2020 ND Football Schedule Options

[JurDocDuLac]

Couple of thoughts on this.

1) Parties off campus is a symptom, not the problem. Kids living off campus is the issue. Parties just spread it faster, but the spreading can/is likely to continue with interaction of those off-campus in day to day life.

2) ND was foolish to think this wouldn't happen. For the last 6 months you had kids locked up inside and most had the independence snatched from them. What in the living hell did they think would happen the first moment they all get back together again?

3) Students may or may not feel safe. But man, if you are in the at risk pool (or have loved ones that are) and are working at ND as a professor, support staff, or otherwise, you have to think twice about going to work. Its about the students and the greater community.

4) I am so glad I am not in college during this time period. All of this crap, at ND or any other school, is going to lead to an insane amount of public shaming on campus. "Guess who I caught not wearing a mask"; "These people don't want football"; "Can you believe she had 7 dudes during her bukkake session instead of the more responsible 3?" are all things students will nag each other over during the coming weeks.

Admin was probably thinking:
- ND is not really a party school, no frats or sororities, no commuters and a low % off campus.
- Supposedly a more thoughtful community.
- At some point 18-22, you have to allow kids to grow up, but they won´t if you limit and protect them.
Not unreasonable.
Fingers crossed the students live up to the challenge.

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Nda, your comments have been coherent, thoughtful and substantial. The girl with bukake comment is a weird outlier, though.

 

[tussin]

Did Swine09 even exist? I barely even remember that on campus.

Yeah, at my school (Bucknell) no one took it seriously and an enterprising student made Swine 09 tees and made thousands.

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah so I agree with the majority of this, especially that tests are neither unlimited nor free. I guess what it comes down to is whether you believe it was reasonable to stake your plan on the ND student body not throwing a party. If you're of my mindset that it was inevitable that college kids would throw parties, then based on your thoughts above, no amount of testing/tracing could have stopped an outbreak and this whole experiment was doomed from the start. It feels like the only defense of bringing students back to campus then is if folks honestly believed that it was at least likely that no parties would be held, which seems dubious to me.

This is a very good point.

 

[GATTACA!]

Couple of thoughts on this.

1) Parties off campus is a symptom, not the problem. Kids living off campus is the issue. Parties just spread it faster, but the spreading can/is likely to continue with interaction of those off-campus in day to day life.

2) ND was foolish to think this wouldn't happen. For the last 6 months you had kids locked up inside and most had the independence snatched from them. What in the living hell did they think would happen the first moment they all get back together again?

3) Students may or may not feel safe. But man, if you are in the at risk pool (or have loved ones that are) and are working at ND as a professor, support staff, or otherwise, you have to think twice about going to work. Its about the students and the greater community.

4) I am so glad I am not in college during this time period. All of this crap, at ND or any other school, is going to lead to an insane amount of public shaming on campus. "Guess who I caught not wearing a mask"; "These people don't want football"; "Can you believe she had 7 dudes during her bukkake session instead of the more responsible 3?" are all things students will nag each other over during the coming weeks.

Is a mere 3 guys even considered a bukkake?

 

[Irish#1]

and we're really not a 'party school' wait till the SEC starts rolling.

ND students get their partying out of the way at the beginning of school, then buckle down on the academics.

TBH, no plan was going to work. At that age hormones almost always win out over common sense. There will be plenty that adhere to the rules and plenty that don't creating the situation we now have.

Did we ever find out who the recent players are that are quarantined?

 

[notredomer23]

Wow, this sounds really dangerous for college age men and women.

I know you’re being sarcastic, but it’s not, and I wish the media would stop pretending that it is. The dangerous part is these students spreading it to locals in South Bend and the community. I doubt the two hospitals in the area would be able to adequately take on a surge in cases outside of ND.

 

[dad4aa]

I know you’re being sarcastic, but it’s not, and I wish the media would stop pretending that it is. The dangerous part is these students spreading it to locals in South Bend and the community. I doubt the two hospitals in the area would be able to adequately take on a surge in cases outside of ND.

Maybe I’m wrong but if ND tested every student like they said and had a 99%+ negative rate at the start with quarantining the few positives...then it is the locals who spread it to the students so this is not an issue.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I know you’re being sarcastic, but it’s not, and I wish the media would stop pretending that it is. The dangerous part is these students spreading it to locals in South Bend and the community. I doubt the two hospitals in the area would be able to adequately take on a surge in cases outside of ND.

I have taken a truly personal perspective on this as in reality, all I or my wife can do is protect myself and my kids.I work in an office with 40 people and I am the ONLY one who wears a mask routinely (masks not mandated in the office).

My sister is a nurse in Mississippi/Memphis and she has been on the COVID floor since they began coming in. According to her her personal experience at that hospital is that yes older people were getting it and died. Yes younger people got it later and had lesser symptoms or did not present. She hasnt treated any kids as they go elsewhere. What she also said is that the patients who came in and did not die, have been back repeatedly with new issues or worsened existing conditions, specifically pulmonary and cardiac issues.

