2018 NFL Draft

[ACamp1900]

I can't gamble on Kizer being the future after what he showed last season. I' give him a shot. Hang onto him and maybe he can prove himself, but I'm not passing up on someone like Rosen based on the slim chance that Kizer puts it all together from the bench.

We have been trying something different. We haven't taken the top QB in the draft since Tim Couch. We keep trying to find a diamond in the rough in the 2nd or 3rd round and unsurprisingly they keep not working out. QB is by far the most important position in football. No player we could take at #1 is even close to what a true FQB is worth.

Sure, but if we take a QB high then no reason to go after any big FAs... one or the other would be a waste. Just let DK and the newb battle it out at that point. I still love the idea of getting the best vet out there and drafting defense.

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A scout on Quenton Nelson: "If this kid misses, then there's no such thing as can't-miss." <a href="https://t.co/QwiyEChXw7">https://t.co/QwiyEChXw7</a></p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/964525182529437696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Sherm Sticky]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A scout on Quenton Nelson: "If this kid misses, then there's no such thing as can't-miss." <a href="https://t.co/QwiyEChXw7">https://t.co/QwiyEChXw7</a></p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/964525182529437696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Lol...I mean he could have horrible luck and be consistently injured and have a career enduing injury. But I'll pray that is not the case.

 

[NDdomer2]

I can't gamble on Kizer being the future after what he showed last season. I' give him a shot. Hang onto him and maybe he can prove himself, but I'm not passing up on someone like Rosen based on the slim chance that Kizer puts it all together from the bench.

We have been trying something different. We haven't taken the top QB in the draft since Tim Couch. We keep trying to find a diamond in the rough in the 2nd or 3rd round and unsurprisingly they keep not working out. QB is by far the most important position in football. No player we could take at #1 is even close to what a true FQB is worth.

Sure, but if we take a QB high then no reason to go after any big FAs... one or the other would be a waste. Just let DK and the newb battle it out at that point. I still love the idea of getting the best vet out there and drafting defense.

how do you guys feel abou the jaguars recent model.

they drafted a qb and stuck with him, then just focused on their D for a few years. a couple big FA signings and the qb development comes around and they are in the AFC championship.

I guess my point is more, even if browns draft the right qb this year the team is so bad that it wont really do them any good for a few years.

Wouldnt you rather have a solid all around team but missing the qb than have a qb and no team? the browns have done nothing to show they can draft the right qb anyways.

 

[ACamp1900]

how do you guys feel abou the jaguars recent model.

they drafted a qb and stuck with him, then just focused on their D for a few years. a couple big FA signings and the qb development comes around and they are in the AFC championship.

I guess my point is more, even if browns draft the right qb this year the team is so bad that it wont really do them any good for a few years.

Wouldnt you rather have a solid all around team but missing the qb than have a qb and no team? the browns have done nothing to show they can draft the right qb anyways.

Hmm, I don't honestly think the team is so bad it won't matter... they need a secondary overhaul which they can do in one offseason with their current assets. They need a playmaker at RB, another WR and a QB.... with five picks in the first two rounds and all that cap space, if done right were looking at a very solid team next year.

But, taking your question at face value, I'm good with building up the defense first. Many teams have won Super Bowls without a stud QB, very few (I can honestly only think of one at the moment, that Colts team with Manning) has ever won a Super Bowl without a solid defense. And looking at it as a simple either/or... I'd much rather get Fitzpatrick and Chubb and roll with DK or a vet than draft a top QB and miss on both Chubb and Fitz...

 

[Irish#1]

I can't gamble on Kizer being the future after what he showed last season. I' give him a shot. Hang onto him and maybe he can prove himself, but I'm not passing up on someone like Rosen based on the slim chance that Kizer puts it all together from the bench.

We have been trying something different. We haven't taken the top QB in the draft since Tim Couch. We keep trying to find a diamond in the rough in the 2nd or 3rd round and unsurprisingly they keep not working out. QB is by far the most important position in football. No player we could take at #1 is even close to what a true FQB is worth.

