2018 NFL Draft

[beryirish]

Browns picked up RB Carlos Hyde - say Barkley still in play.

Cleveland Browns expected to sign running back Carlos Hyde, but Saquon Barkley still in play

 

[woolybug25]

Honestly, go through the list and show me how many of those would be considered successes elsewhere (I mean we are talking about a list highlighted by the likes of Brandon Weedon, Manziel, Sencea Wallace etc...) , or showed that they could actually play after their time in Cleveland... it's a SMALL list... not getting the right guy actually has a lot to do with it... are you going to say it's the drinking water or the uniform instead?? Because that's like the only things that have stayed constant otherwise.

I guess we’ll never know because Cleveland ruined them. But you can definitely make the argument that guys like Brady Quinn could have had better career if they wouldn’t have been drafted by the Browns. Guys like McCown and Hoyer have had a lot of success once they left as well. The reality is that you can give me a pool of 28 quarterbacks of any quality and you are statistically bound to hit lightening in a bottle with one of them. Some random journeyman that a good coach happens to make work for a season... SOMETHING. To act like 28 quarterbacks were all bad and if they “just get the right guy in there” that all the woes will be over is simply ignoring the obvious. That it’s never been a “QB problem” in Cleveland. It’s been a cultural problem that has resignated down from ownership, GM’s and Coaches.

Build a team. Draft well. Create a culture of winning. Until y’all do that, quit coming at us with allusions that some magic QB will fix your woes.

Btw, I actually think the Browns are heading this direction. They’ve had a great offseason.

 

[ACamp1900]

I guess we’ll never know because Cleveland ruined them. But you can definitely make the argument that guys like Brady Quinn could have had better career if they wouldn’t have been drafted by the Browns. Guys like McCown and Hoyer have had a lot of success once they left as well. The reality is that you can give me a pool of 28 quarterbacks of any quality and you are statistically bound to hit lightening in a bottle with one of them. Some random journeyman that a good coach happens to make work for a season... SOMETHING. To act like 28 quarterbacks were all bad and if they “just get the right guy in there” that all the woes will be over is simply ignoring the obvious. That it’s never been a “QB problem” in Cleveland. It’s been a cultural problem that has resignated down from ownership, GM’s and Coaches.

Build a team. Draft well. Create a culture of winning. Until y’all do that, quit coming at us with allusions that some magic QB will fix your woes.

Where dafaq did anyone do the bolded??? Certainly not me, which is exactly why I was against drafting a QB the last couple years. How about you quit coming to us with made up bullshit?? At some point though they will need a franchise guy and those rarely come outside the first round.

Anyway, Hoyer and McGown had reasonable success in Cleveland. It's not like they lit it up elsewhere and sucked ass in a Browns uni... Anderson and Couch were decent too so it's not a list of 28 complete bums. You people make it out like if they had drafted Aaron Rogers or Andrew Luck they'd both be out of the league already... I say they haven't had anyone of that level in a real long time. Frankly why the hell do you care anyway??

 

[woolybug25]

Where dafaq did anyone do the bolded??? Certainly not me, which is exactly why I was against drafting a QB the last couple years. How about you quit coming to us with made up bullshit?? At some point though they will need a franchise guy and those rarely come outside the first round.

I don’t know, maybe a few posts ago when Gattaca pretty much says that verbatim?

Anyway, Hoyer and McGown had reasonable success in Cleveland. It's not like they lit it up elsewhere and sucked ass in a Browns uni... Anderson and Couch were decent too so it's not a list of 28 complete bums. You people make it out like if they had drafted Aaron Rogers or Andrew Luck they'd both be out of the league already... I say they haven't had anyone of that level in a real long time. Frankly why the hell do you care anyway??

Like I said, there is literally no way that you can say that not one of the 28 could have become a franchise QB. The reality is that if you take the last 28 QB’s picked between rounds 2-6, I guarantee you will find at least one that has panned out. That is all I was saying, that your premise that they all sucked and it’s not about the Browns is statistically improbable.

I can care about whatever I want.

 

[ACamp1900]

I don’t know, maybe a few posts ago when Gattaca pretty much says that verbatim?

bull.

shit.

He said just take the top guy for once instead of constantly trying to find a gem later on... that's very different from, "constantly coming at people allusions that some magic QB will fix your woes."

But whatever, your mo is to start shit over nothing and here we are again... you're a troll. piss off.

 

[IrishLion]

bull.

shit.

