2018 NFL Draft

[Legacy]

If Jets or Broncos could be reeled in to trading up for their QB at #1 that has to look pretty attractive. 4-5 spot drop plus 2019 #1 and some change - pretty good position to get two of Fitz, Chubb, Nelson, Barkley. You know 2 QBs will go in those top 3 or 4 spots.

They also get to cheat on that value chart since they have the #4 - teams are paying to jump them twice.

I'd work over the Jets - they will suck again so that 2019 more likely to be higher value.

Trade Value Chart for Cleveland's #1 is 3000. Cleveland's #4 is 1800. Denver at #5 is 1700. Jets at #6 is 1600. Miami at #11 is 1250. Buffalo just traded up (see below) for #12 worth 1200 should they wish to trade up. Arizona at #15 is 1050.

In trading OT Cordy Glenn to Cincy, Buffalo also swapped their #21 pick for Cincy's #12 overall. The Bills also free up cap space - $4.85 million. The Bills also have the 20th pick.

Indy at #3 is 2200, should someone wish to move up to their spot since they are willing to move back.

If Cleveland picks up a Free Agent QB to solidify that position, the Giants may well pick Barkley or Nelson and leave QB until 2019. The Jets could jump Denver by trading with Indy and if they assess one of the QBs much higher than the other. Why would either want to pay the hefty price for #1?

Oakland at #10 (1300) is willing to trade back. Arizona or Buffalo may want to jump Miami at #11.

Or any of those could take themselves out of the running by signing a FA QB.

 

[IrishLion]

So the Chiefs are basically about to institute the Baylor offense in the NFL, right?

With Watkins and Hill on the outside, you give them an all-vertical route tree... every route starts with a 5-yard burst straight ahead. Throw underneath against soft coverage, or throw over top against press... it makes sense both in terms of Watkins/Hill skill sets getting down the field, and in terms of Mahomes' arm strength.

Pound the middle with Hunt, or find him on easy outlets against LB's when the other defenders in coverage get run deep.

Abuse a cleared-out middle of the field with Kelce, or let him attack the seam vertically.

Go Chiefs.

 

[SoIll]

So the Chiefs are basically about to institute the Baylor offense in the NFL, right?

With Watkins and Hill on the outside, you give them an all-vertical route tree... every route starts with a 5-yard burst straight ahead. Throw underneath against soft coverage, or throw over top against press... it makes sense both in terms of Watkins/Hill skill sets getting down the field, and in terms of Mahomes' arm strength.

Pound the middle with Hunt, or find him on easy outlets against LB's when the other defenders in coverage get run deep.

Abuse a cleared-out middle of the field with Kelce, or let him attack the seam vertically.

Go Chiefs.

Texas Tech Offense

 

[Irish#1]

Indy at #3 is 2200, should someone wish to move up to their spot since they are willing to move back.

Where are you hearing this? I've not read or heard anything that states they are serious about it other than the standard, "we'll listen to any offers".

 

[Rack Em]

Now that it's sunk in I like two of these trades and hate the third... we will see... I'm seeing rumors they either aren't done or tried for more... some big names floating around but who knows...

What are the odds that we see a combo of Chubb/Fitzpatrick/Barkley in the first round and Mason Rudolph in the 2nd round? I honestly think that's the best route to go:

1.1 - B Chubb
1.4 - Fitzpatrick
2.1 - Rudolph
2.3 - Guice/N Chubb/K Johnson/R Jones
2.33 - Best available DT (Tim Settle/Rasheem Green/Dashawn Hand) or Best available WR (Deon Cain/ESB/Marcell Ateman/James Washington)

They'd add another great DE, a solid DB in Fitzpatrick, a developmental QB who has experience slinging the ball, a 2-3 down RB, and a swing interior DL or a 3rd WR to go with Gordon and Landry.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

What are the odds that we see a combo of Chubb/Fitzpatrick/Barkley in the first round and Mason Rudolph in the 2nd round? I honestly think that's the best route to go:

1.1 - B Chubb
1.4 - Fitzpatrick
2.1 - Rudolph
2.3 - Guice/N Chubb/K Johnson/R Jones
2.33 - Best available DT (Tim Settle/Rasheem Green/Dashawn Hand) or Best available WR (Deon Cain/ESB/Marcell Ateman/James Washington)

They'd add another great DE, a solid DB in Fitzpatrick, a developmental QB who has experience slinging the ball, a 2-3 down RB, and a swing interior DL or a 3rd WR to go with Gordon and Landry.

