'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

[ndfanatic78]

Especially given the family background,… idk what’s KK’s is at all but many have the mindset that 50 bucks today is better than 200 bucks by next week. Which is exactly why they need the 50 so badly.

Yeah that’s the reason they need the money so badly. You nailed it.

 

[ACamp1900]

Yeah that’s the reason they need the money so badly. You nailed it.

Well, there are obviously more complexities and dynamics in the greater picture so apologies if it came of as simplistic but yeah,... this isn't an overly controversial idea and the thought of anyone taking fast but short money over the whole 40-year decision thing does speak to the whole Ruby Payne kind of point,... and family can absolutely add pressure to all this, which is why I even mentioned it in this discussion. Again, no idea what is going on with Keeley's dynamics specifically.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

You are obviously a great recruiter. Thanks for clarifying.

You asked an odd question, didn't mean to offend; Keeley decommitted for reasons other than us not having a QB, and Minchey isn't going to change that. You think he was committed based on the prospects of us getting Dante Moore? Or do you think he was committed to a great defensive coach like Marcus Freeman, before Nick Saban turned up the heat?

ND has a TON at their disposal to use for recruiting, that goes without saying. You don't need to have a 5 star QB to get DEs to come play ball for you. I can certainly see that argument for skill position guys. But I don't see the correlation between Moore and Keeley. If it came down to QBs, I'm sure Keeley is aware that CJ Carr is in the fold and they're only one class apart.

Moving on.

 

[stlnd01]

Well, there are obviously more complexities and dynamics in the greater picture so apologies if it came of as simplistic but yeah,... this isn't an overly controversial idea and the thought of anyone taking fast but short money over the whole 40-year decision thing does speak to the whole Ruby Payne kind of point,... and family can absolutely add pressure to all this, which is why I even mentioned it in this discussion. Again, no idea what is going on with Keeley's dynamics specifically.

Yeah I don't know anything about Keeley's personal financial situation (though I do note he attends a rather expensive private school, perhaps on scholarship of course). And of course money in the hand today can be more valuable than the promise of money in the future. That's kind of a core tenent of business, across many industries.

What you don't know, what you can't really know in a situation like this, is if in the end you'll do better by forgoing the upfront money and playing the long game. If you can swing it in the short-term. And I worry that with upfront NIL a lot of kids - or in some cases their families - will see the dollar signs now and make the wrong long-term decision for themselves.

But ultimately that's their decision to make.

 

[ThePiombino]

To be clear, I'm not talking about "bird in hand" where there are no guarantees of "two in the bush". I'm talking apples to apples - take your illegal bag now or take your legal bag later, same sum. What's the draw of taking her bag now other than added risk?

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[ndfanatic78]

Yeah I don't know anything about Keeley's personal financial situation (though I do note he attends a rather expensive private school, perhaps on scholarship of course). And of course money in the hand today can be more valuable than the promise of money in the future. That's kind of a core tenent of business, across many industries.

What you don't know, what you can't really know in a situation like this, is if in the end you'll do better by forgoing the upfront money and playing the long game. If you can swing it in the short-term. And I worry that with upfront NIL a lot of kids - or in some cases their families - will see the dollar signs now and make the wrong long-term decision for themselves.

But ultimately that's their decision to make.

True, but a lot of families can not wait for the money. The overwhelming majority of Americans live pay check to pay check and can not afford a $500 dollar emergency without going into debt. If someone gives you a contract for millions of dollars guaranteed and someone else tells you we got millions of dollars too but you need to do certain things for it and it is not guaranteed in a contract any American with any business sense takes the contract for the guaranteed money. That is a no brainier and literally the American way. We live in America where no one gives a crap about their neighbors except for the money you can extract from them. I don't expect 17 year old football players and their families to behave any differently.

 

[NDpendent]

I keep seeing it assumed that Keeley recruitment is primarily motivated by NIL and I don't think its fair to him to make that assumption. He stayed committed to Notre Dame for a long time and you don't think he had offers for tons of money long before he decommited? It might have played some role but I don't think its fair to make any assumptions about it. The kid is looking at Ohio State and Bama! I think the biggest driving forces are contending for a championship and getting drafted high and both OSU and Bama have a much better track record of that then Notre Dame in the past ten years.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

In terms of DEs, Alabama does not have a better track record than ND. Maybe he was holding off for enough money thrown at him to decommit from ND? We'll never know.

 

[NDpendent]

In terms of DEs, Alabama does not have a better track record than ND. Maybe he was holding off for enough money thrown at him to decommit from ND? We'll never know.

That's exactly my point, we don't know. If we start blaming every recruitment we don't win on NIL than we are going to start sounding like the people on the Michigan board. If all he cared about was the bag why isn't he looking at schools like Tennessee, Miami and ATM instead?

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I keep seeing it assumed that Keeley recruitment is primarily motivated by NIL and I don't think its fair to him to make that assumption. He stayed committed to Notre Dame for a long time and you don't think he had offers for tons of money long before he decommited? It might have played some role but I don't think its fair to make any assumptions about it. The kid is looking at Ohio State and Bama! I think the biggest driving forces are contending for a championship and getting drafted high and both OSU and Bama have a much better track record of that then Notre Dame in the past ten years.

That's exactly my point, we don't know. If we start blaming every recruitment we don't win on NIL than we are going to start sounding like the people on the Michigan board. If all he cared about was the bag why isn't he looking at schools like Tennessee, Miami and ATM instead?

I get the championships arguement, at least with Bama. But in terms of putting DEs in the league, ND is better than Bama. Without looking, they are both behind OSU with the Bosa's and Young in the league.