He said just take the top guy for once instead of constantly trying to find a gem later on... that's very different from, "constantly coming at people allusions that some magic QB will fix your woes."

But whatever, your mo is to start shit over nothing and here we are again... you're a troll. piss off.

That's what's funny, though, is Gattaca complains about all the trial-and-error, and then names Rosen like he's the clear-cut answer. Rosen has red flags, just like every other QB the Browns have taken and failed to develop for the past 20 years.

 

[woolybug25]

bull.

shit.

He said just take the top guy for once instead of constantly trying to find a gem later on... that's very different from, "constantly coming at people allusions that some magic QB will fix your woes."

But whatever, your mo is to start shit over nothing and here we are again... you're a troll. piss off.

My MO?

Give me a break, I haven’t even been posting for months. I don’t have an MO. You engaged me, not the other way around. All I did was call a spade a spade and you don’t like it. Whatever, I don’t really care.

 

[IrishLion]

I'd like to make it clear that I'm not picking a fight with Gattaca over his opinion. I'd be frustrated too, if I were a Browns fan (I'm a Bengals fan so LOL @ me).

I just think it's funny to see his belief in Rosen over the other guys in the unpredictable business that is drafting QB's, especially when placed in the context of his obvious frustration with the franchise's half-measures.

Rosen *might* turn out to be the best of the bunch... but so could Allen, Darnold, Mayfield, or even Lamar Jackson. They've all got warts that can halt their pro aspirations, but they all have redeeming qualities that could help them be the next big things.

Hell, the best QB in this draft could end up being a guy like Kurt Benkert or Mike White, guys who didn't start really developing until their 4th or 5th years in college, but took off like rocket ships once they did. They'll be drafted in later rounds, but who's to say they won't be the next Tom Brady?

 

[Luckylucci]

I'd like to make it clear that I'm not picking a fight with Gattaca over his opinion. I'd be frustrated too, if I were a Browns fan (I'm a Bengals fan so LOL @ me).

I just think it's funny to see his belief in Rosen over the other guys in the unpredictable business that is drafting QB's, especially when placed in the context of his obvious frustration with the franchise's half-measures.

Rosen *might* turn out to be the best of the bunch... but so could Allen, Darnold, Mayfield, or even Lamar Jackson. They've all got warts that can halt their pro aspirations, but they all have redeeming qualities that could help them be the next big things.

Hell, the best QB in this draft could end up being a guy like Kurt Benkert or Mike White, guys who didn't start really developing until their 4th or 5th years in college, but took off like rocket ships once they did. They'll be drafted in later rounds, but who's to say they won't be the next Tom Brady?

My take as well. To act as if it's as simple as "Just draft the best QB at 1.", is not being truthful about the process.

 

[Irish#1]

My MO?

Give me a break, I haven’t even been posting for months. I don’t have an MO. You engaged me, not the other way around. All I did was call a spade a spade and you don’t like it. Whatever, I don’t really care.

It's almost spring. Like the great grizzly, Wooly is emerging from his hibernation.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'd like to make it clear that I'm not picking a fight with Gattaca over his opinion. I'd be frustrated too, if I were a Browns fan (I'm a Bengals fan so LOL @ me).

I just think it's funny to see his belief in Rosen over the other guys in the unpredictable business that is drafting QB's, especially when placed in the context of his obvious frustration with the franchise's half-measures.

Rosen *might* turn out to be the best of the bunch... but so could Allen, Darnold, Mayfield, or even Lamar Jackson. They've all got warts that can halt their pro aspirations, but they all have redeeming qualities that could help them be the next big things.

Hell, the best QB in this draft could end up being a guy like Kurt Benkert or Mike White, guys who didn't start really developing until their 4th or 5th years in college, but took off like rocket ships once they did. They'll be drafted in later rounds, but who's to say they won't be the next Tom Brady?

and this is fair...

It's very rarely a sure thing... but at some point they do need to go in on a guy they believe is close to... they haven't done that since Couch really...

 

[ACamp1900]

Interesting stuff here... Rudolph the highest rated QB... Barkley much lower than others would assume... Chubb top guy overall.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/

 

[beryirish]

If that's the case then I'd go best OT and Defender or both defenders (Chubb and Fitz...wow).

ACamp: Interesting stuff here... Rudolph the highest rated QB... Barkley much lower than others would assume... Chubb top guy overall.

That's what I would love to see. Chubb and Fitz. But now with Thomas retiring, LT is something to think about as well.