What did you expect for a first season? Rookie QB's that come in and do great are rare. Kizer has the tools, he just needs seasoning. Giving up on him so quickly is just another poor decision by the Browns.

 

[ACamp1900]

What did you expect for a first season? Rookie QB's that come in and do great are rare. Kizer has the tools, he just needs seasoning. Giving up on him so quickly is just another poor decision by the Browns.

I get this,... here it is though.

The Browns get this, 'ruining QBs' rap that's bullshit by and large imo... they've simply drafted poorly, Weeden and JFF especially were terrible picks, those two weren't working ANYWHERE. Couch was good, but got hurt, many others were low risk guys they brought in in FA... with that said, they may have finally ruined a QB. What we did with DK, starting him week one, then benching him, the starting him, then benching him all through a winless season?? DK may still develop and he DID show flashes in a couple games last year,... but it think there's a good chance his confidence and ability upstairs may be shot already and that would be on the staff/organization.

 

[NDdomer2]

Hmm, I don't honestly think the team is so bad it won't matter... they need a secondary overhaul which they can do in one offseason with their current assets. They need a playmaker at RB, another WR and a QB.... with five picks in the first two rounds and all that cap space, if done right were looking at a very solid team next year.

But, taking your question at face value, I'm good with building up the defense first. Many teams have won Super Bowls without a stud QB, very few (I can honestly only think of one at the moment, that Colts team with Manning) has ever won a Super Bowl without a solid defense. And looking at it as a simple either/or... I'd much rather get Fitzpatrick and Chubb and roll with DK or a vet than draft a top QB and miss on both Chubb and Fitz...

We will have to agree to disagree on the first part. I personally have a hard time thinking a team with 1 win in two years is just 5 draft pick players away from being good.

But yes building defense is the way to go, imo, especially in a smaller market/franchise who struggles to attract top FA vets.

I know kizer struggled but was his rookie year any worse than bortles for comparison?

I get wanting to draft a QB at the top of draft, but like you stated in another post it's not about if they can develop or not it's if they can evaluate and draft the right guy, which haven't shown they can do.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think the offense and defensive backfields are needing a lot of work but they are average or better at o line, d front seven and passcatching weapons. I think they’re closer now than they’ve been in a long time as funny as that would sound to someone who maybe hasn’t watched and just sees the record. Sign Johnson, a good vet Qb, draft a good rb and add two top playmakers in the draft and yeah I think they can be a totally different team. Not saying that will all happen though

 

[Luckylucci]

Hmm, I don't honestly think the team is so bad it won't matter... they need a secondary overhaul which they can do in one offseason with their current assets. They need a playmaker at RB, another WR and a QB.... with five picks in the first two rounds and all that cap space, if done right were looking at a very solid team next year.

But, taking your question at face value, I'm good with building up the defense first. Many teams have won Super Bowls without a stud QB, very few (I can honestly only think of one at the moment, that Colts team with Manning) has ever won a Super Bowl without a solid defense. And looking at it as a simple either/or... I'd much rather get Fitzpatrick and Chubb and roll with DK or a vet than draft a top QB and miss on both Chubb and Fitz...

I'd be all in on this.

 

[IrishLax]

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland...-Foles-only-worth-4th5th-round-pick-115084162

Okay, if it's only a fourth or fifth rounder and an extension... jump all over that in a heartbeat like TODAY, RIGHT NOW. Have DK learn behind him and draft defense (Fitzpatrick and Chubb??) in the first round and offense (WR and RB) in the second... sign Johnson at DB and anyone else that makes sense in FA.

I would take that haul and be super happy with it, it'd be a different team.

I mean, this is obviously BS. Foles is worth a LOT more than that, right?

Plus, the quoted scout got the deal wrong for Alex Smith... it wasn't for a 3rd round pick. It was for a 3rd round pick AND KENDALL FULLER who is considered one the best up-and-coming DBs in the NFL. Fuller was worth a 2nd round pick by himself... so Alex Smith actually went for a 2nd + a 3rd.

