2020 ND Football Schedule Options

[Irish#1]

Source tells Dan Patrick that the B1G is looking to play now. October 10 is target date. This is the latest they can start and still be able to participate in playoffs. Some schools still don't want to play. They need an 9-5 vote to play.

 

[dublinirish]

Source tells Dan Patrick that the B1G is looking to play now. October 10 is target date. This is the latest they can start and still be able to participate in playoffs. Some schools still don't want to play. They need an 9-5 vote to play.

reminder its the school Presidents who make the decision, not head coaches, AD's or Twitter warriors

 

[Irish YJ]

Source tells Dan Patrick that the B1G is looking to play now. October 10 is target date. This is the latest they can start and still be able to participate in playoffs. Some schools still don't want to play. They need an 9-5 vote to play.

I don't see them reversing course, but I wouldn't be shocked to see a team or two do their own thing. Two of the teams that voted to play (Nebraska and Iowa) should have tried to jump into the Big 12. OSU should have jumped to the ACC to even things out with ND joining. I think it's too late for those moves now, but could see those 3 look for others to join a temp group, or try to squeeze into some one off games with the leagues that have OK'd a +1.

 

[IrishLax]

Source tells Dan Patrick that the B1G is looking to play now. October 10 is target date. This is the latest they can start and still be able to participate in playoffs. Some schools still don't want to play. They need an 9-5 vote to play.

This is worth reading too -- <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big Ten sources didn’t just deny President Trump’s claim that the league returning "immediately" was at the “1-yard-line,” they laughed at it. A column on the reality of the Big Ten's restart, which is now officially and indelibly politicized. <a href="https://t.co/nfeaNwW7W8">https://t.co/nfeaNwW7W8</a></p>— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1300878422500093956?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Going to be very interesting to follow, especially now that politics has been explicitly inserted into the equation. Tell you what... if the ACC/SEC/Big 12 get through September without collapsing there is going to be almost insurmountable pressure on the Big Ten to play and to play as soon as possible. If I'm in their shoes, I'm targeting November -- announcing it soon -- and also announcing its tentative based on evolving trends/information/etc. Then I pray one of the other conferences has to shut down so I can cancel again and say "told you so."

But damn, the Big Ten REALLY fucked up and a LOT of people are going to lose their jobs no matter which way this ultimately goes.

 

[Irish YJ]

reminder its the school Presidents who make the decision, not head coaches, AD's or Twitter warriors

Well we know 3 of them (OSU, Nebraska, Iowa) voted to play. We also heard from "sources" that teams who wanted to play outside of a B10 format, would likely be allowed to. We also know the vote took a lot of folks by surprise, and happened very shortly after the schedule was released. I doubt they reverse course as they'd need to pick up 6 votes, but it certainly is not out of the realm of possibility. While the presidents do make the decision, I'm sure many of those presidents have now felt the pressure for a few weeks now, be it from parents, boosters, public, athletic departments (who are getting furloughed), etc.. There's also the fact that the other conferences who chose to continue, look to be managing things (along with the NFL). Interesting, if nothing else.

 

[IrishLax]

Well we know 3 of them (OSU, Nebraska, Iowa) voted to play. We also heard from "sources" that teams who wanted to play outside of a B10 format, would likely be allowed to. We also know the vote took a lot of folks by surprise, and happened very shortly after the schedule was released. I doubt they reverse course as they'd need to pick up 6 votes, but it certainly is not out of the realm of possibility. While the presidents do make the decision, I'm sure many of those presidents have now felt the pressure for a few weeks now, be it from parents, boosters, public, athletic departments (who are getting furloughed), etc.. There's also the fact that the other conferences who chose to continue, look to be managing things (along with the NFL). Interesting, if nothing else.

So for an October 10th date I can say for certain that they will NOT pick up Northwestern, Rutgers, Maryland based on public comments by those university officials. I would guess strongly that they will not pick up Purdue, Indiana, or Illinois.

I would guess that they for sure get Michigan and Penn State. I'd also guess Wisconsin and MSU would "lean yes." Minnesota a wildcard, but would have them in "lean no".

Just don't really see how they get to 9 votes. They'd have to get all of those school and then also get Purdue, Indiana, or Illinois when none of those places has a political or financial interest in playing.

I think with a November target, you have much better odds of getting people to agree to a "wait and see".

