2019 Spring Practice Thread

[Luckylucci]

Agree, while Ishaq may have had his hand in the dirt occasionally, he was upright and not in a three point stance more times than not. He should have been a DE all along, but not in a 3-4. He was poised to finally live up to his potential his last year when we switched back to a 4-3 and he was to be a DE, but then he got suspended and the rest is history. Wrong place, wrong time.

Well, most of the time he was on campus we had a multiple front scheme. So we'd be in a 3-4 50% of snaps and a 4-3 50% of snaps (probably more like 55/45 but you get the point). When we went to a 4-3, our CAT LB's put their hand down like WDE's do. So, Shembo put his hand down quite a bit. The difference is, Ishaq never won the job and therefore didn't get as many of those opportunities. And, you weren't going to take Tuitt off the field, at SDE, who was the best pass rusher of the last decade+. They tried to find "other" opportunities for him and it wasn't successful.

 

[Luckylucci]

Tim Prister mentioned on the Pod today that he wouldn’t be surprised if Drew White is the starter at Mike come fall. This is a bit odd because Bilal is currently working at Mike and BK mentioned that Bilal has locked down a spot in the rotation. We’ve also heard that Lamb will be the Buck in passing downs. Makes me wonder if this will be the rotation come fall:

Starting Lineup:

Buck: Bilal
Mike: White
Rover: JOK

Passing Downs:

Buck: Lamb
Mike: Bilal
Rover: JOK

A majority of passing downs, we'll probably be in Nickel. Where JOK will be replaced with a CB.

 

[Crazy Balki]

To be honest I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. Ishaq almost exclusively practiced as Shembo's backup at CAT (as well as on every depth chart I've ever seen), Shembo just rarely came off the field and Ishaq never even remotely pushed him at CAT. So there would be game plan specific things Diaco did to get Ishaq involved like at UM in 2013. Or he'd pull the Dog and replace that player with Ishaq in certain packages (ala Denver with Miller/Ware) but never worked like that, lol. And this would require Ishaq to be in coverage for some of those snaps (probably why folks remember it that way). He was set to become a true DE in 2014 when BVG was hired but then was suspended due to academics.

In 2011 it was Fleming/Ishaq at Cat and Shembo/Niklas at Drop. In 2012, it was Spond/Councell at Drop and Shembo/Ishaq at CAT. In 2013 it was Spond/Jaylon at Dog (Spond retired in August, prior to the season) with Shembo/Ishaq at Cat.

Here is a link to UND.com's official depth charts. The archives have all the depth charts from previous seasons.

https://und.com/documents/2013/1/3/_nd_m_footbl_2012_13_depth_chart_event__depth_chart.pdf

I thought so. I don't recall Ishaq ever lining up or being mentioned to have played the DOG spot. He was recruited to be a CAT/Rush End for Diaco's scheme.

Shembo did play the DOG (or Drop) and he was extremely underwhelming in that regard. Him and Niklas were underwhelming at that spot. I sort of get it though, because Shembo stood out and they had to find a way to get him and Fleming on the field to maximize the pass rush. Problem was that Shembo was a net loss in coverage.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Tim Prister mentioned on the Pod today that he wouldn’t be surprised if Drew White is the starter at Mike come fall. This is a bit odd because Bilal is currently working at Mike and BK mentioned that Bilal has locked down a spot in the rotation. We’ve also heard that Lamb will be the Buck in passing downs. Makes me wonder if this will be the rotation come fall:

Starting Lineup:

Buck: Bilal
Mike: White
Rover: JOK

Passing Downs:

Buck: Lamb
Mike: Bilal
Rover: JOK

I really hope not.

Nothing against White, but he wasn't in the rotation last year outside of Navy, where he was used specifically as a spy for the option.

Now he'll miss all of spring and a good chunk of summer workouts recovering from surgery.

I don't see how White has earned a spot in the rotation, much less the starting bid over guys like Bauer and Jones, who have seen more action than him and are healthy.

And I'm sorry, but where in the hell is Jordan Genmark-Heath in all this? I keep waiting to hear something about him positive, and so far, he doesn't seem to even be up for consideration at Buck anymore. All I hear is Bilal, Lamb and Simon.

