'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

[ACamp1900]

That would have been nice this year. I think we're going straight from Ian to Tyler.

rewind and read it again... I'm referring to the other PJ...

 

[Irish YJ]

rewind and read it again... I'm referring to the other PJ...

Sorry, I'm slow this afternoon. Thought you were talking about five star Phil. Who's the other PJ?

 

[ACamp1900]

Sorry, I'm slow this afternoon. Thought you were talking about five star Phil. Who's the other PJ?

 

[Irish YJ]

 

[BobbyMac]

That would have been nice this year. I think we're going straight from Ian to Tyler.

If he EE's... might as well. Young 5*'s need snaps or they face possibly wilting on the vine. BK may have already wasted a good portion of PJ's ceiling Even if PJ's two steps ahead of Tyler in '21, he may as well take a step back and develop the next guy for a run.

Makes me sick to type that.

 

[Irish YJ]

If he EE's... might as well. Young 5*'s need snaps or they face possibly wilting on the vine. BK may have already wasted a good portion of PJ's ceiling Even if PJ's two steps ahead of Tyler in '21, he may as well take a step back and develop the next guy for a run.

Makes me sick to type that.

I had sky high hopes for PJ when he committed. Never thought Book would start one game either when he signed... ooooops. Makes me tear up when I think about it.

 

[arrowryan]

I think he's the first non senior to win this since Reggie Bush

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a> - <a href="https://twitter.com/TBSAthletics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TBSAthletics</a> quarterback Tyler Buchner (<a href="https://twitter.com/tylerbuchner?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tylerbuchner</a>) has just been named the winner of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/kusippr?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#kusippr</a> 2019 Silver Pigskin! <a href="https://t.co/XBBHGupwDp">pic.twitter.com/XBBHGupwDp</a></p>— Prep Pigskin Report (@KUSIPPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/KUSIPPR/status/1202784199473688577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[stlnd01]

I had sky high hopes for PJ when he committed. Never thought Book would start one game either when he signed... ooooops. Makes me tear up when I think about it.

Indeed. I'm not ready to quit on Phil just yet, but I've given up on predicting what our future/young QBs will and will not do.
For all we know it'll be Brendon Clark who takes Notre Dame to the Promised Land.

 

[Irish YJ]

Indeed. I'm not ready to quit on Phil just yet, but I've given up on predicting what our future/young QBs will and will not do.
For all we know it'll be Brendon Clark who takes Notre Dame to the Promised Land.

Yup, it's like a spin on the wheel of fortune.
I haven't totally given up on PJ either, but if Book does come back, I think he might bolt.
Clark in his limited time didn't look bad that's for sure.
I can't help but be stoked about Buchner though.
If my heart gets broken, so be it. Better to hope I guess.

 

[stlnd01]

Yup, it's like a spin on the wheel of fortune.
I haven't totally given up on PJ either, but if Book does come back, I think he might bolt.
Clark in his limited time didn't look bad that's for sure.
I can't help but be stoked about Buchner though.
If my heart gets broken, so be it. Better to hope I guess.

There is always hope. And also the reality that the three best QBs of the Brian Kelly era - Rees, Kizer, Book - were really never seen as QB1 material. Until they were. But, then, we've never had that QB who could win it all So... Buchner!

Will be interesting to see what Phil does, assuming Book comes back. I hope he doesn't transfer, because he's one injury away from being the guy. And I'd certainly hope he could win the job in '21. He's got the raw talent, and three years in the program to refine it.

Until there's reason to believe otherwise I'll tell myself Phil's sticking because he seems like an RKG. But if he thinks he can get a waiver and go play somewhere sooner, I wouldn't really blame him.

 

[Irish YJ]

There is always hope. And also the reality that the three best QBs of the Brian Kelly era - Rees, Kizer, Book - were really never seen as QB1 material. Until they were. But, then, we've never had that QB who could win it all So... Buchner!