Nick Foles, if traded, will get the Eagles at least a 3rd round pick. At least.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think the offense and defensive backfields are needing a lot of work but they are average or better at o line, d front seven and passcatching weapons. I think they’re closer now than they’ve been in a long time as funny as that would sound to someone who maybe hasn’t watched and just sees the record. Sign Johnson, a good vet Qb, draft a good rb and add two top playmakers in the draft and yeah I think they can be a totally different team. Not saying that will all happen though

its hard to watch a team that isnt on tv too often ya know?

I did catch a few games and overall I'd agree they do have some pieces. But whats a totally different team? .500?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

its hard to watch a team that isnt on tv too often ya know?

I did catch a few games and overall I'd agree they do have some pieces. But whats a totally different team? .500?

No. Totally different is vying for the playoffs. They could legitimately do that in this draft/FA. They just need someone competent enough to put it together.

You don't have to incrementally win games to become better. They are missing the Lynchpin right now.

 

[NDdomer2]

No. Totally different is vying for the playoffs. They could legitimately do that in this draft/FA. They just need someone competent enough to put it together.

You don't have to incrementally win games to become better. They are missing the Lynchpin right now.

would you call +8 in wins incremental?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

would you call +8 in wins incremental?

No I wouldn't but I don't think it's Cleveland's ceiling. I think they are a lot closer to being a quality team than people think.

 

[Legacy]

WR - Draft or Free Agency

WR - Draft or Free Agency

With Jarvis Landry receiving Miami's franchise tag ($16 million estimated this year), teams chances of filling their WR needs through FA are getting slimmer.

Who's left?
Sammy Watkins (39 catches for 593 yards and eight touchdowns for the Rams in '17, 65 passes for 982 yards and six touchdowns. The following season in 2015, Watkins had 60 receptions for 1,047 yards and nine touchdowns..
Allen Robinson (great 2015 season with 80 catches for 1,400 yards, 14 TDs, Torn ACL in '17)
Marquise Lee (hamstring issues, 56 rec for 702 yds in '17, ranked 47th in receptions in '17)
Paul Richardson (only real production was in '17, 44 catches, 703 yds, 45th in receptions)
Cameron Meredith (out '17, torn ACL and MCL)
Eric Decker (age 31, 54 catches for 563 yards in '17)
Jordan Matthews (had knee and ankle surgeries in '17; 225 passes for 2,673 yards and 19 touchdowns in first three seasons)
Mike Wallace (age 32, 72 catches for 1,017 yards in 2016 and 52 receptions for 748 yards last year)
Donte Moncrief (26 passes for 391 yards in 2017. In 2015, he had 64 receptions for 733 when Luck was healthy)

For the Draft, the teams whose highest priority for a WR include:
Chicago - pick #8
San Francisco - #10
Washington - #13
Baltimore - #16
Carolina - #24

Other teams looking for a WR in the second or third rounds include:
Cleveland
LA Chargers
KC
Dallas (especially if Dez Bryant is a cap casualty)
Seattle
Denver

So, any of these may see their draft status improve, including ESB:
2018 NFL Draft Prospects: Wide Receivers
NFL Draft Tracker, Wide Receivers

 

[ACamp1900]

We were considered one of the heavy favs for Landry:

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[Legacy]

Ranking the OT prospects for the 2018 NFL Draft (PFF)

1. MIKE MCGLINCHEY, NOTRE DAME
McGlinchey’s three-year sample of grading is about as good as we’ve seen since we started grading college players and easily tops in this class. The fact that he’s done it at both left and right tackle makes it that much easier a projection to the next level. He’s far from a perfect prospect, but he does so many things well that he’s ascended to the top of this class.

 

[SonofOahu]

We were considered one of the heavy favs for Landry:

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My favorite episode of South Park, ever!

 

[ND NYC]

Ranking the OT prospects for the 2018 NFL Draft (PFF)

would love if somehow he fell to the giants with 2nd pick in round 2...