 

[rtrn2glory]

imo we are in a tough spot at the buck position. we were lucky to have a guy like drue who really saved us.

now we're hoping to strike lighting in the same place twice with the type of body drue had where bilal just isn't that imo. hope i'm wrong. it's just super hard to find a guy that can play both the run and pass at a high level at that position. Maybe Lamb is that guy, but he'll need some definite seasoning before we know for sure.

i know i saw more big plays given up by the defense in one practice than I did all year combined last season. maybe a credit to our offense, but maybe not.

 

[rtrn2glory]

i know it's a few days late, but i figured i'd give a breakdown of what I saw saturday at practice:

From a recruit standpoint:
by far the most impressive individual I saw was Tosh Baker (OL from Arizona). Landing this guy in the OL class would absolutely make every one else added gravy. He will have an NFL body the moment he walks on whatever campus he chooses. REALLY want him to be Irish
The other positive I will refer to was Phillips the CB from Cali. Julian Love walked him around throughout practice and seemed to be our silent recruiter. Good personality and from looks of seeing him and person and reading the reports we did everything we could here, whatever happens happens.
I mentioned a few other things in some of the other recruits threads, but won't drag on.

In regards to our current roster a few dudes struck me as "looking the part":
1. Chase Claypool - anything less than a monster season from him will be a huge surprise. Physically, he's a beast, and he had a few periods where he absolutely dominated the team session. I feel very comfortable he will step in fine for Boykin at the boundary WR spot and we won't skip a beat.
2. Quinn Carrol - Can't speak for him dominating in the same fashion has Claypool, but of the OL we currently have on the roster, he is the first guy off the bus looking type of dude. Struggled a bit on the edge in 1 on 1's, but my gut tells me he'll need to be ready to go for us at some point this season.
3. Julian Okwara - limited reps on Saturday, but the ones I saw he was very dominant. And physically he's a "dude" in the sense that he could play for anyone in the country.
4. Jalen Elliot - Looks very confident. Seems to be taking on more of a leadership role. Again, physically I would say he looks like a guy you would see play on CBS (if you get my drift)
5. Kurt Hinish - I can definitely see the Zorich comparisons. Dude plays Nose and looks like an old school I FB.
6. Kevin Austin - Had his way with the #2 DB's. I really hope he can figure things out because, he's the guy that makes a difference in the big games like Clemson, Michigan, Georgia.
7. Chris Finke/Lawerence Keys - Both of these dudes are explosive. I was really surprised at how fast Finke really is. He had a period or two where he was un-guardable and LK is a flat out take the top off the D type of dude. He is a guy that will abuse any LB or Safety they try to put on him 1 on 1.

Overall thoughts:

Offense: The run game is more of a question mark for me than it was going in. I think we're going to really need one of the new RB's to step up other than TJ and Jamar. Jamar is the closest thing to HR we got at the position. The passing game should stay explosive. I was a little concerned at times with our ability to protect and Coach Long voiced his displeasure on this as well, but I have 100% confidence in coach Quinn and he'll iron these things out. Offensive sleeper prediction - Jahmir Smith - I think he could be a guy that will possibly end up with 5-10 TD's this year for us.

Defense: Case in point....our DL and Safeties need to have GREAT years. On top of that we really need a 3rd safety to step up and be serviceable b/c there's a HUGE drop off after Alohi and Jalen. At corner Pride will be fine and Houston is still learning the position in the boundary. Imo this will be the key to the season defensively. Our DB's need to have great years and we need our recruiting to take effect more this year than ever. Those #2's and #3's need to be developed and have less of a drop off than last year. Maybe i'm crazy, but i'm not as concerned at LB maybe b/c i have that much confidence in Lea as a coach. Defensive sleeper prediction - Tariq Bracy - All the talk on Griffith allows this dude to fly under the radar. I know he's not a boundary type of guy, but I could see him making a splash in a game or two this fall. Was limited on Saturday due to being banged up, but there were a few things that looked promising with him.

Sorry about the long spleel, but thought I'd give my thoughts whatever thats worth.

 

[PANDFAN]

i know it's a few days late, but i figured i'd give a breakdown of what I saw saturday at practice:

From a recruit standpoint:
by far the most impressive individual I saw was Tosh Baker (OL from Arizona). Landing this guy in the OL class would absolutely make every one else added gravy. He will have an NFL body the moment he walks on whatever campus he chooses. REALLY want him to be Irish
The other positive I will refer to was Phillips the CB from Cali. Julian Love walked him around throughout practice and seemed to be our silent recruiter. Good personality and from looks of seeing him and person and reading the reports we did everything we could here, whatever happens happens.
I mentioned a few other things in some of the other recruits threads, but won't drag on.