I'd sign off on this.

 

[ACamp1900]

I love the idea of Chubb and Fitz together but man, at some point my Browns have got to get a franchise QB... for all the mess they get about never picking the right QB they usually are stuck going after someone who isn't their top choice. They have that now, part of me just says take the QB and be done with it.

I think they'll go QB and Fitz... I have thought this for a while now and am still there. I'm not saying he'd be my pick but my gut tells me it'll be Darnold.

In a perfect world they package Coleman (clear they are moving him anyway), a bunch of other picks while keeping ONE of the 2nds for a RB... move way up in the draft and have THREE top ten picks, get the QB, Fitz and Chubb...

 

[ACamp1900]

Sounds like Nate Solder is ours for the taking but we are waiting to see what Joe Thomas does... smfh.

This would be so Browns, Thomas retires like a day after Solder moves on because we slow played it. Just sign the man, if Thomas comes back then slide him to RT or whatever, JT is gone within a year anyway, seems clear to me.

 

[ACamp1900]

Vikings just signed Cousins.

 

[IrishLion]

If Cordy Glenn stays healthy, the Bengals fixed their LT position for the next three years, and to do so, all they had to do was move back 9 spots in Round 1, and they ALSO got an extra 5th rounder out of it.

Moving back in round 1 puts them in the perfect range to add the best guard available, or the best center available if they like him enough.

Then they take G/C in the 2nd round, and would have fixed their whole OL in a masterful stroke.

THAT is way out of the norm for Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis... season ticket sales must have been piss poor when deposits were due two weeks ago.

 

[Irish#1]

Vikings just singed Cousins.

Dshan will be all over you in 3, 2, 1.......

 

[ACamp1900]

Dshan will be all over you in 3, 2, 1.......

good catch... lol

 

[ACamp1900]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...ley-chubb-no-1-get-sam-darnold-with-4th-pick/

Back to back first overall picks to the same team, and with the same position... would be wild.

 

[Legacy]

Where are you hearing this? I've not read or heard anything that states they are serious about it other than the standard, "we'll listen to any offers".

It's been around for a while. Indy needs draft picks. From a Mock ACamp posted,
2018 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Bradley Chubb No. 1, get Sam Darnold with 4th pick

I have the Bills trading up with the Colts to the third spot to take Wyoming's Josh Allen, which would leave USC's Sam Darnold to the Browns in the fourth spot. The Bills would give up the 12th overall pick (which they got from the Bengals in the Cordy Glenn trade Monday, plus the 22nd overall pick (which they got from Kansas City last year), and a fifth-round pick to get to the third spot.

Makes sense to move back for the Colts, who may find value in positions of need later. Two first rounders. With four QBs taken before them, lots of first round talent goes later than it has should - third CB taken, and third DT taken in this mock. (With another QB taken before their 22nd).

Bills get the first QB taken. That's why they traded Glenn and Taylor - to move up for a QB, dump some cap, and Glenn having a bit of injury history. They could also focus on Solder.

Now if the Broncos sign Keenum and the Bills moving up, Oakland (10) is running out of trade partners Miami is #11. Only Arizona at 15. Picks 7-14 do not need a QB.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm sitting here like, "Got any more of them Browns trades or free agent news??"

 

[Luckylucci]

Haha, me too. I want some more action.

 

[ACamp1900]

Haha, me too. I want some more action.

I haven't been this into the NFL in my adult life... after 1-31...... apparently I'm a miserable person....

 

[IrishLion]

I haven't been this into the NFL in my adult life... after 1-31...... apparently I'm a miserable person....

IMO, Hue just needs decent... DECENT... quarterback play to turn the ship around. That's it. They'll go from 0 wins to 6+, easy.

Taylor might provide that, or the best QB available at 4 might provide that.