 

[ACamp1900]

would love if somehow he fell to the giants with 2nd pick in round 2...

Something crazy would have to happen for anything close to that to happen (Anything is possible though I suppose)... if the Giants want him they'll almost certainly have to take him at 2 or make some sort of trade to better position themselves in the top ten.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

would love if somehow he fell to the giants with 2nd pick in round 2...

Lol. And I'm sure Patriots fans hope Minkah Fitzpatrick will still be on the board at their first pick...

 

[ACamp1900]

Most rumors today have the Browns going Barkley 1 and Mayfield 4... I'd expect that to change as we get closer to the draft but I wouldn't hate that... I do wish they could get Fitz or one of the better DBs though... If the Browns do go RB/QB they'd better make some kind of splash in FA in terms of DBs...

I will say this, this is the most Browns thing ever... a RB rich draft and the Browns get almost forced to take one at #1.......

 

[ACamp1900]

If I'm GM and the draft were today I'd shop that number one pick for anyone willing to overpay for Barkley or the top QB... then go defense first round (Chubb and Fitz) and offense second round (RB and WR/OL)...

If I had to pick first I'd sell Cousins on playing with Gordon, Njoku and Barkley behind one of the better O lines in football and I'd pay the man his money, and then hopefully still get Fitz at 4.

 

[ACamp1900]

Earnest Byner is all in on Barkley at one... I'll add a side, I really appreciate Byner, the man was a great player who is cursed with a legacy marred by one legendary miscue. He's owned it, he's taken his lumps, he's returned to Cleveland many times and it's clear to me this guy wants to see a Super Bowl trophy in Cleveland as bad as we do. I'd also say it's clear he's still haunted by it.

I was always a Kevin Mack guy but Byner wins more of my heart every year. Seems like a very down to earth and genuine guy. We need to win a Super Bowl in part for him so he can finally let it to rest.

 

[ND NYC]

Lol. And I'm sure Patriots fans hope Minkah Fitzpatrick will still be on the board at their first pick...

article was about mcglinchey...not nelson.

big mike isn't a lock for round 1 from what ive read.

 

[Legacy]

A few of the players solidly projected in the first round may drop after the Combine.

Maurice Hurst, DI, did not clear medical due to an irregular heartbeat and will have further testing.

Orlando Brown, OT, has a historically bad bench press - 14 reps.

Billy Price, C, left due to a partially torn pec suffered during the bench press.

A thin OT class, with most more suitable to RT, got thinner at least for first round talent. McGlinchey or Williams are the two best LOTs. Five QBs will probably be taken in the first round. (Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson). Reportedly, Cousins is down to four teams - Arizona, Denver, Minn, NYJ - but Arizona and Denver don't have the cap space that Minn and NYJ have. Barkeley is too good to pass up at #1. Cleveland and Buffalo may have to draft their QBs in the first as well as the three that lose out in the Cousins sweepstakes, and probably the NY Giants. Cleveland drafts OT, CB with the first two second round picks, then LB/DI/S with their third second round pick and first third rounder.

 

[Irish#1]

article was about mcglinchey...not nelson.

big mike isn't a lock for round 1 from what ive read.

How did Mike do at the combine?

I'm hearing Browns/Barkley as well at #1, with the Colts taking Chubb at #3 if available. I'd still rather have Q at #3. Luck can't win games on his back all the time.

 

[ACamp1900]

If Cousins takes less money to 'win' with the Jets he's plenty stupid and the Jets can have him... I wouldn't begrudge him taking less money to go the Minnesota but gtfo with the Jets.. they aren't in some much better place all things considered.

 

[RDU Irish]

If I were the Browns I would be scheming for a way to get Barkley and Chubb. I don't care what you have on DL - getting after opposing QBs is so important you make room for him and draft other needs later. They have so many damn picks I would focus on elite talent #1 with those two lottery selections. By not taking QB, I think they increase the value of their picks - people will be desperate for "their" QB and will move up for them - leaving Browns with the TWO very best non-QB players in the draft.