In regards to our current roster a few dudes struck me as "looking the part":
1. Chase Claypool - anything less than a monster season from him will be a huge surprise. Physically, he's a beast, and he had a few periods where he absolutely dominated the team session. I feel very comfortable he will step in fine for Boykin at the boundary WR spot and we won't skip a beat.
2. Quinn Carrol - Can't speak for him dominating in the same fashion has Claypool, but of the OL we currently have on the roster, he is the first guy off the bus looking type of dude. Struggled a bit on the edge in 1 on 1's, but my gut tells me he'll need to be ready to go for us at some point this season.
3. Julian Okwara - limited reps on Saturday, but the ones I saw he was very dominant. And physically he's a "dude" in the sense that he could play for anyone in the country.
4. Jalen Elliot - Looks very confident. Seems to be taking on more of a leadership role. Again, physically I would say he looks like a guy you would see play on CBS (if you get my drift)
5. Kurt Hinish - I can definitely see the Zorich comparisons. Dude plays Nose and looks like an old school I FB.
6. Kevin Austin - Had his way with the #2 DB's. I really hope he can figure things out because, he's the guy that makes a difference in the big games like Clemson, Michigan, Georgia.
7. Chris Finke/Lawerence Keys - Both of these dudes are explosive. I was really surprised at how fast Finke really is. He had a period or two where he was un-guardable and LK is a flat out take the top off the D type of dude. He is a guy that will abuse any LB or Safety they try to put on him 1 on 1.

Overall thoughts:

Offense: The run game is more of a question mark for me than it was going in. I think we're going to really need one of the new RB's to step up other than TJ and Jamar. Jamar is the closest thing to HR we got at the position. The passing game should stay explosive. I was a little concerned at times with our ability to protect and Coach Long voiced his displeasure on this as well, but I have 100% confidence in coach Quinn and he'll iron these things out. Offensive sleeper prediction - Jahmir Smith - I think he could be a guy that will possibly end up with 5-10 TD's this year for us.

Defense: Case in point....our DL and Safeties need to have GREAT years. On top of that we really need a 3rd safety to step up and be serviceable b/c there's a HUGE drop off after Alohi and Jalen. At corner Pride will be fine and Houston is still learning the position in the boundary. Imo this will be the key to the season defensively. Our DB's need to have great years and we need our recruiting to take effect more this year than ever. Those #2's and #3's need to be developed and have less of a drop off than last year. Maybe i'm crazy, but i'm not as concerned at LB maybe b/c i have that much confidence in Lea as a coach. Defensive sleeper prediction - Tariq Bracy - All the talk on Griffith allows this dude to fly under the radar. I know he's not a boundary type of guy, but I could see him making a splash in a game or two this fall. Was limited on Saturday due to being banged up, but there were a few things that looked promising with him.

Sorry about the long spleel, but thought I'd give my thoughts whatever thats worth.

guess BK really did piss him off and his family

 

[koonja]

I'm surprised Prister would mention White as an option. Not only missing spring, but it's a shoulder injury, isn't it? Not to mention a reoccurring shoulder injury?

And I'm selling hard on Bilal - let it be known. He couldn't make a play with a full year at rover, and Buck or Mike is going to be very disappointing for him, IMO.

My prediction is by the end of the year, a combination of Lamb/Simon/Jon Jones/JOK/JOH come in and make plays and we wonder "why is Bilal playing over them?".

 

[IrishLion]

I'm surprised Prister would mention White as an option. Not only missing spring, but it's a shoulder injury, isn't it? Not to mention a reoccurring shoulder injury?

And I'm selling hard on Bilal - let it be known. He couldn't make a play with a full year at rover, and Buck or Mike is going to be very disappointing for him, IMO.

My prediction is by the end of the year, a combination of Lamb/Simon/Jon Jones/JOK/JOH come in and make plays and we wonder "why is Bilal playing over them?".

Lea is a smart guy. He's not going to be beholden to someone for sake of seniority, like BK/BVG were for Joe Schmidt, if there's a better option out there.

He'll put the best three on the field, and use the best subs after that based on situation. If there's one coach that has earned the benefit of the doubt, it's Lea.

