‘21 AL QB Riley Leonard (Duke Transfer - Notre Dame Verbal)

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Richardson should run the scout team for an entire year. See how he does. See if things click for him. If not, simply move on. Meanwhile, see if Jones can take advantage of his fresh start.

BTW - The Colts parted ways with the scout who advocated for Richardson.
 
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GATTACA! said:
Manziel was a way way better college QB than Richardson. Richardson started in 13 total games and his completion percentage in his last season was 53%.
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He was better on paper, but they were effectively very similar QBs. Manziel arguably had much better weapon(s) to work with in Evans, Christine Michael, Swope, etc, not to mention a couple first round linemen protecting him. Richardson in comparison at Florida didn't have the same talent, the highest pick in his supporting cast was a 5 star WR in Shorter that went 5th round and has yet to have any stats in the NFL.

There have been lots of QBs to come out of the Big 12 and PAC 12 that were elite studs in college, but they rarely pan out the same way in the NFL because they're not used to playing against good defenses regularly. Caleb Williams, Kyler Murray to some extent, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Marcus Mariota, Robert Griffin to an extent, Brandon Weeden, Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Jake Locker, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and more. All first rounders from the PAC-12 and Big 12 that failed to live up to potential. The only good 1st round players to come out of those conferences? Mahomes, Goff, and despite a short career Andrew Luck. You could put Justin Herbert in there too, he's been good in a short time despite being on a poor team. As much as I like him, Baker hasn't lived up to the hype of being a #1 pick, but I wouldn't say he was a bust and he statistically had his best season ever last year with Tampa.
 
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ulukinatme said:
He was better on paper, but they were effectively very similar QBs. Manziel arguably had much better weapon(s) to work with in Evans, Christine Michael, Swope, etc, not to mention a couple first round linemen protecting him. Richardson in comparison at Florida didn't have the same talent, the highest pick in his supporting cast was a 5 star WR in Shorter that went 5th round and has yet to have any stats in the NFL.

There have been lots of QBs to come out of the Big 12 and PAC 12 that were elite studs in college, but they rarely pan out the same way in the NFL because they're not used to playing against good defenses regularly. Caleb Williams, Kyler Murray to some extent, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Marcus Mariota, Robert Griffin to an extent, Brandon Weeden, Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Jake Locker, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and more. All first rounders from the PAC-12 and Big 12 that failed to live up to potential. The only good 1st round players to come out of those conferences? Mahomes, Goff, and despite a short career Andrew Luck. You could put Justin Herbert in there too, he's been good in a short time despite being on a poor team. As much as I like him, Baker hasn't lived up to the hype of being a #1 pick, but I wouldn't say he was a bust and he statistically had his best season ever last year with Tampa.
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Richardson had future first round pick Ricky Pearsall back in 2022
 
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zelezo vlk said:
Richardson had future first round pick Ricky Pearsall back in 2022
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True, where I looked online they had him under Arizona State where he started his career, and the jury is still out on Pearsall in the NFL. Manziel still had more talent around him though, Evans has been a 1000 yard receiver every year of the NFL without fail for over a decade, 24th all time in yards, which is impressive. Manziel had 1st round linemen around him, a decent back, some better role players. Pearsall was Richardson's leading receiver at 600 yards and his rookie year hasn't been Evans-esque, even if he could end up great one day.

The point is neither Richardson nor Manziel were guys that were football smart that were going to dice up NFL coverages. They were college QBs that could make things happen with their feet, pure athletes that could either scramble or buy time for receivers. They relied on that mobility instead of learning how to break down a defense and hone the mental side of things.
 
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ulukinatme said:
He was better on paper, but they were effectively very similar QBs. Manziel arguably had much better weapon(s) to work with in Evans, Christine Michael, Swope, etc, not to mention a couple first round linemen protecting him. Richardson in comparison at Florida didn't have the same talent, the highest pick in his supporting cast was a 5 star WR in Shorter that went 5th round and has yet to have any stats in the NFL.

There have been lots of QBs to come out of the Big 12 and PAC 12 that were elite studs in college, but they rarely pan out the same way in the NFL because they're not used to playing against good defenses regularly. Caleb Williams, Kyler Murray to some extent, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Marcus Mariota, Robert Griffin to an extent, Brandon Weeden, Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Jake Locker, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and more. All first rounders from the PAC-12 and Big 12 that failed to live up to potential. The only good 1st round players to come out of those conferences? Mahomes, Goff, and despite a short career Andrew Luck. You could put Justin Herbert in there too, he's been good in a short time despite being on a poor team. As much as I like him, Baker hasn't lived up to the hype of being a #1 pick, but I wouldn't say he was a bust and he statistically had his best season ever last year with Tampa.
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Quarterbacks are hit or miss in general. Im barely comfortable even calling most of them busts at this point.
 
