'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

[MacIrish75]

Tom’s reply

I mean that hoodie is pretty dope, though…

 

[BigHossBU]

Loy is an absolute dweeb. He continued to go on a rant telling us how hard he works, whether it’s appreciated or not.

If I had a dollar for every time he reminded us of this, I’d have enough for a years subscription.

 

[PutuporShutup]

And we'll do the same eventually if Freeman keeps stacking classes like this one.

Georgia has over 20 to 25 five stars last 5 years… we aren’t sniffing that …. 8 five stars in their 2018 class alone

We aren’t going to get talent to win it all with average qb play

This is a really good class nd has a chance to lane but not anywhere like some of the best last 5 years

 

[PutuporShutup]

He has a lot to replace this season, I doubt they’ll be as successful. Keep in mind, ND should’ve beat GA the last two times we played. So we are closer than you think.

Great games, both teams were deserving… we had our shots and failed last drive each time

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Georgia has over 20 to 25 five stars last 5 years… we aren’t sniffing that …. 8 five stars in their 2018 class alone

We aren’t going to get talent to win it all with average qb play

This is a really good class nd has a chance to lane but not anywhere like some of the best last 5 years

You are a fucking broken record. What is your goal with these reminders?

We'll never be "X", we'll never recruit like "x", we can't sniff "x"

We just want to do it as well as we can as Notre Dame. That's it. We hope that level continues to elevate but what is your fVcking point?!?!

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Great games, both teams were deserving… we had our shots and failed last drive each time

This just makes Whiskey's point even more.

 

[MacIrish75]

Loy is an absolute dweeb. He continued to go on a rant telling us how hard he works, whether it’s appreciated or not.

If I had a dollar for every time he reminded us of this, I’d have enough for a years subscription.

Tom gives off serious “I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS” vibes, for sure.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Georgia has over 20 to 25 five stars last 5 years… we aren’t sniffing that …. 8 five stars in their 2018 class alone

We aren’t going to get talent to win it all with average qb play

This is a really good class nd has a chance to lane but not anywhere like some of the best last 5 years

That's why I included Clemson in the original post you quoted. No, we're not likely to do it with a full quarter of our roster as 5-stars and an average QB. Nor are we likely to do it with a handful of 5-stars and a generational talent at QB. Our path will likely be something between those two extremes.

 

[INLaw]

Meme game skrong in here

 

[ACamp1900]

Have some self-respect, man.

A self respecting IE poster!?!? Come on Whisky… lolol

 

[Whiskeyjack]

A self respecting IE poster!?!? Come on Whisky… lolol

It's possible to fall short of even our very low standards.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Look, until we get 5 star kids to sign and push into the top 5, it is what it is. I think we have a good chance of changing that. Ohio State has no problem signing 5 star players, regardless of recent developments. Bama recruits better than us. We are like Kansas State to Bama.

Bama stays claiming Natty’s from years they lost to us. They’re an f’ing Ricky Bobby football program lol

 

[Irish#1]

I'd rather read a book of du Lac posts before I'd watch that piece of shit again.

Shots fired!

 

[du Lac]

Get Keon this face mask asap

 

[dublinirish]

has his mom always been so active on twitter? she seems to be loving the attention lately

 

[NDPhilly]

Get Keon this face mask asap

Lean Sophomore year Tuitt > chubby Junior year Tuitt

 

[dublinirish]

Junior Year Tuitt was so infuriating to watch.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I will be the ray of sunshine in this thread. We don't know, what we don't know, therefore we're in a good spot until we read different.

 

[NorthDakota]

Look, until we get 5 star kids to sign and push into the top 5, it is what it is. I think we have a good chance of changing that. Ohio State has no problem signing 5 star players, regardless of recent developments. Bama recruits better than us. We are like Kansas State to Bama.

No. Kansas State's history is absolute trash other than one coach. Their program is built on 2-3 stars and JUCO guys.

What Snyder did there (TWICE!) is admirable, what Klieman is doing there is respectable. But their ceiling is being a team who doesn't beat themselves and does the little things right.

Notre Dame's ceiling is recruiting some of the best kids in the country and winning a ton of games on talent alone.

The only similarity between K-State and ND is that both schools have some limitations relative to their peers that requires them to do things a bit differently.

 

[du Lac]

No. Kansas State's history is absolute trash other than one coach. Their program is built on 2-3 stars and JUCO guys.