Will be interesting to see what Phil does, assuming Book comes back. I hope he doesn't transfer, because he's one injury away from being the guy. And I'd certainly hope he could win the job in '21. He's got the raw talent, and three years in the program to refine it.

Until there's reason to believe otherwise I'll tell myself Phil's sticking because he seems like an RKG. But if he thinks he can get a waiver and go play somewhere sooner, I wouldn't really blame him.

Honestly I wouldn't blame him either. RKG or not, that doesn't change if he has a desire to lead a team. After two years, I really don't blame any kid for surveying the situation and the likelihood of their contribution. He could definitely go somewhere else and make their program better.

But, like you, hoping he stays. So many kids, and only so much opportunity to play.

 

[calvegas04]

Ranked 42 in the new Rivals top 100, 8th overall QB and classified as a Pro QB

 

[SoIll]

Ranked 42 in the new Rivals top 100, 8th overall QB and classified as a Pro QB

fvcking comical

 

[BabyIrish]

fvcking comical

I mean it was a +23 gain for Buchner. Can’t be too upset about that.

 

[SoIll]

I mean it was a +23 gain for Buchner. Can’t be too upset about that.

McCarthy is still ahead of him.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I think you could argue he is legitimately the top overall QB prospect of the class.

 

[Irishnuke]

Ranked 42 in the new Rivals top 100, 8th overall QB and classified as a Pro QB

They’ve actually only updated the overall ranking. New position rankings come out Thursday.

 

[stlnd01]

They’ve actually only updated the overall ranking. New position rankings come out Thursday.

Indeed, he appears the be the 7th ranked QB in the overall ratings. So there's that.

FWIW, Styles and Shipley are both ahead of Buchner overall. Must be the Weis years, if even then, since we've had three Top 50 offensive skill position players in the same class (not that we've landed Shipley yet).

 

[IrishFaninTX]

I mean it was a +23 gain for Buchner. Can’t be too upset about that.

I honestly do not see a better QB in the 2021 class. Buch is a ridiculous talent

 

[BabyIrish]

I honestly do not see a better QB in the 2021 class. Buch is a ridiculous talent

I’m not disagreeing with that, although I haven’t watched highlights of anybody else but he still got a bump into the top 50. Plenty of time to continue moving up.

 

[fightingirish26]

Think it is hard to gauge just exactly how good he is with the competition he faces

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Any summer camp plans for him? Would love for him to show the scouts how much better he is than everyone else.

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[IrishLion]

Think it is hard to gauge just exactly how good he is with the competition he faces

Any summer camp plans for him? Would love for him to show the scouts how much better he is than everyone else.

That's the key if he wants to get ahead of McCarthy and the other guys... he has to go show he can do it against 7-on-7 squads with elite players around, and do it well enough that even 247 has to bump him up, like they did with Hamilton.

They are famously against moving ND targets into 5-star range. They didn't really have a choice with the way Hamilton performed at camps and then through his senior year, but he feels like the lone exception.

Guys like Mayer and Tyree earn 5-star status, then show out at camps where they back up their rankings against elite talent... and then get dropped from 5-star status anyway because reasons (aka, someone high up at 247 doesn't like ND very much).

 

[IrishLax]

McCarthy is still ahead of him.

Yeah, any ranking that has McCarthy over Buchner with how each camped over the past summer + how each played this past fall season is a joke. Just shows how much politics still rule the day at these services.

You can debate whether Buchner is a top 5 prospect. You cannot debate whether he is a top 25 prospect.

 

[BobbyMac]

I honestly do not see a better QB in the 2021 class. Buch is a ridiculous talent

Tyler Buchner is fun to watch. He's a great HS QB, no doubt the first QB anyone would pick for their HS team. No doubt he'd be doing much the same at any school in the country including up the road in the Trinity League. Statistically, he had the same season Kyler Murray had during his Sr. year. (Yes, Murray was playing a big boy, TX schedule.) Only DJ Ukulele at SJ Bosco equals him for the best high school football prospect in the country... regardless of class.