He's got more than enough in place at the other spots now to build an offense capable of creating opportunities. He's got two legit WR's (Gordon and Landry), and a third capable of some surprise gadget stuff (Coleman). He's got a decent all-around RB (Duke Johnson, Jr.), and will likely add a second useful piece at some point in the first four rounds. He's got an athletic pass-catcher at TE.

He has tools similar to what he had when he was making Cincy look formidable (and difficult to prepare for) on offense.

Gordon --> AJ Green
Landry --> Mo Sanu/Marvin Jones
Coleman --> Marvin Jones/Mo Sanu
Johnson Jr --> Gio Bernard
Njoku --> Eifert

The counterparts might be steps back in most instances (except WR2, where Cleveland probably has the advantage), but it's more than enough for Hue to create something nice if he gets serviceable QB play.

 

[ACamp1900]

IMO, Hue just needs decent... DECENT... quarterback play to turn the ship around. That's it. They'll go from 0 wins to 16+, easy.

fixed

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I love the idea of Chubb and Fitz together but man, at some point my Browns have got to get a franchise QB... for all the mess they get about never picking the right QB they usually are stuck going after someone who isn't their top choice. They have that now, part of me just says take the QB and be done with it.

I think they'll go QB and Fitz... I have thought this for a while now and am still there. I'm not saying he'd be my pick but my gut tells me it'll be Darnold.

In a perfect world they package Coleman (clear they are moving him anyway), a bunch of other picks while keeping ONE of the 2nds for a RB... move way up in the draft and have THREE top ten picks, get the QB, Fitz and Chubb...

I'd go in the other direction. Send Coleman off for an additional draft pick (even in next year's draft), then trade back. If you can still snag one of the top 3 QBs without deviating from other top picks, so be it. Otherwise, they'd be poised to make a run next year for a different QB and have loads of talent.

This is assuming they are as uncertain about the QBs as we are. Maybe they've fallen in love with a prospect and won't move without a king's ransom.

 

[Southside Sully]

IMO, Hue just needs decent... DECENT... quarterback play to turn the ship around. That's it. They'll go from 0 wins to 6+, easy.

Taylor might provide that, or the best QB available at 4 might provide that.

He's got more than enough in place at the other spots now to build an offense capable of creating opportunities. He's got two legit WR's (Gordon and Landry), and a third capable of some surprise gadget stuff (Coleman). He's got a decent all-around RB (Duke Johnson, Jr.), and will likely add a second useful piece at some point in the first four rounds. He's got an athletic pass-catcher at TE.

He has tools similar to what he had when he was making Cincy look formidable (and difficult to prepare for) on offense.

Gordon --> AJ Green
Landry --> Mo Sanu/Marvin Jones
Coleman --> Marvin Jones/Mo Sanu
Johnson Jr --> Gio Bernard
Njoku --> Eifert

The counterparts might be steps back in most instances (except WR2, where Cleveland probably has the advantage), but it's more than enough for Hue to create something nice if he gets serviceable QB play.

CLE Defense can be very good in the near future.

 

[Irish#1]

It's been around for a while. Indy needs draft picks. From a Mock ACamp posted,
2018 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Bradley Chubb No. 1, get Sam Darnold with 4th pick


Makes sense to move back for the Colts, who may find value in positions of need later. Two first rounders. With four QBs taken before them, lots of first round talent goes later than it has should - third CB taken, and third DT taken in this mock. (With another QB taken before their 22nd).

Bills get the first QB taken. That's why they traded Glenn and Taylor - to move up for a QB, dump some cap, and Glenn having a bit of injury history. They could also focus on Solder.

Now if the Broncos sign Keenum and the Bills moving up, Oakland (10) is running out of trade partners Miami is #11. Only Arizona at 15. Picks 7-14 do not need a QB.

Not doubting you, but there hasn't been any real talk about this locally, so I wonder how much is conjecture by the analyst given the Colts can use someone at DE, LB, RB, WR, CB, OL?

I said a while back if they could trade back 3-4 spots and pick up a 1st and 2nd rounder this year, I'd do it, but I'd still love it if they stood pat and took Q.