Healthy young people coming back in after being treated and "getting over" symptoms with repository failures, decreased capacities, heart function and blood pressure spikes. There are others but you get what I am saying. My doctor here confirmed similar experience for his patients (He also volunteered to help MUSC treat and diagnose their typical patients becasue they were overwhelmed with cases in June and July).

I cant expect everyone to do whats in their best interest, and yes its an inconvenience but I cant in good conscience walk into a public place and not do everything I can to limit my exposure from them or protect them from me if I was (or am) an asymptomatic carrier.

I also will do everything I can to prevent bringing home something and giving it to my kid who then develops something that will last the rest of their lives.

 

[IrishLax]

Maybe I’m wrong but if ND tested every student like they said and had a 99%+ negative rate at the start with quarantining the few positives...then it is the locals who spread it to the students so this is not an issue.

This is exactly what happened. Everyone got cleared before returning to campus, then people living off campus got infected and then spread it to people at parties. And then those infected people may or may not have spread it to others, which we will know at the end of this two week quarantine.

Pat Forde had a tweet yesterday that was spot on where he described the situation as 80% of students acting responsibly, and 20% not. And the 80% being VERY upset at the 20%.

 

[dublinirish]

We all knew this was going to happen, and this is why the Big 3 (Big 12, ACC, SEC) pushed back the start of their seasons. Let the kids come back, see what happens, and give yourself a month plus to react/ change.

Fingers crossed.

the cynic in me thinks this tactic is to pull tuition money off kids and then when the money is in the bank, send them home. it's not about safety or anything like that.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

the cynic in me thinks this tactic is to pull tuition money off kids and then when the money is in the bank, send them home. it's not about safety or anything like that.

Well, from the school's perspective there was basically no constituency for keeping campuses closed to start the year. I don't think the students, their parents, or the educators really wanted it. And I say this as a parent whose grade schoolers are doing voluntary remote learning right now.

 

[dublinirish]

Well, from the school's perspective there was basically no constituency for keeping campuses closed to start the year. I don't think the students, their parents, or the educators really wanted it. And I say this as a parent whose grade schoolers are doing voluntary remote learning right now.

here in michigan most schools were going to have kids in-school from the start until they changed the rule in Lansing that would mean even if schools went fully virtual from the start they'd still get full funding from the state. Of course, when this was announced every school moved to virtual.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Is a mere 3 guys even considered a bukkake?

Some guys spend more time on Pornhub then talking with real women.



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[dublinirish]

https://www.axios.com/college-poll-...rus-7b6c2687-e2df-4f72-9305-7b9f1a611f04.html

As the coronavirus pandemic pushes more and more universities to switch to remote learning — at least to start — 22% of college students across all four years are planning not to enroll this fall, according to a new College Reaction/Axios poll.

Why it matters: Scores of colleges were already approaching a financial cliff before the pandemic began. Steep drops in enrollment could push some over the edge.

Students are making alternative plans for the fall.

Of those not returning to school, most — 73% — are working full time. Around 4% are taking classes at a different university, and 2% are doing volunteer work.
Freshmen who are unwilling to sacrifice the experience of a normal first year of college appear to account for a big chunk of those who are planning not to enroll this fall. Harvard, which is going fully remote, says 20% of the students in its incoming freshman class are deferring.
Students also recognize the risk. 85% believe they are likely (or very likely) to be exposed to the coronavirus if they're on campus this fall.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

https://www.axios.com/college-poll-...rus-7b6c2687-e2df-4f72-9305-7b9f1a611f04.html

Thanks Dublin.

It will be interesting to see how this shakes out in five years.

I imagine schools like ND will continue to be attractive in-person destinations.
But most schools will probably see an attractive demand for the flexible virtual learning that they are setting up now. That may reduce costs, but reduce tuition, too.
And current financials may force that trend for both sides (student and school).

So where does that leave financing for sports?

Going to be some notable changes in the near future.

 

[dublinirish]

Thanks Dublin.

It will be interesting to see how this shakes out in five years.

I imagine schools like ND will continue to be attractive in-person destinations.
But most schools will probably see an attractive demand for the flexible virtual learning that they are setting up now. That may reduce costs, but reduce tuition, too.
And current financials may force that trend for both sides (student and school).

So where does that leave financing for sports?

Going to be some notable changes in the near future.

be interested to see if there are any parents on here with kids who are college freshmen, surely it makes sense to defer or send your kid to a local community college for a year or two?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Thanks Dublin.

It will be interesting to see how this shakes out in five years.

I imagine schools like ND will continue to be attractive in-person destinations.
But most schools will probably see an attractive demand for the flexible virtual learning that they are setting up now. That may reduce costs, but reduce tuition, too.
And current financials may force that trend for both sides (student and school).

So where does that leave financing for sports?

Going to be some notable changes in the near future.

Demographics are going to force changes regardless.

Nathan Grawe, an economist at Carleton College in Minnesota, predicts that the college-going population will drop by 15 percent between 2025 and 2029 and continue to decline by another percentage point or two thereafter.