I'm with you, though... people are worried about Simon not picking things up like he should be, but it's only Spring, and he looked the part when he got his chances last year in limited packages. I'm betting with more time, he'll become a mainstay at Mike or Buck, allowing Lea to use JGH/Bilal/Lamb alongside him, depending on what the defense needs.

 

[BobbyMac]

i know it's a few days late, but i figured i'd give a breakdown of what I saw saturday at practice:

From a recruit standpoint:
by far the most impressive individual I saw was Tosh Baker (OL from Arizona). Landing this guy in the OL class would absolutely make every one else added gravy. He will have an NFL body the moment he walks on whatever campus he chooses. REALLY want him to be Irish
The other positive I will refer to was Phillips the CB from Cali. Julian Love walked him around throughout practice and seemed to be our silent recruiter. Good personality and from looks of seeing him and person and reading the reports we did everything we could here, whatever happens happens.
I mentioned a few other things in some of the other recruits threads, but won't drag on.

Thanks rtrn2glory, good stuff.

In regards to Baker... He's got a future NFL frame for sure but under the jacket/coat he had on, he's not Balis Built by any means. He'll need a year to get up to size but if Eichenberg stays for a 5th, it could be a perfect hand off going into the '21 season for Baker at LT. This is assuming he beats out Kristofic & Carroll which isn't guaranteed of course.

 

[Irish Man3]

Thanks rtrn2glory, good stuff.

In regards to Baker... He's got a future NFL frame for sure but under the jacket/coat he had on, he's not Balis Built by any means. He'll need a year to get up to size but if Eichenberg stays for a 5th, it could be a perfect hand off going into the '21 season for Baker at LT. This is assuming he beats out Kristofic & Carroll which isn't guaranteed of course.

You think Carroll has LT potential?

I'm not sure I'm quite there with Carroll. He has RT written all over him, IMO.

 

[rtrn2glory]

You think Carroll has LT potential?

I'm not sure I'm quite there with Carroll. He has RT written all over him, IMO.

that's where he was working out Saturday.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm surprised Prister would mention White as an option. Not only missing spring, but it's a shoulder injury, isn't it? Not to mention a reoccurring shoulder injury?

And I'm selling hard on Bilal - let it be known. He couldn't make a play with a full year at rover, and Buck or Mike is going to be very disappointing for him, IMO.

My prediction is by the end of the year, a combination of Lamb/Simon/Jon Jones/JOK/JOH come in and make plays and we wonder "why is Bilal playing over them?".

While I would agree that Bilal has been disappointing this is just not true. Did he make enough plays, no. But, he definitely made some plays and some significant ones at that. For example, he was really good in coverage and physical with the Stanford TE's. Made a nice play for a TFL on Love in the same game.

 

[Luckylucci]

that's where he was working out Saturday.

Good to hear that he is, that must mean they at least think he has a shot at it. However, I think it's mostly due to lack of depth. There are very few options at OT now. Apparently, Lugg can't play it and last years backup LT is now our OC.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Good to hear that he is, that must mean they at least think he has a shot at it. However, I think it's mostly due to lack of depth. There are very few options at OT now. Apparently, Lugg can't play it and last years backup LT is now our OC.

he didn't look comfortable, but it's early.

 

[snoopdog]

Good to hear that he is, that must mean they at least think he has a shot at it. However, I think it's mostly due to lack of depth. There are very few options at OT now. Apparently, Lugg can't play it and last years backup LT is now our OC.

I wonder if Liam went down, god forbid, if Long wouldn't have Hainsey move over to LT and try either Banks or Lugg at RT

 

[longliveautrydenson]

I wonder if Liam went down, god forbid, if Long wouldn't have Hainsey move over to LT and try either Banks or Lugg at RT

I think Banks has already been rotating in behind Eichenberg. So if Liam gets injured Banks slides to LT and Lugg starts at LG. I also feel like Prister has been really high on Banks’ potential at LT, but I may be misremembering.

 

[PANDFAN]

I think Banks has already been rotating in behind Eichenberg. So if Liam gets injured Banks slides to LT and Lugg starts at LG. I also feel like Prister has been really high on Banks’ potential at LT, but I may be misremembering.

he said on the podcast he has the most NFL potential of current lineman..not sure if he meant starters or what

 

[Sherm Sticky]

i know it's a few days late, but i figured i'd give a breakdown of what I saw saturday at practice:

From a recruit standpoint:
by far the most impressive individual I saw was Tosh Baker (OL from Arizona). Landing this guy in the OL class would absolutely make every one else added gravy. He will have an NFL body the moment he walks on whatever campus he chooses. REALLY want him to be Irish
The other positive I will refer to was Phillips the CB from Cali. Julian Love walked him around throughout practice and seemed to be our silent recruiter. Good personality and from looks of seeing him and person and reading the reports we did everything we could here, whatever happens happens.
I mentioned a few other things in some of the other recruits threads, but won't drag on.