 

[zelezo vlk]

So for an October 10th date I can say for certain that they will NOT pick up Northwestern, Rutgers, Maryland based on public comments by those university officials. I would guess strongly that they will not pick up Purdue, Indiana, or Illinois.

I would guess that they for sure get Michigan and Penn State. I'd also guess Wisconsin and MSU would "lean yes." Minnesota a wildcard, but would have them in "lean no".

Just don't really see how they get to 9 votes. They'd have to get all of those school and then also get Purdue, Indiana, or Illinois when none of those places has a political or financial interest in playing.

I think with a November target, you have much better odds of getting people to agree to a "wait and see".

But then based upon an above comment, there's no chance of a Big team getting in the playoff. Obviously money goes beyond just the playoffs, but would Ohio State really stand for that?

 

[Old Man Mike]

8 teams playing full round robin starting mid-October, then a playoff between the top two for an 8 game schedule ending early December. OSU sweeps. Do they get in the NC playoffs? Certainly the other talented teams get to go to the bowls. ... enough incentive with the TV cash to play and maybe even persuade a Purdue or Indiana to go with?

 

[benneboy]

8 teams playing full round robin starting mid-October, then a playoff between the top two for an 8 game schedule ending early December. OSU sweeps. Do they get in the NC playoffs? Certainly the other talented teams get to go to the bowls. ... enough incentive with the TV cash to play and maybe even persuade a Purdue or Indiana to go with?

No shot or at least would be extremely hypocritical with all the fire we usually catch for playing 12 games vs the 12.5 the power 5 conferences play.

 

[IrishLax]

But then based upon an above comment, there's no chance of a Big team getting in the playoff. Obviously money goes beyond just the playoffs, but would Ohio State really stand for that?

I just don't see 13 other teams giving that much of a shit that Ohio State... who everyone in the conference kind of hates... is going to miss the playoff. I think there primary focus will be on placating donors who have turned off the spigot; secondarily it will be on politically saving face; tertiary it will be about salvaging some TV and attendance $$. Given those criteria, I see November not October being the likely choice.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

8 teams playing full round robin starting mid-October, then a playoff between the top two for an 8 game schedule ending early December. OSU sweeps. Do they get in the NC playoffs? Certainly the other talented teams get to go to the bowls. ... enough incentive with the TV cash to play and maybe even persuade a Purdue or Indiana to go with?

If the PAC stays out and the B1G comes back in then it's 4 FBS conferences and no independent to crash the party (since ND is an ACC team this year). I think an undefeated B1G team would be in.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

If the PAC stays out and the B1G comes back in then it's 4 FBS conferences and no independent to crash the party (since ND is an ACC team this year). I think an undefeated B1G team would be in.

It would be total Busch league, but I think you're right. Especially depending on who they play. If OSU got in without going through Wisconsin, Iowa, scUM and PSU (or a 3/4 majority at the very least) then that's weak as hell.

Would be a headache to see a 8-0 OSU vs. say a 12-1 ACC winner and/or 12-0 Cinci, for example.

 

[benneboy]

It would be total Busch league, but I think you're right. Especially depending on who they play. If OSU got in without going through Wisconsin, Iowa, scUM and PSU (or a 3/4 majority at the very least) then that's weak as hell.

Would be a headache to see a 8-0 OSU vs. say a 12-1 ACC winner and/or 12-0 Cinci, for example.

In the 8 team round robin scenario it would be 7-0. Maybe they find more games than that but you have to get to double digits to compare to a 12 game schedule at a minimum.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

In the 8 team round robin scenario it would be 7-0. Maybe they find more games than that but you have to get to double digits to compare to a 12 game schedule at a minimum.

I was assuming a +1 but who knows if that's even feasible. And I Guess to correct myself, it would likely be 11-1 or 12-0 ACC since it's 10+1 and Conf. Championship and Cinci would be 10-0.

Still, I ultimately agree with you. Seems like BS to come in late, play less games, and get counted like your schedules are comparable.

They fuc*ed themselves, personally I hope they just stay out of the '20 season. Reap what you sow.

 

[Irish#1]

reminder its the school Presidents who make the decision, not head coaches, AD's or Twitter warriors

I don't see them reversing course, but I wouldn't be shocked to see a team or two do their own thing. Two of the teams that voted to play (Nebraska and Iowa) should have tried to jump into the Big 12. OSU should have jumped to the ACC to even things out with ND joining. I think it's too late for those moves now, but could see those 3 look for others to join a temp group, or try to squeeze into some one off games with the leagues that have OK'd a +1.

