised if there is any "real" action here before he starts taking visits this fall. At the end of the day, I think he ends up wherever has the best total package for him. Might be Bama, might be a Florida school, might be ND.
 

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Most posters here seem to have a pretty realistic grasp on where we stand vis-a-vis the Big 3. We're closer now than we've been in the last 30 years, but it would still take a good deal of luck to win another title, and if this NIL chaos doesn't get reined in, we may never see another one. You are one of the few who seems unable to accept that, though.

Has nothing to do with "dissent." We welcome alternative points of view as long as they're substantive and respectfully expressed. That's not what you're doing.

This is an NDFB message board. The one thing that brings us all together is our shared love of the program. Reading criticism of something you love is unpleasant, so negative posts are held to a higher standard here than elsewhere. That's a standard that you and @PutuporShutup are not remotely close to meeting. Be substantive and respectful or get banned, simple as.

There are mods/ owners here that share your negativity. The difference is that their posts have substance, and don't invite the sort of low-value emotive responses that yours do.

Let's be clear about this. You're not some brave clear-eyed rationalist bringing the unvarnished truth to a bunch of Pollyannas here. You have not posted a single original thought on IE; it's all shit we've seen a thousand times before. You're just another middle- aged dude who can't deal constructively with his anxiety about the team, so you force us to read your emotionally driven contentless garbage. We aren't interested in serving as your personal support group.

The lack of self- awareness here is gobsmacking.

You and a couple other newbies have dragged this board down to the level of the paysite public boards recently, and I won't stand for it. Do better, or GTFO.
Whiskey finally getting to be the bully he always dreamed of. To say GTFO to someone that hasn't even come close to crossing the line is pretty bad.

You talk about substance, where is any of that in this post to explain what was said that's wrong? All this reads as is you haven't been here long enough to have an opinion that isn't popular.

Why do people get so defensive over different opinions, when they are at least supported?
 
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Richard Young took down his tweet that he was confident he was going to flip Keeley... must not be confident anymore
Or maybe we just dropped some bags on Richard's front porch and we are flipping him to ND.
 

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Does joining in with the masses and saying "great get with CJ!" allow you to then post about areas of improvement needed in the program/team?
Yeah for anything mean you say you have to say something nice

"Tommy Rees can't recruit, can't run away from cops, can't coach, and can't grow a beard to save his life -- but I really liked the coach's polo he was wearing yesterday, anyone know where I can get one?" <---perfectly balanced
 

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Whiskey finally getting to be the bully he always dreamed of. To say GTFO to someone that hasn't even come close to crossing the line is pretty bad.

You talk about substance, where is any of that in this post to explain what was said that's wrong? All this reads as is you haven't been here long enough to have an opinion that isn't popular.
Relentlessly negative; insubstantial, emotionally-driven posts; and disrespectful of others. Just like your post here. I explained it clearly and several times in the post you quoted above.

You were tagged in it for a reason. Do better, or get banned.
 
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