I'm not saying he left solely due to NIL, I'm not sure why it took so long for him to decommit and why it's taking so long for him to commit. However, it seems to be widely known that kids are getting paid to visit, getting paid to not visit, so NIL is the easiest scapegoat. It is very interesting that both Day and Saban went public about how much money they would need for their teams though.

Maybe he is doing what Lyons is doing, he blew up and wants to go through the process. Whatver it is, he probably isn't coming here.

 

[Irishdrunk]

He will be in play until he signs a Letter of Intent.

I am sure Freeman will re-approach and look to close again. You can't let ego or temperament get in the way of closing. ABC = Always Be Closing.

 

[stlnd01]

True, but a lot of families can not wait for the money. The overwhelming majority of Americans live pay check to pay check and can not afford a $500 dollar emergency without going into debt. If someone gives you a contract for millions of dollars guaranteed and someone else tells you we got millions of dollars too but you need to do certain things for it and it is not guaranteed in a contract any American with any business sense takes the contract for the guaranteed money. That is a no brainier and literally the American way. We live in America where no one gives a crap about their neighbors except for the money you can extract from them. I don't expect 17 year old football players and their families to behave any differently.

I don't know. I'm well aware how many people paycheck to paycheck, but also lots and lots of people forgo immediate financial benefit for longer-term potential gain. In all sorts of scenarios. It all depends on how you weigh the short-term and long-term benefits, and your immediate needs.

In this case, there's a lot we don't know. But if the world as you describe is a universal truth, it's going to be very very hard for Notre Dame to recruit anyone to its football team. And that does not seem to be the situation.

 

[ndfanatic78]

I don't know. I'm well aware how many people paycheck to paycheck, but also lots and lots of people forgo immediate financial benefit for longer-term potential gain. In all sorts of scenarios. It all depends on how you weigh the short-term and long-term benefits, and your immediate needs.

In this case, there's a lot we don't know. But if the world as you describe is a universal truth, it's going to be very very hard for Notre Dame to recruit anyone to its football team. And that does not seem to be the situation.

Gotta disagree with your last statement. ND can still compete with NIL. They can’t compete with the teams that are giving contracts with guaranteed money which they appear to be losing most of those.

 

[choo choo]

Not sure where to ask this but when is signing day?

 

[notredomer23]

Not sure where to ask this but when is signing day?

December 21st the madness ends for most of the 2023 class.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Screw the upfront money. I’d hold out for a Bobby Bonilla deal

 

[stlnd01]

Gotta disagree with your last statement. ND can still compete with NIL. They can’t compete with the teams that are giving contracts with guaranteed money which they appear to be losing most of those.

I agree we need to up our NIL game, especially for the biggest fish. But we appear to have beaten upfront NIL programs for several good players this cycle. Love (A&M). Gray (LSU). Limar (Oregon). Hopefully Bowen (A&M). There are probably others.

 

[Irishnuke]

Keon and ND broke up. I know it’s hard for some people to accept, but Keon has moved on and has been spotted on vacation with a Jiu-Jitsu instructor and won’t be coming back.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Keon and ND broke up. I know it’s hard for some people to accept, but Keon has moved on and has been spotted on vacation with a Jiu-Jitsu instructor and won’t be coming back.

Personal experiences are our greatest teachers, right?

 

[NDdomer2]

Not sure where to ask this but when is signing day?

I expect more from a "crusty veteran"

 

[GATTACA!]

I don't know. I'm well aware how many people paycheck to paycheck, but also lots and lots of people forgo immediate financial benefit for longer-term potential gain. In all sorts of scenarios. It all depends on how you weigh the short-term and long-term benefits, and your immediate needs.

In this case, there's a lot we don't know. But if the world as you describe is a universal truth, it's going to be very very hard for Notre Dame to recruit anyone to its football team. And that does not seem to be the situation.

The thing is taking the immediate financial benefit in this scenario is that it’s both an impulsive and prudent move depending on the player/family. We just won't know which it is until everything plays out. There's a reason you're always supposed to take the lump sum over the annual payment if you win the lottery. The interest you gain on the large lump sum eventually outpaces the annual payments.

 

[IAIrish]

Almost every business in the world takes money in hand yesterday over tomorrow. It's good business. Money today is worth much, much, much more than money tomorrow? or some later date and that's not even taking inflation into account.

Not true. The exact opposite is. I work in the financial industry.

 

[ACamp1900]

Keon and ND broke up. I know it’s hard for some people to accept, but Keon has moved on and has been spotted on vacation with a Jiu-Jitsu instructor and won’t be coming back.

Dat make up sex tho

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

A bird in the hand
Give them 2 birds
Go Irish☘☘☘☘

 

[arndtjc]

Wheres Sea Turtle with some dumb palindrome (edit: palindrome haiku whatever i’m stupid) about Keon coming to campus?

The winds from the south bring joy to the north, all isn’t lost, but hope on the rainbow is found. Hold strong and true etc etc

 

[StPaul_Irish]

A bird in the hand
Give them 2 birds
Go Irish☘☘☘☘

But it has to be your bull

 

[NDFAN420]

Inflation is only a problem in America, as I understand it. I am assuming the parts it isn't touching include the SEC, USC and Texas.

Meanwhile at SMU, NIL means getting a coupon for a 99 cent Frosty at Wendy's.

Screw the upfront money. I’d hold out for a Bobby Bonilla deal

The Mets just did it again too with their closer.

 

[MacIrish75]

Wheres Sea Turtle with some dumb palindrome about Keon coming to campus?

The winds from the south bring joy to the north, all isn’t lost, but hope on the rainbow is found. Hold strong and true etc etc

Do geese see God?

 

[NDdomer2]

Race Car

 

[choo choo]

I expect more from a "crusty veteran"

Lol. Maybe getting too crusty