 

[Irish YJ]

Q at 2, Big Mike at 17 in CBS's latest.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-up-into-top-five-for-qb-saquon-barkley-drops/

 

[ACamp1900]

Browns nation already talking playoffs... and not in the goofy acamp way but literally making cases for the expectation... poor souls

 

[Irish YJ]

Browns nation already talking playoffs... and not in the goofy acamp way but literally making cases for the expectation... poor souls

You think they will still take a QB after getting TT?

 

[gkIrish]

Q at 2, Big Mike at 17 in CBS's latest.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-up-into-top-five-for-qb-saquon-barkley-drops/

Would make me so happy as a Giants fan. He is the type of player you need to win championships.

 

[ACamp1900]

You think they will still take a QB after getting TT?

Yes... Taylor grades as one of the best QBs Cleveland has had in a long time but he's not a long term answer, I think everyone knows that.

 

[Irish YJ]

Would make me so happy as a Giants fan. He is the type of player you need to win championships.

Yup. Eli would definitely approve.

 

[ACamp1900]

Rosen reportedly wants to play for a big market team, and wants to play immediately, he also isn't the locker leader type and doesn't want the rah-rah role... all of this goes against Cleveland sorry GATT.

 

[dublinirish]

Rosen reportedly wants to play for a big market team, and wants to play immediately, he also isn't the locker leader type and doesn't want the rah-rah role... all of this goes against Cleveland sorry GATT.

i'd say Rosen is bummed the Giants havent moved on from Eli. He would have loved that job.

 

[dublinirish]

Browns nation already talking playoffs... and not in the goofy acamp way but literally making cases for the expectation... poor souls

ACamp have you been listening to Thomahawk podcast? It's really really good, Thomas and Hawkins are just complete naturals and I could listen to Joe talk about anything any day of the week.

 

[NDdomer2]

The more I think about it browns taking their guy for qb at one makes the most sense. If u take Barkley or Chubb you may get the second or third best qb in The draft at 4.

Why not control their destiny and take the QB at 1. Hell Barkley/Chubb/both could be there at 4 anyways

 

[NDohio]

Theore I think about it browns taking their guy forqb at one makes the most sense. If u take Barkley or Chubb you may get the second or third best qb in The draft at 4.

Why not control their destiny and take the QB at 1. Hell Barkley/Chubb/both could be there at 4 anyways

Is there a clear cut, can't miss QB this year? I don't think there is. The top five or six QB's could all be really good but they have holes in their game/attitude. I don't think any of them are worth the No. 1 pick.

 

[dublinirish]

Is there a clear cut, can't miss QB this year? I don't think there is. The top five or six QB's could all be really good but they have holes in their game/attitude. I don't think any of them are worth the No. 1 pick.

i think the same and it will actually be good for them. there's a good chance at least 4 of them wont be thrown in the fire and asked to start from day one and they could all go on to develop and become one of the best historical QB classes of the modern era.

 

[NDohio]

i think the same and it will actually be good for them. there's a good chance at least 4 of them wont be thrown in the fire and asked to start from day one and they could all go on to develop and become one of the best historical QB classes of the modern era.

...unless they are the number one pick of the Browns...LOL

 

[dublinirish]

...unless they are the number one pick of the Browns...LOL

i implied 4 out of 5 haha

 

[ACamp1900]

ACamp have you been listening to Thomahawk podcast? It's really really good, Thomas and Hawkins are just complete naturals and I could listen to Joe talk about anything any day of the week.

Nope, any nuggets?

Is there a clear cut, can't miss QB this year? I don't think there is. The top five or six QB's could all be really good but they have holes in their game/attitude. I don't think any of them are worth the No. 1 pick.

There very rarely is though... very rarely.

 

[dublinirish]

Nope, any nuggets?

they had johnny football on a few weeks ago and it was pretty insightful and heartfelt. You can see Thomas is going to a TV star, he talks very well and very earnestly. His retirement press conference on monday is gonna be tear jerker for sure. Apparently he can never keep it together when he has to give eulogies or speeches.

It's quite Browns centric but there's enough there for all NFL fans. They interviewed Richard Sherman yesterday. I get the impression they could get any NFL player on it they wanted such is the respect Thomas has.

 

[STLDomer]

Jets traded up to #3 sending #6 and 3 second round picks to Indy.

Massive for the Browns. Guarantees almost that the top non-QB on their board will be there at #4.