 

[ACamp1900]

Some chatter about the Bills trying to move up in into the top five... I'd assume Browns and Colts are to two top candidates.

 

[Luckylucci]

Some chatter about the Bills trying to move up in into the top five... I'd assume Browns and Colts are to two top candidates.

Seems like a forgone conclusion this is happening. It's the only reason they traded away the LT and 21st pick, which was to get #12. If I'm the Colts and I can get a favorable deal, I'd do it.

 

[GATTACA!]

What are the odds that we see a combo of Chubb/Fitzpatrick/Barkley in the first round and Mason Rudolph in the 2nd round? I honestly think that's the best route to go:

1.1 - B Chubb
1.4 - Fitzpatrick
2.1 - Rudolph
2.3 - Guice/N Chubb/K Johnson/R Jones
2.33 - Best available DT (Tim Settle/Rasheem Green/Dashawn Hand) or Best available WR (Deon Cain/ESB/Marcell Ateman/James Washington)

They'd add another great DE, a solid DB in Fitzpatrick, a developmental QB who has experience slinging the ball, a 2-3 down RB, and a swing interior DL or a 3rd WR to go with Gordon and Landry.

TAKE A QB AT #1!

Enough of these half measures. Trying to find diamonds in the rough. Weeden, Kessler, McCoy, Kizer, on and on and on. For once can we please just take the best QB in the draft? I'm so sick of hearing about upside. Oh if Kizer can fix his turnover problems, if Kessler can just improve him arm strength, Allen can be the guy you just need to improve his accuracy, Darnold will be a stud you just have to fix his mechanics!

Just take Rosen and be done with this bs.

 

[woolybug25]

TAKE A QB AT #1!

Enough of these half measures. Trying to find diamonds in the rough. Weeden, Kessler, McCoy, Kizer, on and on and on. For once can we please just take the best QB in the draft? I'm so sick of hearing about upside. Oh if Kizer can fix his turnover problems, if Kessler can just improve him arm strength, Allen can be the guy you just need to improve his accuracy, Darnold will be a stud you just have to fix his mechanics!

Just take Rosen and be done with this bs.

Y’all have had 28 different starting QBs since 1999 and y’all still think it’s because “you just haven’t found the right one yet”. Comical.

 

[NDRock]

Y’all have had 28 different starting QBs since 1999 and y’all still think it’s because “you just haven’t found the right one yet”. Comical.

I would think seeing the Eagles winning the Super Bowl with Foles might change the mindset that you need a future HOF QB. I’d go with loading up the roster and possibly trading down to some desperate team.

 

[IrishLion]

TAKE A QB AT #1!

...

Just take Rosen and be done with this bs.

Y’all have had 28 different starting QBs since 1999 and y’all still think it’s because “you just haven’t found the right one yet”. Comical.

It's also funny that you fall back to Rosen as the *correct* answer as to who the best QB is lol, as if it's a simple answer to a decades-long question.

It's a crapshoot between the top 4/5 guys, IMO.

They all have strengths that could mask their issues at the college level, but those issues could also be their undoing in the league. There's no such thing as a "sure thing" at QB in the NFL.

 

[ACamp1900]

Y’all have had 28 different starting QBs since 1999 and y’all still think it’s because “you just haven’t found the right one yet”. Comical.

Honestly, go through the list and show me how many of those would be considered successes elsewhere (I mean we are talking about a list highlighted by the likes of Brandon Weedon, Manziel, Sencea Wallace etc...) , or showed that they could actually play after their time in Cleveland... it's a SMALL list... not getting the right guy actually has a lot to do with it... are you going to say it's the drinking water or the uniform instead?? Because that's like the only things that have stayed constant otherwise.

 

[beryirish]

Honestly, go through the list and show me how many of those would be considered successes elsewhere (I mean we are talking about a list highlighted by the likes of Brandon Weedon, Manziel, Sencea Wallace etc...) , or showed that they could actually play after their time in Cleveland... it's a SMALL list... not getting the right guy actually has a lot to do with it... are you going to say it's the drinking water or the uniform instead?? Because that's like the only things that have stayed constant otherwise.

Loyal yet depressed and miserable fans i would throw in there too