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ulukinatme said:
He was better on paper, but they were effectively very similar QBs. Manziel arguably had much better weapon(s) to work with in Evans, Christine Michael, Swope, etc, not to mention a couple first round linemen protecting him. Richardson in comparison at Florida didn't have the same talent, the highest pick in his supporting cast was a 5 star WR in Shorter that went 5th round and has yet to have any stats in the NFL.

There have been lots of QBs to come out of the Big 12 and PAC 12 that were elite studs in college, but they rarely pan out the same way in the NFL because they're not used to playing against good defenses regularly. Caleb Williams, Kyler Murray to some extent, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Marcus Mariota, Robert Griffin to an extent, Brandon Weeden, Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Jake Locker, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and more. All first rounders from the PAC-12 and Big 12 that failed to live up to potential. The only good 1st round players to come out of those conferences? Mahomes, Goff, and despite a short career Andrew Luck. You could put Justin Herbert in there too, he's been good in a short time despite being on a poor team. As much as I like him, Baker hasn't lived up to the hype of being a #1 pick, but I wouldn't say he was a bust and he statistically had his best season ever last year with Tampa.
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I really think it has little to do with the conferences they play in. You could make just as long of a list of SEC and Big 10 players that didn’t pan out.

Btw Darnold made the Pro Bowl last year
 
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We should move the AR talks to the Colts thread.

I'll be curious to see how much work/reps RL gets. I have to imagine that they will build a package for him that involves RPO's.
 
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Irish du Nord said:
I really think it has little to do with the conferences they play in. You could make just as long of a list of SEC and Big 10 players that didn’t pan out.

Btw Darnold made the Pro Bowl last year
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The SEC first rounders have done better. I haven't analyzed the B1G as much, but I know it's been a bunch of OSU QBs with Stroud being the best among that team's crop, Fields being Fields, and Haskins flamed out before his untimely passing.

Only took Darnold 7 years to have a good year, and now he's going to his 5th team with a 1st time starter in McCarthy pushing him out of Minnesota. I wouldn't call him a success story just yet.
 
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ulukinatme said:
The SEC first rounders have done better. I haven't analyzed the B1G as much, but I know it's been a bunch of OSU QBs with Stroud being the best among that team's crop, Fields being Fields, and Haskins flamed out before his untimely passing.

Only took Darnold 7 years to have a good year, and now he's going to his 5th team with a 1st time starter in McCarthy pushing him out of Minnesota. I wouldn't call him a success story just yet.
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What analysis have you done? There are a bunch of SEC QBs from the last 20 years that have been worse than players you listed. There are a bunch of PAC 12 & BIG 12 guys from that period who are as good or better than the best SEC and Big 10 guys. And if this theory was true, it would apply to players of all rounds, not just first rounders. I just think your theory doesn’t comport with the outcomes, but if you have hard evidence to support it I’d like to hear it.
 
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Irish du Nord said:
What analysis have you done? There are a bunch of SEC QBs from the last 20 years that have been worse than players you listed. There are a bunch of PAC 12 & BIG 12 guys from that period who are as good or better than the best SEC and Big 10 guys. And if this theory was true, it would apply to players of all rounds, not just first rounders. I just think your theory doesn’t comport with the outcomes, but if you have hard evidence to support it I’d like to hear it.
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SEC QBs that lived up to the hype? Joe Burrow to start. Cam Newton played 11 seasons on a pretty bad team, but had a number of really good years and won awards. Matthew Stafford. Tua is trending toward the Andrew Luck career where he's had some good seasons, but injuries are going to derail it. As far as SEC first round busts in that same time period there's Mac Jones, Manziel, Tebow, and Jamarcus Russell. You can throw Jay Cutler in there since he was a 1st rounder, had a decent 12 year career but wasn't 1st round worthy. That's it, way less busts with just as many successful QBs in comparison. I'm not going to debate which conference turned out the very best QBs, just pointing out the PAC-12 and Big 12 put out a bunch more busts. None of these guys have achieved Mahomes' success, but they haven't played on teams as loaded as Kansas City either. There are Joe Montanas that are in the right place at the right time, and there are Dan Marinos.
 
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I mean, the number of highly-drafted NFL quarterbacks who “live up to their potential” is so small that I don’t think it has much of anything to do with where you played in college.
More about the right combo of talent, smarts, and maybe most importantly circumstance.
 
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NDPhilly said:
His game sealing run against UGA might be my favorite ND play in my lifetime. Not kidding. Just put his body on the line to seal the programs biggest win in 30 years.
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I recall the beat guys at Irish Illustrated saying he popped up and got in Malaki Starks’ face after that dive, but I haven’t seen any clips of it. The TV copy doesn’t show the Riley directly in the aftermath. Hoping someone else has?
 
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