What Snyder did there (TWICE!) is admirable, what Klieman is doing there is respectable. But their ceiling is being a team who doesn't beat themselves and does the little things right.

Notre Dame's ceiling is recruiting some of the best kids in the country and winning a ton of games on talent alone.

The only similarity between K-State and ND is that both schools have some limitations relative to their peers that requires them to do things a bit differently.

If I said we are like Bama to Kansas State, which we are, nobody would argue. Flip it and everyone gets their period.

Here are some facts. The gap to 322 is wide, about 47 points last year. In 2021 that gap was 58. 2020 it was 60+. I believe MF will close it more than Kelly. Hold onto Bowen and Keeley and we are getting close. Perhaps KSU at 175 last year was a poor comp to our 100 pts better, but the concept is what matters. I used them as an example as we are currently flipping their RB like Bama is our DE. And the gap isn’t as earthshakingly crazy different between us and KSU and us and Bama as some are pretending.

A better mathematical comp would be we are like Bama to Cal, Pitt, or Mizzou, who reside about 40-60 points lower than us.

If people want to get their panties in a bunch I can’t help that. Beat Ohio State and the gap will close.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Flip it and everyone gets their period.


If people want to get their panties in a bunch I can’t help that.

 

[du Lac]

Basically what I expected as a response.

 

[Dale]

If I said we are like Bama to Kansas State, which we are, nobody would argue. Flip it and everyone gets their period.

Here are some facts. The gap to 322 is wide, about 47 points last year. In 2021 that gap was 58. 2020 it was 60+. I believe MF will close it more than Kelly. Hold onto Bowen and Keeley and we are getting close. Perhaps KSU at 175 last year was a poor comp to our 100 pts better, but the concept is what matters. I used them as an example as we are currently flipping their RB like Bama is our DE. And the gap isn’t as crazy wide as some are pretending.

A better mathematical comp would be we are like Bama to Cal, Pitt, or Mizzou, who reside about 40-60 points lower than us.

If people want to get their panties in a bunch I can’t help that. Beat Ohio State and the gap will close.

First it’s not linear the talent gap. Let’s put it in terms of NFL talent on the roster.

5 star recruits have roughly a 63% chance of getting drafted, 4 star recruits 22% and 3 star recruits only 5%

So what your math is saying is actually a Cal, Pitt etc team has about only 4 NFL players on average on the team.

ND by simply averaging a 4 star recruit has more than 4x that at an estimated 19 NFL players.

Bama is not averaging a 5 star recruit. Even if I’m being generous averaging about half the roster 5 star and half 4 star (which it’s not), that puts Bama at about 36 NFL players.

Bama is less than 2x as talented as ND while ND is 4.5x as talented as a typical program you offered. I don’t even really agree with this method of fleshing it out and the math is probably off but you get the idea, and it’s jumping off your starting point and showing the gap is quite literally not the same because the gap between these type of recruits are not linear.

 

[du Lac]

First it’s not linear the talent gap. Let’s put it in terms of NFL talent on the roster.

5 star recruits have roughly a 63% chance of getting drafted, 4 star recruits 22% and 3 star recruits only 5%

So what your math is saying is actually a Cal, Pitt etc team has about only 4 NFL players on average on the team.

ND by simply averaging a 4 star recruit has more than 4x that at an estimated 19 NFL players.

Bama is not averaging a 5 star recruit. Even if I’m being generous averaging about half the roster 5 star and half 4 star (which it’s not), that puts Bama at about 36 NFL players.

Bama is 2x as talented as ND while ND is 4.5x as talented as a typical program you offered. I don’t even really agree with this method of fleshing it out but it’s jumping off your starting point and showing the gap is quite literally not the same because the gap between these type of recruits are not linear.

This is an intelligent and persuasive response.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

If I said we are like Bama to Kansas State, which we are, nobody would argue. Flip it and everyone gets their period.

Here are some facts. The gap to 322 is wide, about 47 points last year. In 2021 that gap was 58. 2020 it was 60+. I believe MF will close it more than Kelly. Hold onto Bowen and Keeley and we are getting close. Perhaps KSU at 175 last year was a poor comp to our 100 pts better, but the concept is what matters. I used them as an example as we are currently flipping their RB like Bama is our DE. And the gap isn’t as earthshakingly crazy different between us and KSU and us and Bama as some are pretending.

A better mathematical comp would be we are like Bama to Cal, Pitt, or Mizzou, who reside about 40-60 points lower than us.