In regards to our current roster a few dudes struck me as "looking the part":
1. Chase Claypool - anything less than a monster season from him will be a huge surprise. Physically, he's a beast, and he had a few periods where he absolutely dominated the team session. I feel very comfortable he will step in fine for Boykin at the boundary WR spot and we won't skip a beat.
2. Quinn Carrol - Can't speak for him dominating in the same fashion has Claypool, but of the OL we currently have on the roster, he is the first guy off the bus looking type of dude. Struggled a bit on the edge in 1 on 1's, but my gut tells me he'll need to be ready to go for us at some point this season.
3. Julian Okwara - limited reps on Saturday, but the ones I saw he was very dominant. And physically he's a "dude" in the sense that he could play for anyone in the country.
4. Jalen Elliot - Looks very confident. Seems to be taking on more of a leadership role. Again, physically I would say he looks like a guy you would see play on CBS (if you get my drift)
5. Kurt Hinish - I can definitely see the Zorich comparisons. Dude plays Nose and looks like an old school I FB.
6. Kevin Austin - Had his way with the #2 DB's. I really hope he can figure things out because, he's the guy that makes a difference in the big games like Clemson, Michigan, Georgia.
7. Chris Finke/Lawerence Keys - Both of these dudes are explosive. I was really surprised at how fast Finke really is. He had a period or two where he was un-guardable and LK is a flat out take the top off the D type of dude. He is a guy that will abuse any LB or Safety they try to put on him 1 on 1.

Overall thoughts:

Offense: The run game is more of a question mark for me than it was going in. I think we're going to really need one of the new RB's to step up other than TJ and Jamar. Jamar is the closest thing to HR we got at the position. The passing game should stay explosive. I was a little concerned at times with our ability to protect and Coach Long voiced his displeasure on this as well, but I have 100% confidence in coach Quinn and he'll iron these things out. Offensive sleeper prediction - Jahmir Smith - I think he could be a guy that will possibly end up with 5-10 TD's this year for us.

Defense: Case in point....our DL and Safeties need to have GREAT years. On top of that we really need a 3rd safety to step up and be serviceable b/c there's a HUGE drop off after Alohi and Jalen. At corner Pride will be fine and Houston is still learning the position in the boundary. Imo this will be the key to the season defensively. Our DB's need to have great years and we need our recruiting to take effect more this year than ever. Those #2's and #3's need to be developed and have less of a drop off than last year. Maybe i'm crazy, but i'm not as concerned at LB maybe b/c i have that much confidence in Lea as a coach. Defensive sleeper prediction - Tariq Bracy - All the talk on Griffith allows this dude to fly under the radar. I know he's not a boundary type of guy, but I could see him making a splash in a game or two this fall. Was limited on Saturday due to being banged up, but there were a few things that looked promising with him.

Sorry about the long spleel, but thought I'd give my thoughts whatever thats worth.

Great update, thank you for putting this together.

I have always been very high on Jahmir Smith, even before he committed. If he stays healthy I think by the end of the season he could be the #1 back or at worst heavily in the RB rotation.


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[Sherm Sticky]

he said on the podcast he has the most NFL potential of current lineman..not sure if he meant starters or what

This is good to hear. Banks is the definition of a dancing bear. Keep in mind he was one hell of a basketball player which has helped him develop incredible feet. I always thought RT was the ideal spot for Banks. But due to the injury to Bars last year the coaches moved him to guard in order to get the best 5 OL on the field at the same time.


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[koonja]

This question was asked at ISD, and I thought I'd give the haters their fix for the day: "Jamie, Mike, and Matt - what does Bilal *not* do well?"

My response:

Not any of those guys, but IMO.

-- Doesn't hustle to the ball. Often times he looks like Jadaveon Clowney's junior year just going through the motions if they play isn't directly at him.
-- Not strong at point of attack. Never stops runners in their tracks, much less push them back. He tackles soft for a LB IMO.