BUT

I've learned something in the past 2 years via our friend Kedon Slovis and his nextdoor neighbor, Spencer Rattler.

It's easy to get blown away by a guy who seems to do anything & everything when the ball is in his hands... and scoring lots of TD's. They're the guys who would be the best RB, WR, CB or safety if he wasn't the QB. Physically, they are seemingly from another planet.

It's just as easy to not get fired up (as much in this case) for a kid who doesn't run much, doesn't scramble like Fran Tarkington, and doesn't hit a 60 yard bomb every other down. Instead, they take two step drops and scan the field and the ball is out. From sideline to sideline, they either hit guys right in the numbers of perfectly lead them when called for and it doesn't matter if it's a 5 yard cross or a 30 yard out, they make all the throws. They are Brady Boring.

That's Rattler and Slovis for you. I will give Rattler credit, I saw him make a lot of excellent "boring" throws that you have to make in college but there was still a lot of Point Guard in his game. Creating on the move, trusting his line and letting a handful of DI WR/TE's do their thing.

Slovis on the other hand is boring like Brady. Stand in the pocket and pick apart 6A AZ defenses with zero talent around him. Kind of ashamed I didn't see THIS coming. As I've mentioned, my kid went to school with Kedon so I saw him play when I wasn't working another game, which often was Pinnacle w/ Rattler & Baker. I thought he was good enough for ND to take a look at but in a Drew Pyne, Ian Book, Tommy Rees sorta way. Get them on the roster, hand them a clipboard and have them ready to manage if things start tearing/breaking on QB1 & QB2.

So before you fall in love with a QB who's a walking Nintendo character where it's run, bomb, run, bomb, watch a full game and see what he's doing when not in highlight mode. Watch what he's doing when the DB's are better than his receivers, watch what he does when he doesn't have a future NFL LT and 4 DI linemen in front of him. Watch what the 35-40% of incompletions look like.

A lot can be learned from nolights and lowlights... Ask Kevin Pyne.



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[NDty9]

Tyler Buchner is fun to watch. He's a great HS QB, no doubt the first QB anyone would pick for their HS team. No doubt he'd be doing much the same at any school in the country including up the road in the Trinity League. Statistically, he had the same season Kyler Murray had during his Sr. year. (Yes, Murray was playing a big boy, TX schedule.) Only DJ Ukulele at SJ Bosco equals him for the best high school football prospect in the country... regardless of class.

BUT

I've learned something in the past 2 years via our friend Kedon Slovis and his nextdoor neighbor, Spencer Rattler.

It's easy to get blown away by a guy who seems to do anything & everything when the ball is in his hands... and scoring lots of TD's. They're the guys who would be the best RB, WR, CB or safety if he wasn't the QB. Physically, they are seemingly from another planet.

It's just as easy to not get fired up (as much in this case) for a kid who doesn't run much, doesn't scramble like Fran Tarkington, and doesn't hit a 60 yard bomb every other down. Instead, they take two step drops and scan the field and the ball is out. From sideline to sideline, they either hit guys right in the numbers of perfectly lead them when called for and it doesn't matter if it's a 5 yard cross or a 30 yard out, they make all the throws. They are Brady Boring.

That's Rattler and Slovis for you. I will give Rattler credit, I saw him make a lot of excellent "boring" throws that you have to make in college but there was still a lot of Point Guard in his game. Creating on the move, trusting his line and letting a handful of DI WR/TE's do their thing.

Slovis on the other hand is boring like Brady. Stand in the pocket and pick apart 6A AZ defenses with zero talent around him. Kind of ashamed I didn't see THIS coming. As I've mentioned, my kid went to school with Kedon so I saw him play when I wasn't working another game, which often was Pinnacle w/ Rattler & Baker. I thought he was good enough for ND to take a look at but in a Drew Pyne, Ian Book, Tommy Rees sorta way. Get them on the roster, hand them a clipboard and have them ready to manage if things start tearing/breaking on QB1 & QB2.