This is worth reading too -- <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big Ten sources didn’t just deny President Trump’s claim that the league returning "immediately" was at the “1-yard-line,” they laughed at it. A column on the reality of the Big Ten's restart, which is now officially and indelibly politicized. <a href="https://t.co/nfeaNwW7W8">https://t.co/nfeaNwW7W8</a></p>— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1300878422500093956?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Going to be very interesting to follow, especially now that politics has been explicitly inserted into the equation. Tell you what... if the ACC/SEC/Big 12 get through September without collapsing there is going to be almost insurmountable pressure on the Big Ten to play and to play as soon as possible. If I'm in their shoes, I'm targeting November -- announcing it soon -- and also announcing its tentative based on evolving trends/information/etc. Then I pray one of the other conferences has to shut down so I can cancel again and say "told you so."

But damn, the Big Ten REALLY fucked up and a LOT of people are going to lose their jobs no matter which way this ultimately goes.

Well we know 3 of them (OSU, Nebraska, Iowa) voted to play. We also heard from "sources" that teams who wanted to play outside of a B10 format, would likely be allowed to. We also know the vote took a lot of folks by surprise, and happened very shortly after the schedule was released. I doubt they reverse course as they'd need to pick up 6 votes, but it certainly is not out of the realm of possibility. While the presidents do make the decision, I'm sure many of those presidents have now felt the pressure for a few weeks now, be it from parents, boosters, public, athletic departments (who are getting furloughed), etc.. There's also the fact that the other conferences who chose to continue, look to be managing things (along with the NFL). Interesting, if nothing else.

So for an October 10th date I can say for certain that they will NOT pick up Northwestern, Rutgers, Maryland based on public comments by those university officials. I would guess strongly that they will not pick up Purdue, Indiana, or Illinois.

I would guess that they for sure get Michigan and Penn State. I'd also guess Wisconsin and MSU would "lean yes." Minnesota a wildcard, but would have them in "lean no".

Just don't really see how they get to 9 votes. They'd have to get all of those school and then also get Purdue, Indiana, or Illinois when none of those places has a political or financial interest in playing.

I think with a November target, you have much better odds of getting people to agree to a "wait and see".

The way I heard it described, it looks like some of the presidents are having a change of heart or are at least considering it. No doubt DJT is premature in his statement. PSU, OSU, Wiscy and scUM are reported leaning towards playing, along with Nebraska and Iowa.

They could start in November, but that means they are playing strictly for B1G bragging rights.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

My guess...Big 10 won't change direction on this because it will make them look incredibly weak on their first decision. I could give a darn. They made their bed.

 

[GATTACA!]

Fuck the Big10.

Them not playing means we get to gain ground on the all time winning %.

 

[greyhammer90]

Really weird to think about how relevant the Pac12 was just 10 years ago. Good USC teams, Oregon blowing the doors off the traditional powers, Stanford rising and winning Rose Bowls... now they aren't playing football and people are so busy discussing the Big Ten that forget to talk about the Pac 12 at all.

 

[Henges24]

2020 ND Football Schedule Options

“The Big Ten at the 1-yard line”

 

[arrowryan]

Really weird to think about how relevant the Pac12 was just 10 years ago. Good USC teams, Oregon blowing the doors off the traditional powers, Stanford rising and winning Rose Bowls... now they aren't playing football and people are so busy discussing the Big Ten that forget to talk about the Pac 12 at all.

My thoughts are similar, but I think the Big 10 is very irrelevant now too. Outside Ohio State, the Big 10 stinks. The Pac 12 and Big 10 (besides OSU) never put teams in the CFP. It is more like Power 3.5, not Power 5 conferences.

 

[Irish#1]

My thoughts are similar, but I think the Big 10 is very irrelevant now too. Outside Ohio State, the Big 10 stinks. The Pac 12 and Big 10 (besides OSU) never put teams in the CFP. It is more like Power 3.5, not Power 5 conferences.

Well except for Clemson, you could say the same thing about the ACC. Like them or not, the B1G is still very much relevant in all sports. While the presidents are the ones who vote, I suspect they might have voted differently if Delaney was still the commissioner. They should have waited before deciding.

Really amazing about the PAC 12 when you think about it. Apparently most don't care if they play or not. Barely hearing a whisper from the coaches, players, AD's, presidents, media, etc.