“When the financial crisis hit in 2008, young people viewed that economic uncertainty as a cause for reducing fertility,” said Grawe. “The number of kids born from 2008 to 2011 fell precipitously. Fast forward 18 years to 2026 and we see that there are fewer kids reaching college-going age.”

https://hechingerreport.org/college-students-predicted-to-fall-by-more-than-15-after-the-year-2025/

It won't be all bad to see some downward pressures on cost. I just don't know to what extent infrastructure costs are fixed vs. variable. If schools become increasingly virtual the end result may just be fewer teachers and accelerating the deemphasis on the humanities.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

It won't be all bad to see some downward pressures on cost. I just don't know to what extent infrastructure costs are fixed vs. variable. If schools become increasingly virtual the end result may just be fewer teachers and accelerating the deemphasis on the humanities.

Always nice to know we paid the kids´ tuition at the historical cost peak - and for a humanities degree. Sigh...

 

[ND-North]

I have taken a truly personal perspective on this as in reality, all I or my wife can do is protect myself and my kids.I work in an office with 40 people and I am the ONLY one who wears a mask routinely (masks not mandated in the office).

My sister is a nurse in Mississippi/Memphis and she has been on the COVID floor since they began coming in. According to her her personal experience at that hospital is that yes older people were getting it and died. Yes younger people got it later and had lesser symptoms or did not present. She hasnt treated any kids as they go elsewhere. What she also said is that the patients who came in and did not die, have been back repeatedly with new issues or worsened existing conditions, specifically pulmonary and cardiac issues.

Healthy young people coming back in after being treated and "getting over" symptoms with repository failures, decreased capacities, heart function and blood pressure spikes. There are others but you get what I am saying. My doctor here confirmed similar experience for his patients (He also volunteered to help MUSC treat and diagnose their typical patients becasue they were overwhelmed with cases in June and July).

I cant expect everyone to do whats in their best interest, and yes its an inconvenience but I cant in good conscience walk into a public place and not do everything I can to limit my exposure from them or protect them from me if I was (or am) an asymptomatic carrier.

I also will do everything I can to prevent bringing home something and giving it to my kid who then develops something that will last the rest of their lives.

Thank you. I struggle to understand how everyone does not share this mindset.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Always nice to know we paid the kids´ tuition at the historical cost peak - and for a humanities degree. Sigh...

Hey, I think it's great. I have two humanities degrees!

Treating college as purely vocational has been a bad thing, IMO.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Here's a timely thread on why schools can't afford to simply send everyone home and do "distance learning":

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So everyone is talking about UNC's COVID-19 mess - and all that criticism is perfectly valid.<br><br>But we also need to talk about why the uni-administration probably had no choice.<br><br>Buckle up and let's talk about university finances and the 4 horsemen of the academipocalypse. 1/lots?</p>— Bret Devereaux (@BretDevereaux) <a href="https://twitter.com/BretDevereaux/status/1295909929228873728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[tussin]

Here's a timely thread on why schools can't afford to simply send everyone home and do "distance learning":

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So everyone is talking about UNC's COVID-19 mess - and all that criticism is perfectly valid.<br><br>But we also need to talk about why the uni-administration probably had no choice.<br><br>Buckle up and let's talk about university finances and the 4 horsemen of the academipocalypse. 1/lots?</p>— Bret Devereaux (@BretDevereaux) <a href="https://twitter.com/BretDevereaux/status/1295909929228873728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He ignores the most obvious of solutions: End federally backed student loans.

 

[notredomer23]

Another 73 positives today for ND.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

be interested to see if there are any parents on here with kids who are college freshmen, surely it makes sense to defer or send your kid to a local community college for a year or two?

Not me personally but I have a buddy on my softball team (I know, we're real tough guys lol) whose daughter was set to enroll at MSU for her freshman year but after they announced virtual learning, she opted to take a year at Oakland CC to save some $$$. Sure she's one of many taking that route.

 

[texbender]

Not me personally but I have a buddy on my softball team (I know, we're real tough guys lol) whose daughter was set to enroll at MSU for her freshman year but after they announced virtual learning, she opted to take a year at Oakland CC to save some $$$. Sure she's one of many taking that route.

Besides my real job I am an Adjunct Instructor at a Dallas County Community College District campus, and the course I teach that might normally have 8-14 students has 33 enrolled for Fall semester. And classes will be online, as they were since Spring break last Spring semester.

Seems like especially for freshmen, going the CC route for a year is a no brainer in this environment..

 

[dublinirish]

practice was cancelled today

 

[SonofOahu]

Is a mere 3 guys even considered a bukkake?

Pssssh, 3... Peter North could host his own one-man party, back in the day.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Scheduled South Florida to replace Western Michigan.

 

[notredomer23]

Scheduled South Florida to replace Western Michigan.

Now I’m in favor of canceling the season. Scarred by 2011

 

[Irish#1]

practice was cancelled today

Due to the student test results?