So before you fall in love with a QB who's a walking Nintendo character where it's run, bomb, run, bomb, watch a full game and see what he's doing when not in highlight mode. Watch what he's doing when the DB's are better than his receivers, watch what he does when he doesn't have a future NFL LT and 4 DI linemen in front of him. Watch what the 35-40% of incompletions look like.

A lot can be learned from nolights and lowlights... Ask Kevin Pyne.



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1 - Not sure how old you are, but I can take a guess based on your "Nintendo" reference hahhahaah ;-)

2 - I refuse to listen to your clearly reasonable and logical thoughts. I AM ALLLLLL IN ON TYLER AND NO ONE CAN TALK ME OUT OF IT lolol

 

[tko]

1 - Not sure how old you are, but I can take a guess based on your "Nintendo" reference hahhahaah ;-)

2 - I refuse to listen to your clearly reasonable and logical thoughts. I AM ALLLLLL IN ON TYLER AND NO ONE CAN TALK ME OUT OF IT lolol

So old he knew how nasty John Tewkbury was in RBI and also knew to sub in Jeffrey Leonard when he was the Giants.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

So old he knew how nasty John Tewkbury was in RBI and also knew to sub in Jeffrey Leonard when he was the Giants.

One flap down.

 

[calvegas04]

Tyler Buchner is fun to watch. He's a great HS QB, no doubt the first QB anyone would pick for their HS team. No doubt he'd be doing much the same at any school in the country including up the road in the Trinity League. Statistically, he had the same season Kyler Murray had during his Sr. year. (Yes, Murray was playing a big boy, TX schedule.) Only DJ Ukulele at SJ Bosco equals him for the best high school football prospect in the country... regardless of class.

BUT

I've learned something in the past 2 years via our friend Kedon Slovis and his nextdoor neighbor, Spencer Rattler.

It's easy to get blown away by a guy who seems to do anything & everything when the ball is in his hands... and scoring lots of TD's. They're the guys who would be the best RB, WR, CB or safety if he wasn't the QB. Physically, they are seemingly from another planet.

It's just as easy to not get fired up (as much in this case) for a kid who doesn't run much, doesn't scramble like Fran Tarkington, and doesn't hit a 60 yard bomb every other down. Instead, they take two step drops and scan the field and the ball is out. From sideline to sideline, they either hit guys right in the numbers of perfectly lead them when called for and it doesn't matter if it's a 5 yard cross or a 30 yard out, they make all the throws. They are Brady Boring.

That's Rattler and Slovis for you. I will give Rattler credit, I saw him make a lot of excellent "boring" throws that you have to make in college but there was still a lot of Point Guard in his game. Creating on the move, trusting his line and letting a handful of DI WR/TE's do their thing.

Slovis on the other hand is boring like Brady. Stand in the pocket and pick apart 6A AZ defenses with zero talent around him. Kind of ashamed I didn't see THIS coming. As I've mentioned, my kid went to school with Kedon so I saw him play when I wasn't working another game, which often was Pinnacle w/ Rattler & Baker. I thought he was good enough for ND to take a look at but in a Drew Pyne, Ian Book, Tommy Rees sorta way. Get them on the roster, hand them a clipboard and have them ready to manage if things start tearing/breaking on QB1 & QB2.

So before you fall in love with a QB who's a walking Nintendo character where it's run, bomb, run, bomb, watch a full game and see what he's doing when not in highlight mode. Watch what he's doing when the DB's are better than his receivers, watch what he does when he doesn't have a future NFL LT and 4 DI linemen in front of him. Watch what the 35-40% of incompletions look like.

A lot can be learned from nolights and lowlights... Ask Kevin Pyne.



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So are you saying he is good or bad?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

So old he knew how nasty John Tewkbury was in RBI and also knew to sub in Jeffrey Leonard when he was the Giants.

Saberhagen was the worst for me.