That's really it that I can speak to, but those are freaking huge if you're a LB. He might be slow to recognition, but I can't say that I've seen that, he's just not a physical football player and doesn't make many plays, let alone stop ball carriers where they're at because of that.

If, in my incredibly modest body, I was forced to run an Oklahoma drill against any ND LBer, I would pick Bilal in a heartbeat. He'd tackle me, but I know I would be worst off against anyone else, and I might even fall forward for a yard.

The more I think about it, the more I think I could rock him. And I'd be afraid of any other ND LB just because I'd go into it with the expectation that this is a D1 LBer, and he's going to wreck me. Bilal wouldn't worry me.

 

[IrishLion]

I love when Koon decides to just straight up troll.

We don't have enough of that anymore.

 

[koonja]

I love when Koon decides to just straight up troll.

We don't have enough of that anymore.

I'm not trolling. I'd actually give it a shot.

I wouldn't even want money, the only thing I'd ask is that any medical costs be covered...


For Bilal.

 

[zelezo vlk]

.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm not trolling. I'd actually give it a shot.

I wouldn't even want money, the only thing I'd ask is that any medical costs be covered...


For Bilal.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with questioning his play recognition or his effort when the play goes away from him (though a lot of what looks like "laziness" could really just be the Rover staying home backside by design). That stuff is well known.

But I disagree about his physical ability. He's a really good athlete, especially when he recognizes the play and is able to get downhill. He's not a big-time thumper, but he's not a dude that is gonna get run over, like you seem to think. He was at his best last year when he was attacking the run and flying through gaps. He just didn't get many chances to do that late in the year based on the opponents during the last half of the season, and because that's not often the Rover's job.

I'd encourage you to watch the scUM and Stanford games again if you have time. Bilal looked bad in coverage, as per what we all know, but he looked fine against the run.

I think being a two-down linebacker in the middle is going to be great for Bilal. We just need to hope that Lamb and JOK are actually developing well, and aren't just getting good reviews for lack of options.

 

[koonja]

Honestly, I don't have a problem with questioning his play recognition or his effort when the play goes away from him (though a lot of what looks like "laziness" could really just be the Rover staying home backside by design). That stuff is well known.

But I disagree about his physical ability. He's a really good athlete, especially when he recognizes the play and is able to get downhill. He's not a big-time thumper, but he's not a dude that is gonna get run over, like you seem to think. He was at his best last year when he was attacking the run and flying through gaps. He just didn't get many chances to do that late in the year based on the opponents during the last half of the season, and because that's not often the Rover's job.

I'd encourage you to watch the scUM and Stanford games again if you have time. Bilal looked bad in coverage, as per what we all know, but he looked fine against the run.

I think being a two-down linebacker in the middle is going to be great for Bilal. We just need to hope that Lamb and JOK are actually developing well, and aren't just getting good reviews for lack of options.

I think he's a really good athlete too. But on the spectrum of "hard nosed" to "soft", he's towards the latter, IMO. And you can't be a good LB if that's the case.

I'll shut up about it until he shows this in the fall - but I stand by all of the above.

 

[Luckylucci]

I don’t think anybody is saying Bilal is great or even defending his play but the lengths you go to describe his play is ridiculous (and you know this). He does make plays just not enough. Some of what you said shouldn’t be a surprise, he was the smallest of the LB’s, last year. However, the dude would absolutely wreck you in an Oklahoma drill.

I think the Bilal discussion is a good one because there might be some difficult conversations inside the Gug this Spring/Fall but the way you go about it is childish and doesn’t make for a reasonable discussion.

 

[koonja]

I don’t think anybody is saying Bilal is great or even defending his play but the lengths you go to describe his play is ridiculous (and you know this). He does make plays just not enough. Some of what you said shouldn’t be a surprise, he was the smallest of the LB’s, last year. However, the dude would absolutely wreck you in an Oklahoma drill.

I think the Bilal discussion is a good one because there might be some difficult conversations inside the Gug this Spring/Fall but the way you go about it is childish and doesn’t make for a reasonable discussion.

No scrrred.

 

[Luckylucci]

No scrrred.

Not surprised, you’re behind a screen.

 

[koonja]

Not surprised, you’re behind a screen.

That's true.

It's also true I'd pick him as my opponent over any ND LB currently on campus. And I really wouldn't be afraid.

Both are true.