 

[Irish YJ]

Well except for Clemson, you could say the same thing about the ACC. Like them or not, the B1G is still very much relevant in all sports. While the presidents are the ones who vote, I suspect they might have voted differently if Delaney was still the commissioner. They should have waited before deciding.

Really amazing about the PAC 12 when you think about it. Apparently most don't care if they play or not. Barely hearing a whisper from the coaches, players, AD's, presidents, media, etc.

Yup. Just by going off the teams ranked this year, it's SEC, Big10, Big12, ACC (only because Clemson is so high), and the PAC. The ACC only has 2 ranked teams, while the PAC has 3. The SEC is #1 by a lot, and the Big10 is comfortably #2.

I hate OSU, but they stood a real chance this year for a NC.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Well except for Clemson, you could say the same thing about the ACC. Like them or not, the B1G is still very much relevant in all sports. While the presidents are the ones who vote, I suspect they might have voted differently if Delaney was still the commissioner. They should have waited before deciding.

Really amazing about the PAC 12 when you think about it. Apparently most don't care if they play or not. Barely hearing a whisper from the coaches, players, AD's, presidents, media, etc.

Pac 12 is like the JV team of Power 5 football. People who cry for expanded playoff because this conference gets left out is laughable. Hire better coaches. Recruit better. Play better. Simple formula.

 

[dublinirish]

Well except for Clemson, you could say the same thing about the ACC. Like them or not, the B1G is still very much relevant in all sports. While the presidents are the ones who vote, I suspect they might have voted differently if Delaney was still the commissioner. They should have waited before deciding.

Really amazing about the PAC 12 when you think about it. Apparently most don't care if they play or not. Barely hearing a whisper from the coaches, players, AD's, presidents, media, etc.

well state restrictions prevent them. there isn't much they can do.

 

[Irish YJ]

well state restrictions prevent them. there isn't much they can do.

Huh? The NFL is still playing in those states. Some colleges are allowing limited students on campus in CA, and not all states are as strict as Cali.

 

[GowerND11]

My thoughts are similar, but I think the Big 10 is very irrelevant now too. Outside Ohio State, the Big 10 stinks. The Pac 12 and Big 10 (besides OSU) never put teams in the CFP. It is more like Power 3.5, not Power 5 conferences.

I disagree about the Big 10. You have PSU and Meatchicken in the same division as OSU. That imbalance is cause for some of their problems. Put one of them in the west, and you'd see the CCG for the Big 10 be much more exciting and meaningful.

Also, let's not kid ourselves, the Big 10 doesn't do itself any favors with their scheduling. You see the best in the east constantly playing the best in the west (Iowa and Wisconsin... maybe Minnesota now too), but the SEC always finds ways to avoid the same issue.

Another problem with the scheduling, is they don't provide any great bye weeks/cupcakes late in the season like the ACC and SEC do either. So you have a Penn State play something like @Minnesota, Wisconsin, MSU, Michigan, @OSU in a 5 game stretch without a break. That's hard.

 

[dublinirish]

I disagree about the Big 10. You have PSU and Meatchicken in the same division as OSU. That imbalance is cause for some of their problems. Put one of them in the west, and you'd see the CCG for the Big 10 be much more exciting and meaningful.

Also, let's not kid ourselves, the Big 10 doesn't do itself any favors with their scheduling. You see the best in the east constantly playing the best in the west (Iowa and Wisconsin... maybe Minnesota now too), but the SEC always finds ways to avoid the same issue.

Another problem with the scheduling, is they don't provide any great bye weeks/cupcakes late in the season like the ACC and SEC do either. So you have a Penn State play something like @Minnesota, Wisconsin, MSU, Michigan, @OSU in a 5 game stretch without a break. That's hard.

Maryland and Rutgers say hi

 

[GowerND11]

Maryland and Rutgers say hi

Yeah, but so do Vanderbilt, Missouri, Kentucky (usually), etc. I mean the FCS teams like the Citadel, Florida A&M, etc. right before the Auburn/Alabama game.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ohio State reports 882 student coronavirus cases <a href="https://t.co/qAkdzzSiJb">https://t.co/qAkdzzSiJb</a></p>— Columbus Dispatch (@DispatchAlerts) <a href="https://twitter.com/DispatchAlerts/status/1301478825788936193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[dublinirish]

Yeah, but so do Vanderbilt, Missouri, Kentucky (usually), etc. I mean the FCS teams like the Citadel, Florida A&M, etc. right before the Auburn/Alabama game.

Rutgers have been FCS level