If people want to get their panties in a bunch I can’t help that. Beat Ohio State and the gap will close.

Its just a totally stupid statement. Thats all. Relax guy.

 

[du Lac]

Its just a totally stupid statement. Thats all. Relax guy.

Dale had a good response. I would love to know why if we are 4x's more talented than KSU and only 2x's less talented than Bama, we have a long history of barely beating teams like FSU and Toledo, while also frequently losing games during the Kelly era like South Florida, Navy, getting demolished by Miami, etc. But, any time we play Bama, Ohio State, Clemson (when they were healthy) we get absolutely demolished.

 

[stlnd01]

If I said we are like Bama to Kansas State, which we are, nobody would argue. Flip it and everyone gets their period.

Here are some facts. The gap to 322 is wide, about 47 points last year. In 2021 that gap was 58. 2020 it was 60+. I believe MF will close it more than Kelly. Hold onto Bowen and Keeley and we are getting close. Perhaps KSU at 175 last year was a poor comp to our 100 pts better, but the concept is what matters. I used them as an example as we are currently flipping their RB like Bama is our DE. And the gap isn’t as earthshakingly crazy different between us and KSU and us and Bama as some are pretending.

We flipped Edwards with, like, a phone call. If - and it remains a sizable if - Bama flips Keeley, it took them months, multiple visits, Saban visiting the kid's high school, etc. It is not the same thing at all. And that speaks to the relative recruiting prowess of the three programs.

 

[Deirishpisser]

"Flip it and everyone gets their period."
Its called period syncing. So stop blaming us.

 

[du Lac]

We flipped Edwards with, like, a phone call. If - and it remains a sizable if - Bama flips Keeley, it took them months, multiple visits, Saban visiting the kid's high school, etc. It is not the same thing at all. And that speaks to the relative recruiting prowess of the three programs.

The issue is some mistook it as me comparing the two programs (ND vs KSU). NOBODY thinks there's a comparison. But when Bama beats you by 40 on the field, it looks sus to say we have an overwhelming talent advantage over teams that we lose to like Ok State. Now, when looking at how many guys we send to the NFL vs say a KSU, it does speak volumes. It also speaks volumes about the coaches at those schools that are consistently competitive with and beat ND. Perhaps BK isn't as great of a coach as some think. If Bama, Clemson, and Ohio State can consistently wipe the field with the likes of ND, it doesn't look good, particularly when you look at all the major upsets BK endured during the 12 or whatever years he was at ND.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

If I said we are like Bama to Kansas State, which we are, nobody would argue. Flip it and everyone gets their period.

Here are some facts. The gap to 322 is wide, about 47 points last year. In 2021 that gap was 58. 2020 it was 60+. I believe MF will close it more than Kelly. Hold onto Bowen and Keeley and we are getting close. Perhaps KSU at 175 last year was a poor comp to our 100 pts better, but the concept is what matters. I used them as an example as we are currently flipping their RB like Bama is our DE. And the gap isn’t as earthshakingly crazy different between us and KSU and us and Bama as some are pretending.

A better mathematical comp would be we are like Bama to Cal, Pitt, or Mizzou, who reside about 40-60 points lower than us.

If people want to get their panties in a bunch I can’t help that. Beat Ohio State and the gap will close.

I'm assuming the "322" is the team recruiting ranking, so if it isn't, please ignore the following. To be honest, I'm not sure where that number comes form.

The "big dogs" right now seem to be Bama, UGA, and OSU. The last five years of Kelly's full recruiting seasons (2016-2020), they averaged the below points:

Bama: 308.72
UGA: 305.67
OSU: 294.89
Average: 303.09

While ND averaged 255.89, a full 47.2 points below the "big dogs".

Last year, the class remained in tact mostly because of Freeman. We can't give him full credit seeing as Kelly handled most of it. That class ended up at 269.05. The big three were averaged at 314.62. Still pretty far behind at 45.57 points.

This year's class is already at 285.56. The average for the big three right now is 282.27 (which will grow, for sure). If we get the guys we feel like we lead for it'll grow to probably around 300. It'll be about the same if we lose Bowen and Keeley.

So to say we haven't closed the gap on the big three would mean those three, at minimum, would need to average 331.13 (which is us staying at 285.56 and then adding the gap of 45.57 points). How many teams have ever had a class larger than 331.13? One. TAMU last year.

We're closing the gap. Which you noted. However, I think we're closing it more than you are giving Freeman credit for.